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Crazy Eddie said:
They treat black people the way Israelis treat Palestinians and then act all surprised when black people start shooting at them from sniper nests...

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Why does this have to be about race? The cops in this instance could probably have handled it differently. Hindsight is always 20/20. But cops are people like the rest of us and at times will screw up like the rest of us. Why isn't this just a screw up? The tale of the wrong-identity arrest is hardly limited to black people.

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/47601144-story

http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/for-second-time-this-year-wrong-person-arrested-ep-449777035-327134221.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/front-range/denver/man-wrongfully-arrested-jailed-for-12-days-in-denver-nears-88530-settlement-with-city

This psychotic obsession to keep pushing the narrative that everything must be due to race - but only if the presumed victim is black - is incredibly divisive.
 
Trausti said:
Crazy Eddie said:
They treat black people the way Israelis treat Palestinians and then act all surprised when black people start shooting at them from sniper nests...

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Why does this have to be about race? The cops in this instance could probably have handled it differently.
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Why is it always "could"? Shouldn't it be "should"?
Hindsight is always 20/20.
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Being respectful shouldn't require hindsight. The officers I have interacted with have been respectable, but it was always from me to them and them to me. This isn't a one-way street.
But cops are people like the rest of us and at times will screw up like the rest of us. Why isn't this just a screw up?
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Because it involved electricity.

If I walked up to you and we get into an argument and I taser you, I don't think you are going to say "Meh... it was just a mistake."
 
Trausti said:
Crazy Eddie said:
They treat black people the way Israelis treat Palestinians and then act all surprised when black people start shooting at them from sniper nests...

:thinking:
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Why does this have to be about race? The cops in this instance could probably have handled it differently. Hindsight is always 20/20. But cops are people like the rest of us and at times will screw up like the rest of us. Why isn't this just a screw up? The tale of the wrong-identity arrest is hardly limited to black people.

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/47601144-story

http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/for-second-time-this-year-wrong-person-arrested-ep-449777035-327134221.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/front-range/denver/man-wrongfully-arrested-jailed-for-12-days-in-denver-nears-88530-settlement-with-city

This psychotic obsession to keep pushing the narrative that everything must be due to race - but only if the presumed victim is black - is incredibly divisive.
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They tased him for no reason. That could have killed him. Not a mistake.
 
Lets get something straight. Do you like being cut off in traffic? No, probably don't. Do you like it when someone cuts in front of you in a line? Probably not. Does it make you angry if someone takes credit for your effort at work? Most likely.

Now just imagine being pumped with electricity, tens of thousands of volts, after doing nothing that could be considered remotely dangerous.

I mean, imagine, you are having a bad day, get pulled over and all of a sudden, you are getting electrocuted over something minute infraction after saying something that on a good day you wouldn't have said. And then you get arrested and charged with a bogus charge. Then you are responsible for hundreds of dollars of fees and fines. And you have no recourse. Assaulted, hundreds of dollars poorer, and labeled a "gangster".

I mean, just imagine for second. Step out of your fucking bubble and just think about it for one fucking second.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Lets get something straight. Do you like being cut off in traffic? No, probably don't. Do you like it when someone cuts in front of you in a line? Probably not. Does it make you angry if someone takes credit for your effort at work? Most likely.

Now just imagine being pumped with electricity, tens of thousands of volts, after doing nothing that could be considered remotely dangerous.

I mean, imagine, you are having a bad day, get pulled over and all of a sudden, you are getting electrocuted over something minute infraction after saying something that on a good day you wouldn't have said. And then you get arrested and charged with a bogus charge. Then you are responsible for hundreds of dollars of fees and fines. And you have no recourse. Assaulted, hundreds of dollars poorer, and labeled a "gangster".

I mean, just imagine for second. Step out of your fucking bubble and just think about it for one fucking second.
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Ah, the old, "I was just having a bad day" defense. Works every time. Wish all those rapists and serial killers didn't know about that awesome, bullet-proof defense. Imagine actually being able to prosecute them for a change, instead of having to acquiesce to their "bad day".

So this person had just gotten back from his mandatory PROBATION OFFICER visit. I guess he was just having a bad day when he originally got himself in trouble.
 
