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What do you believe the world will look like if Putin wins and the US loses? Will your life be poorer or less free? Will you still be alive if Putin wins?
Fuck me you are so ignorant. If Putin wins in Ukraine he will be in charge of 10% of the entire world's wheat and grain exports.

You claim (wrongly) to be middle class. You claim to be (wrongly) for the working man. You claim to be (wrongly) supporting US farmers. I'm assuming you don't understand commerce so you don't understand how much influence a single person with 10% of a basic supply has.

As we learned a few weeks ago, a whole lot of "working class" and "middle class" people came down on the side of "fuck the farmers, I'm voting for the billionaire and his billionaire buddies!"

Putin is a billionaire without all those pesky "guardrails" that a functioning democracy has, so he's even more appealing to the "why yes sir, I'll lick your boots if I can own the libs" crowd.

It is only a matter of time before these folks find out the hard way that Trump, Musk, and Vlad don't give a flying fuck about them.
 
The reason why piece of shit in the White House (or rather his handlers) does what he does, is becasue they know that Putin is not what your propaganda says. They know that he is very rational

You're a full grown adult and you believe this? Damn son.
Yes, and it is not only my opinion.
In fact if you you watch your own propaganda garbage carefully you will notice that they are of the same opinion.
Your old Shitster in the White House expressed the same opinion.
Bullies always hate people that stand up to them the most.
Yes, assholes in Washington are bullies
 
The reason why piece of shit in the White House (or rather his handlers) does what he does, is becasue they know that Putin is not what your propaganda says. They know that he is very rational

You're a full grown adult and you believe this? Damn son.
Yes, and it is not only my opinion.
In fact if you you watch your own propaganda garbage carefully you will notice that they are of the same opinion.
Your old Shitster in the White House expressed the same opinion.
Bullies always hate people that stand up to them the most.
Yes, assholes in Washington are bullies
Only in Washington and nowhere else? Seems awfully convenient.
 
I am really astounded how successful Putin's narrative has become. He has completely captured our right wing media.
What do you believe the world will look like if Putin wins and the US loses? Will your life be poorer or less free? Will you still be alive if Putin wins?

Do you honestly think Putin cares about you and wants your life to be better? Do you think he's trying to storm across Ukraine, annex the former Soviet Republics and conquer Poland to make your life easier?

Because it seems like you're saying "yes, I absolutely want Putin to re-establish a sort of Russian Empire." How does that help you?
You just repeated utter shit your corporate propaganda feeds you.
 
The reason why piece of shit in the White House (or rather his handlers) does what he does, is becasue they know that Putin is not what your propaganda says. They know that he is very rational

You're a full grown adult and you believe this? Damn son.
Yes, and it is not only my opinion.
In fact if you you watch your own propaganda garbage carefully you will notice that they are of the same opinion.
Your old Shitster in the White House expressed the same opinion.
Bullies always hate people that stand up to them the most.
Yes, assholes in Washington are bullies
Only in Washington and nowhere else? Seems awfully convenient.
Washington is the Hegemon, global hegemon.
Russia is tiny and nobody even Baltic States is scared of us.
 
The reason why piece of shit in the White House (or rather his handlers) does what he does, is becasue they know that Putin is not what your propaganda says. They know that he is very rational

You're a full grown adult and you believe this? Damn son.
Yes, and it is not only my opinion.
In fact if you you watch your own propaganda garbage carefully you will notice that they are of the same opinion.
Your old Shitster in the White House expressed the same opinion.
Bullies always hate people that stand up to them the most.
Yes, assholes in Washington are bullies
Only in Washington and nowhere else? Seems awfully convenient.
Washington is the Hegemon, global hegemon.
Russia is tiny
What's the opposite of delusions of grandeur?
 
The reason why piece of shit in the White House (or rather his handlers) does what he does, is becasue they know that Putin is not what your propaganda says. They know that he is very rational

You're a full grown adult and you believe this? Damn son.
Yes, and it is not only my opinion.
In fact if you you watch your own propaganda garbage carefully you will notice that they are of the same opinion.
Your old Shitster in the White House expressed the same opinion.
Bullies always hate people that stand up to them the most.
Yes, assholes in Washington are bullies
Only in Washington and nowhere else? Seems awfully convenient.
Washington is the Hegemon, global hegemon.
Russia is tiny
What's the opposite of delusions of grandeur?
Ask Baltic States.
 
Virtually all news that we see in the media was created by one of three agencies – Associated Press, Reuters, and, to a lesser degree, AFP.
All three companies are owned by the same parent companies, who, in turn, own most of the Western corporatist structure, and, not surprisingly, the reports that they distribute to the media are boilerplate.
What right wing nut job told you that? Have you fallen for the "they are all owned by the Rothschilds" bullshit? Is this going to be another case of you believing some right wing blowhard then coming here without fact checking and spreading the bullshit and making a fool of yourself AGAIN?

The Associated Press (AP) is owned by its American newspaper and broadcast members:
  • Ownership
    The AP is a not-for-profit news cooperative that is owned by its American newspaper and broadcast members.
  • Funding
    The AP's main source of funding is revenue from licensing its content across formats, including digital.
Reuters is a news agency owned by Thomson Reuters. It employs around 2,500 journalists and 600 photojournalists in about 200 locations worldwide writing in 16 languages. Reuters is one of the largest and most trusted news agencies in the world.

