"They want to start WWIII"

[Axulus]

Immediately after the Biden administration authorized Ukraine to use medium and long range weapons against Russia, the right wing media immediately started propagating Krelin talking points that the military industrial complex gave the order so that WWIII would begin.

Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, Piers Morgan, Jordan Peterson, just to name a few, stated screaming from the high heavens the same talking points.

I am really astounded how successful Putin's narrative has become. He has completely captured our right wing media. All he has to say is "BOO! Nuclear weapons!" and the right wing pussies start shitting their pants and crying about how scared they are that we poked Pootey a little bit too hard and how the world is going to descend into nuclear holocaust as a result. Why can't we just let Pootey do what he wants? We absolutely cannot risk nuclear war over it.

What a sad sack of pathetic cowards. If anything can be said about Putin and the KGB, is that they are brilliant at psychological warfare, and they played the stupid US public like a fiddle. Might be a good idea to start learning Russian.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Yes, WWIII can only occur if Putin starts it by launching nukes, and it matters little what the alleged provocation or excuse world be. He will do it only if he perceives an advantage for him personally. However, there is no such advantage so its all bluffing from him, because unlike these MAGA morons he does have some rationality.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Well, Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, Piers Morgan, Jordan Peterson, and a few others are likely all the information they have on the subject. It's a moot point. Ukraine is running out of armed forces to defend their territory. Much of who's left are who would just as soon live like cowed Russians, with their mouths shut and their heads cast down. So the situation in Ukraine is about as far away from nuclear war as it's ever been. Putin has the human meat to take what he wants of Eastern Ukraine. He can then stop, call it a victory, regroup and prepare to violate whatever useless treaty might be put in place whenever the next milquetoast liberal is in the White House. This was totally on Biden's watch. He owns this. He was too timid and he failed. But not before hundreds of thousands of brave Ukrainians fought and died with one hand tied behind their backs. When we needed a leader, we got a liberal. Now we'll have an asshole. One just as fragile, self-centered, and of poor character as Russia's. Putin won't take a swipe at Trump's ego.
What could be in it for Trump? Ukrainian forces are depleted to the point that the east is likely gone. All the weapons promised to Ukraine can continue to flow along with continued US support for what is left of Ukraine in exchange for this territorial loss. It would seem to me, at this point, Zelensky loses nothing, nothing he isn't already going to lose. What he could gain is the ability to rebuild his armed forces faster than Russia might and with superior equipment. I don't see Trump rolling over for Putin. Not now, all things considered. The undeniable fact is Putin has shown how weak Russia actually is and has made it substantially weaker in the process. Trump must realize he has the strong hand to play. What Putin might gain at Ukraine's expense he has lost so much more on the international stage. If Rusia could have been considered a world power before their invasion of Ukraine, they surely cannot be so now.

And Trump alone will fix this.
And liberals can continue to focus on the really important issues.

 

[RVonse]

Immediately after the Biden administration authorized Ukraine to use medium and long range weapons against Russia, the right wing media immediately started propagating Krelin talking points that the military industrial complex gave the order so that WWIII would begin.

If I heard and understood right wing arguments correctly, they claim the US is pre-preemptively shooting medium and long range weapons against Russia, everyone has to know this because these missiles can not be fired (for technology reasons) by anyone except US personal. The US firing missiles into Russia is a de-facto declaration of war even though Congress has not approved it yet. Putin has countered by launching his nuclear capable mid range missile, proving to the world it can not be shot down and having a normal range to all of Europe. If any or all of what I just wrote is not correct please tell us which parts of it are not. Because 2 nuclear powers at hot war with each other is a reasonable justification for shitting your pants right now if you care about your own life. The cold war we had in the past was bad enough due to Dr. Stangelove mistakes. But hot war is another matter since front line personal are much less likely to correct technology failures which always happen.

But if Biden doesn't succeed blowing all of us up, I do see this as helping Trump with his negotiations. Because both sides should be eager to settle this if they want to stay alive.

 

[bilby]

these missiles can not be fired (for technology reasons) by anyone except US personal.

What a load of crap.

This is beyond stupid. There is nothing Americans can do that a Ukrainian can't learn to do in three fucking years.

There is no technology that can only be operated by Americans.

How could anyone be dumb enough to actually think, much less say, something so obviously absurd?

 

[RVonse]

these missiles can not be fired (for technology reasons) by anyone except US personal.

What a load of crap.

This is beyond stupid. There is nothing Americans can do that a Ukrainian can't learn to do in three fucking years.

There is no technology that can only be operated by Americans.

How could anyone be dumb enough to actually think, much less say, something so obviously absurd?

We don't allow the satellite codes to operate these missles to anyone but ourselves.

 

[SLD]

It’s Russia that’s trying to start WWIII.

Europe is under attack from Russia. Why isn’t it fighting back?

Western countries have shied away from reacting to Kremlin acts of sabotage and terror.

www.politico.eu

Not just cutting undersea cables, but trying to assassinate senior arms manufacturers, and bombing planes. Such things are acts of war and Europe has got to stand up for itself. The U.S. won’t under Trump. The so called America First policy is really going to put Russia and China first and the U.S. a distant third rate power.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Immediately after the Biden administration authorized Ukraine to use medium and long range weapons against Russia, the right wing media immediately started propagating Krelin talking points that the military industrial complex gave the order so that WWIII would begin.

If I heard and understood right wing arguments correctly, they claim the US is pre-preemptively shooting medium and long range weapons against Russia, everyone has to know this because these missiles can not be fired (for technology reasons) by anyone except US personal. The US firing missiles into Russia is a de-facto declaration of war even though Congress has not approved it yet.