Malintent said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Lets get something straight. Do you like being cut off in traffic? No, probably don't. Do you like it when someone cuts in front of you in a line? Probably not. Does it make you angry if someone takes credit for your effort at work? Most likely.

Now just imagine being pumped with electricity, tens of thousands of volts, after doing nothing that could be considered remotely dangerous.

I mean, imagine, you are having a bad day, get pulled over and all of a sudden, you are getting electrocuted over something minute infraction after saying something that on a good day you wouldn't have said. And then you get arrested and charged with a bogus charge. Then you are responsible for hundreds of dollars of fees and fines. And you have no recourse. Assaulted, hundreds of dollars poorer, and labeled a "gangster".

I mean, just imagine for second. Step out of your fucking bubble and just think about it for one fucking second.
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Ah, the old, "I was just having a bad day" defense. Works every time. Wish all those rapists and serial killers didn't know about that awesome, bullet-proof defense.
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Incredible! So now being a jerk has been juxtapositioned with being a "gangster", "rapist", and "serial killer".

Today on Keeping Perspective, we're just going to lose our minds and let hyperbole be our guide!
 
Malintent said:
Linked Article said:
The video released by the defense attorney was edited and omits significant portions wherein a relative asks the individual to be cooperative. The relative on the video also suggests the arrestee is similar in appearance to the wanted person, who purportedly lived at that residence. The edited video also omits other calm interactions the officers had with relatives and the arrestee.
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the OP is dishonest. The suspect was tazed for resisting arrest. By law (varies by state) one is not required to carry ID around with them just to prove your identity. If you are operating a vehicle, you DO. If a police officer asks for it, and you don't have it, or refuse to show it, you are breaking the law. If you act like a gangster, instead of a participating and productive member of society, then you get treated like a gangster.
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If that were true, CEOs CFOs and COOs would be doing perp walks all the time.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Malintent said:
Ah, the old, "I was just having a bad day" defense. Works every time. Wish all those rapists and serial killers didn't know about that awesome, bullet-proof defense.
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Incredible! So now being a jerk has been juxtapositioned with being a "gangster", "rapist", and "serial killer".

Today on Keeping Perspective, we're just going to lose our minds and let hyperbole be our guide!
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I'm sorry, our legal system is a bit more complex than that. you see, in America, we have these laws that (try to) prevent this type of discrimination. One group of people cannot have separate laws applied to them than another group.
It would be wrong to have different penalties for obstruction of justice and resisting arrest for jerks and non-jerks.

Is "Jerk" your code word for "Thug", by the way? Pretty sneaky of you, that.

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Malintent said:
the OP is dishonest. The suspect was tazed for resisting arrest. By law (varies by state) one is not required to carry ID around with them just to prove your identity. If you are operating a vehicle, you DO. If a police officer asks for it, and you don't have it, or refuse to show it, you are breaking the law. If you act like a gangster, instead of a participating and productive member of society, then you get treated like a gangster.
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If that were true, CEOs CFOs and COOs would be doing perp walks all the time.
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.. because they operate vehicles without ID? huh?
 
Trausti said:
Why does this have to be about race? The cops in this instance could probably have handled it differently. Hindsight is always 20/20. But cops are people like the rest of us and at times will screw up like the rest of us. Why isn't this just a screw up? The tale of the wrong-identity arrest is hardly limited to black people.

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/47601144-story

http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/for-second-time-this-year-wrong-person-arrested-ep-449777035-327134221.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/front-range/denver/man-wrongfully-arrested-jailed-for-12-days-in-denver-nears-88530-settlement-with-city

This psychotic obsession to keep pushing the narrative that everything must be due to race - but only if the presumed victim is black - is incredibly divisive.
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1. The police in the opening post had his identity and arrested him anyway.

2. The examples you give are not directly analogous. Great examples of police error and assholery but not the same way.
#1 Guy arrested for murder was incorrectly fingered by some other people in the apartment complex that thought "frankie" lived in his apartment.
#2 Clerical error generated an erroneous warrant for the person that was wrongly arrested. Opening post had no warrant and was arrested anyway.
#3 Another clerical error. Another erroneous warrant. Police actually arrested the person they thought was wanted. Again not the case in the opening post.

Pretending that police in the opening post were acting properly is divisive. Certain subset of people will always defend police in a situation like that if the person abused was black. That tends to make it appear that race is an issue.
 