I don't even know what you mean by AFP. Are you referring to the French news agency? Alpha-fetoprotein?

Really, I'm curious. Who told you this?

Although there are many news agencies around the world, three global news agencies, Agence France-Presse (AFP), the Associated Press (AP), and Reuters have offices in most countries of the world, cover all areas of media, and provide the majority of international news printed by the world's newspapers.
 
Virtually all news that we see in the media was created by one of three agencies – Associated Press, Reuters, and, to a lesser degree, AFP.
All three companies are owned by the same parent companies, who, in turn, own most of the Western corporatist structure, and, not surprisingly, the reports that they distribute to the media are boilerplate.
What right wing nut job told you that? Have you fallen for the "they are all owned by the Rothschilds" bullshit? Is this going to be another case of you believing some right wing blowhard then coming here without fact checking and spreading the bullshit and making a fool of yourself AGAIN?

The Associated Press (AP) is owned by its American newspaper and broadcast members:
  • Ownership
    The AP is a not-for-profit news cooperative that is owned by its American newspaper and broadcast members.
  • Funding
    The AP's main source of funding is revenue from licensing its content across formats, including digital.
Reuters is a news agency owned by Thomson Reuters. It employs around 2,500 journalists and 600 photojournalists in about 200 locations worldwide writing in 16 languages. Reuters is one of the largest and most trusted news agencies in the world.

I don't even know what you mean by AFP. Are you referring to the French news agency? Alpha-fetoprotein?

Really, I'm curious. Who told you this?

Although there are many news agencies around the world, three global news agencies, Agence France-Presse (AFP), the Associated Press (AP), and Reuters have offices in most countries of the world, cover all areas of media, and provide the majority of international news printed by the world's newspapers.
That does not address your claim that all 3 are owned by the same parent company. Nor does “majority of news” support your claim of “virtually all”.
 
Guys like our friend RV are often led astray by the immutable fact no news outlet can have people in every place where news happens. They get news from each others’ people in the field, in the interest of (making money by) keeping people informed. It creates the appearance of collusion if you don’t understand, or if someone you believe has lied to you about it, but it’s the only way to do it.
 
What do you believe the world will look like if Putin wins and the US loses? Will your life be poorer or less free? Will you still be alive if Putin wins?
Fuck me you are so ignorant. If Putin wins in Ukraine he will be in charge of 10% of the entire world's wheat and grain exports.

You claim (wrongly) to be middle class. You claim to be (wrongly) for the working man. You claim to be (wrongly) supporting US farmers. I'm assuming you don't understand commerce so you don't understand how much influence a single person with 10% of a basic supply has.

As we learned a few weeks ago, a whole lot of "working class" and "middle class" people came down on the side of "fuck the farmers, I'm voting for the billionaire and his billionaire buddies!"

Putin is a billionaire without all those pesky "guardrails" that a functioning democracy has, so he's even more appealing to the "why yes sir, I'll lick your boots if I can own the libs" crowd.

It is only a matter of time before these folks find out the hard way that Trump, Musk, and Vlad don't give a flying fuck about them.


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Although there are many news agencies around the world, three global news agencies, Agence France-Presse (AFP), the Associated Press (AP), and Reuters have offices in most countries of the world, cover all areas of media, and provide the majority of international news printed by the world's newspapers.

You quote Tucker Carlson when he was working for Rupert fucking Murdoch.
 
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Washington is the Hegemon, global hegemon.
Russia is tiny and nobody even Baltic States is scared of us.

I ignore most of the barbos disinformation, but this goes too far even by barbos' standards. First note that Russia has 5,580 nuclear warheads (plenty in the air, plenty on land and plenty underwater), the largest stockpile in the world. Before the Soviet fall, both superpowers were led, in effect, by rational committees but with the superpowers now led by fascist narcissists the threat of nuclear war has never been more dire. The one "saving grace" is that Trump has been happy to play Putin's stooge and is likely to acquiesce to Putin's demands rather than provoke a holocaust.

Russia has a small economy as Great Powers go; and its military strength is so doubtful it needed help from North Korea. But Putin's willingness to act maliciously, and his threat of a nuclear first strike makes him a dominant power. With little opposition he took de facto control of Syria, and is also implicitly allied with Iran. China, whatever its long-range plans, has been happy to assist Putin's present adventures. The recent cable severings in the Baltic Sea were probably directed by Russia, using a China-flagged ship as cover.

There is no doubt that Putin has deliberately sown political chaos in America and elsewhere; infiltrated extremist groups on both the left and the right; peddled disinformation; subverted elections; conducted assassinations; etc. Russia is a leader in computer hacking, and developing and deploying malware. With Trump appointing the Putin-friendly Gabbard as DNI Russia's stranglehold on U.S. networks will worsen.

In the past two decades, dictatorships have replaced democracies all around the world, and even the still-intact democracies are seeing fascist movements rise. Some of this was caused by Putin; all of it helps his goals.