Congress approved the funding.

Putin has countered by launching his nuclear capable mid range missile, proving to the world it can not be shot down and having a normal range to all of Europe.

Except when watching the video, it seems to derive its damage from kinematic rather than explosive means.

If any or all of what I just wrote is not correct please tell us which parts of it are not.

That hasn't helped up to this point.

Because 2 nuclear powers at hot war with each other is a reasonable justification for shitting your pants right now if you care about your own life.

1) The US and Europe are much further from Russia than Ukraine.
2) The US knew this was coming, either via intelligence or we were told as I believe is required by treaty or the general idea that Russia doesn't want the US launching ICBMs because Russia is using ballistic missiles without warning.
3) The missiles appear to be fast. The missiles didn't appear to be too harmful.
4) Putin would need to be in a scorched Earth state of mind to launch a nuclear weapon.

The cold war we had in the past was bad enough due to Dr. Stangelove mistakes. But hot war is another matter since front line personal are much less likely to correct technology failures which always happen.

Those mistakes (Failsafe, Dr. Strangelove) were fictional. There are a great deal of fail safes between Russia and the US aimed at resolving misunderstandings ruining the world.

But if Biden doesn't succeed blowing all of us up, I do see this as helping Trump with his negotiations. Because both sides should be eager to settle this if they want to stay alive.

Russia can stop their illegal incursion into Ukraine any time they want! Of course, Trump will love to abandon Ukraine, like we did the Syrian Kurds, for Putin's favor. Overall, I find it amazing that Russia is trying to shock and awe The West, when they need North Koreans to support them in an attempt to overtake a country with a shitty military.

 

[laughing dog]

Immediately after the Biden administration authorized Ukraine to use medium and long range weapons against Russia, the right wing media immediately started propagating Krelin talking points that the military industrial complex gave the order so that WWIII would begin.

If I heard and understood right wing arguments correctly, they claim the US is pre-preemptively shooting medium and long range weapons against Russia, everyone has to know this because these missiles can not be fired (for technology reasons) by anyone except US personal.

Is there any direct evidence to support such ridiculous claims? I ask, because even Russia is not making that claim.

IMO, it is traitorous to lie (i.e. know they are false ) about such matters.

 

[laughing dog]

The idea that the side that reacts to an attack is STARTING a war is insane.

 

[barbos]

Is Piers Morgan the same sack of shit who had been peddling "Putin bad, Ukraine good" garbage?
So, no you don't get to call him, cause he has been and still is your guy.

 

[barbos]

Except when watching the video, it seems to derive its damage from kinematic rather than explosive means.

It was a test, however, it must be said that at Mach 10 kinetic energy is 2x of a typical HE warhead of the same mass, so......

 

[barbos]

This is beyond stupid. There is nothing Americans can do that a Ukrainian can't learn to do in three fucking years.

Yes, ukrainians can push a button, After american satellites take a picture, american analysts select a target, american personal program an american and classified missile. Button sure, some nazi can push a button,

 

[Axulus]

What is going to happen is nearly every country is going to start is own nuclear weapons program. If the US won't step in then the only way these countries have any chance to defend themselves is massive nuclear armaments. Ukraine is finding out the hard way how leathal it is to give up control of nukes. Dozens of countries, some under theocratic control, some unstable. More North Koreas. Yeah, that will really keep America safe.

 

[barbos]

The reason why piece of shit in the White House (or rather his handlers) does what he does, is becasue they know that Putin is not what your propaganda says. They know that he is very rational and would not start nuking left and right.
That's why they do all that crazy shit.

 

[barbos]

What is going to happen is nearly every country is going to start is own nuclear weapons program. If the US won't step in then the only way these countries have any chance to defend themselves is massive nuclear armaments. Ukraine is finding out the hard way how leathal it is to give up control of nukes. Dozens of countries, some under theocratic control, some unstable. Yeah, that will really keep America safe.

You have only yourself to blame for this.

 

[Axulus]

The idea that the side that reacts to an attack is STARTING a war is insane.

The mentality is you better not punch a bully because he might get really really mad and pull out a knife and stab you.

 

[Axulus]

What is going to happen is nearly every country is going to start is own nuclear weapons program. If the US won't step in then the only way these countries have any chance to defend themselves is massive nuclear armaments. Ukraine is finding out the hard way how leathal it is to give up control of nukes. Dozens of countries, some under theocratic control, some unstable. Yeah, that will really keep America safe.

You have only yourself to blame for this.

Correct, the jellyfish in congress did not respond forcefully enough to the invasion of Crimea, and every other Russian invasion that has happened in the past couple of decades.

 

[barbos]

3) The missiles appear to be fast.

No shit Sherlock.

The missiles didn't appear to be too harmful.

LOL, OK. but they are pretty effective.

 

[barbos]

What is going to happen is nearly every country is going to start is own nuclear weapons program. If the US won't step in then the only way these countries have any chance to defend themselves is massive nuclear armaments. Ukraine is finding out the hard way how leathal it is to give up control of nukes. Dozens of countries, some under theocratic control, some unstable. Yeah, that will really keep America safe.

You have only yourself to blame for this.

Correct, the jellyfish in congress did not respond forcefully enough to the invasion of Crimea, and every other Russian invasion that has happened in the past couple of decades.

What do you mean? They did exactly what they planned.
It's just did not work..... at all.

If you ask me it was Putin who did not respond forcefully to US nazi revolt in Kiev. He should have squashed them like bugs immediately, instead of waiting 8 years