Malintent said:
you see, in America, we have these laws that (try to) prevent this type of discrimination. One group of people cannot have separate laws applied to them than another group.
It would be wrong to have different penalties for obstruction of justice and resisting arrest for jerks and non-jerks.
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That's just it.

This guy obstructed nothing and got arrested anyway.

Meanwhile people higher up the food chain can be far more mouthy to police without getting tazed and arrested.


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scombrid said:
Trausti said:
Why does this have to be about race? The cops in this instance could probably have handled it differently. Hindsight is always 20/20. But cops are people like the rest of us and at times will screw up like the rest of us. Why isn't this just a screw up? The tale of the wrong-identity arrest is hardly limited to black people.

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/47601144-story

http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/for-second-time-this-year-wrong-person-arrested-ep-449777035-327134221.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/front-range/denver/man-wrongfully-arrested-jailed-for-12-days-in-denver-nears-88530-settlement-with-city

This psychotic obsession to keep pushing the narrative that everything must be due to race - but only if the presumed victim is black - is incredibly divisive.
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1. The police in the opening post had his identity and arrested him anyway.

2. The examples you give are not directly analogous. Great examples of police error and assholery but not the same way.
#1 Guy arrested for murder was incorrectly fingered by some other people in the apartment complex that thought "frankie" lived in his apartment.
#2 Clerical error generated an erroneous warrant for the person that was wrongly arrested. Opening post had no warrant and was arrested anyway.
#3 Another clerical error. Another erroneous warrant. Police actually arrested the person they thought was wanted. Again not the case in the opening post.

Pretending that police in the opening post were acting properly is divisive. Certain subset of people will always defend police in a situation like that if the person abused was black. That tends to make it appear that race is an issue.
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I didn't "pretend" that they were acting properly. I wrote that it may be a screw up. My post didn't judge the police conduct one way or the other. It's the obsession with race that I think is divisive. Police screw up. Everyone screws up. And nothing has been presented that this probable screw up was because of race. I only cited the first few examples from the google. Are we to assume that every screw up between a non-white officer and and white person is also because of race?
 
I type "refuse ID" into youtube and get a very large number of hits on videos of "patriots" and other civil libertarians fighting the man by refusing to show ID. They aren't generally getting tazed and arrested.
 
Trausti said:
I didn't "pretend" that they were acting properly.
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I specific a "certain subset of people". I didn't feel like writing separate responses to our resident cop apologists.

And nothing has been presented that this probable screw up was because of race.
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Cops there may treat everybody like that. But then it really reminded my of the town where I grew up in southern Virginia where black people knew that they best not go out at night and better keep their heads down.

I only cited the first few examples from the google.
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And they weren't directly analogous. Police were actually incorrectly seeking the people that they arrested in those cases.

Are we to assume that every screw up between a non-white officer and and white person is also because of race?
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I'm not assuming that every screw up between law enforcement and black people is race based. But, I'm also not going to ignore the history of police having the Loren mindset. I grew up with it. I bet the police in Savannah GA have a history like that. I still have plenty of acquaintances that automatically label someone as in the opening post a "thug" that got what he deserved. You should see the chain email they pass around. I personally know one cop that has the "they're all guilty of something" mindset and is just itching for them to "give him a reason".

I'm not saying that this case was racism. Nobody can prove the negative that it is not. But based on the pattern of arrests, black people in certain neighborhoods seem to get arrested and harassed for minor stuff at a higher rate than non-blacks.
 
Trausti said:
Was "the man" executing a warrant?
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Did "the man" in the opening post ever ask for ID to verify whether or not he was executing the warrant on the correct person?

Now why did the cop just assume and escalate that situation on someone that was not showing aggression before he had even attempted to ascertain whether or not he had his guy?
 
scombrid said:
Trausti said:
Was "the man" executing a warrant?
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Did "the man" in the opening post ever ask for ID to verify whether or not he was executing the warrant on the correct person?

Now why did the cop just assume and escalate that situation on someone that was not showing aggression before he had even attempted to ascertain whether or not he had his guy?
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Don't know. Probably fucked up. Cops do that. They're human, too. Any organization of humans will suffer from human screw ups. It's unavoidable.
 
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