And Putin is propagandizing his own people, terrorizing them with worries about nuclear war. Is he still staging nationwide drills in which schoolchildren don gas-masks?

But barbos is correct on one count: The Western democracies in general and the U.S. most specifically have become complacent, enthralled by sillinesses, and continue to ignore the dire threats posed by Putin and his evil regime.
 
I am really astounded how successful Putin's narrative has become. He has completely captured our right wing media.
What do you believe the world will look like if Putin wins and the US loses? Will your life be poorer or less free? Will you still be alive if Putin wins?
Ukraine doesn't want Russia. They've made this clear. So what is your problem with Ukraine getting help from being invaded?

Virtually all news that we see in the media was created by one of three agencies – Associated Press, Reuters, and, to a lesser degree, AFP.
All three companies are owned by the same parent companies, who, in turn, own most of the Western corporatist structure, and, not surprisingly, the reports that they distribute to the media are boilerplate. Do you think it is possible that many in the US have already been captured by our main stream media in any way? Or is it just Putin and the right wing media that holds the official narrative?
Talking narratives? Ukrainians have had every opportunity to turn on their leadership, and they haven't. With the Russian troops at their back, it'd be easy to overthrow the capitol. They haven't. What other narrative do you need? We saw in Afghanistan, what it looks like when the locals don't want to fight for the current government or have no hope in a battle against the enemy. We haven't seen that in Ukraine.

I find it bizarre how a person is so worried about tyranny in America, and seems to have fallen for the Putin brand of tyranny.
 
I find it bizarre how a person is so worried about tyranny in America, and seems to have fallen for the Putin brand of tyranny.
That’s why people who didn’t see through it when Cheato was screaming “no puppet! no puppet! You’re the puppet!!” are called trumpSUCKERS.
They are easily taken in by a conman, and lack the discrimination to know a liar when one fleeces them.
 
Will you still be alive if Putin wins


Your last question is truly pointless.
What you view as pointless is in evolutionary standards the top and highest priority for all life that has ever existed on earth. To wit, will we survive to see tomorrow and if not what do we have to do? What bear or lion needs to be killed so that we will survive and be able to reproduce?

In the case of Russia, we saw a bear that was coexisting pretty well with us until Biden started kicking the shit out of him. So why are we required to risk our lives killing this bear when leaving him alone worked in the past? Must we risk all our lives for the profits of the MIC?
 
In the case of Russia, we saw a bear that was coexisting pretty well with us until Biden started kicking the shit out of him.
Even by barbos' Russian view, Zelensky came into power when Trump was in office. When did Biden start kicking "the bear"?
So why are we required to risk our lives killing this bear when leaving him alone worked in the past?
Before or after the bear has killed thousands of civilians?
Must we risk all our lives for the profits of the MIC?
We aren't risking our lives. The people at risk live in Ukraine. They are the ones suffering. Clearly they think it is worth it.
 
these missiles can not be fired (for technology reasons) by anyone except US personal.
What a load of crap.

This is beyond stupid. There is nothing Americans can do that a Ukrainian can't learn to do in three fucking years.

There is no technology that can only be operated by Americans.

How could anyone be dumb enough to actually think, much less say, something so obviously absurd?
We don't allow the satellite codes to operate these missles to anyone but ourselves.
What satellite codes would even be needed? The only thing I can think of is the military GPS signals, but civilian GPS isn't that far behind military. Military GPS was more about denying it to the enemy (we can degrade civilian GPS while leaving military GPS intact) than about being better. The difference between them is civilian GPS relies on a signal from the satellite giving the upper atmosphere weather, military GPS uses two separate signals and can compute it's own propagation delays without relying on what the satellites say. (Fundamentally: lightspeed in the atmosphere is not the same as lightspeed in a vacuum. The more air the signal passes through the later it arrives. A very small effect--but enough to throw your fix off. The military version uses a second frequency that will be delayed differently and from the timing difference it can figure out what the atmosphere is doing to the signal.)

Nor can I imagine personnel on the ground having the encryption keys. That's just asking for them to be compromised. The keys are no doubt baked into whatever uses them, designed so they will be destroyed if you try to take apart the electronics holding them.
 
The cold war we had in the past was bad enough due to Dr. Stangelove mistakes. But hot war is another matter since front line personal are much less likely to correct technology failures which always happen.
Those mistakes (Failsafe, Dr. Strangelove) were fictional. There are a great deal of fail safes between Russia and the US aimed at resolving misunderstandings ruining the world.
And note that in the real world the false detection incidents have been on the Russian side. There have been two: 1980s, high altitude clouds over the US missile fields. The clouds were in sunlight while the ground was after sunset--they were just clouds, they weren't going anywhere and if the Russian systems had been decent they would have seen the sources weren't moving. And the Norwegian rocket, real scientific bird, the Russian radars couldn't figure out it was heading for the pole, nor could they figure out it came from a civilian launch complex on an island. All they could see it something flying in the general area of Russia with a burn that looked like a US sub-launched ballistic missile. (Which is what it started life as. The missile had been retired, the booster was used for scientific purposes.)

We have had our own issues but they were purely internal mistakes.
 
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