This Day in History, December 1

[AthenaAwakened]

He called her a "thug" and mentioned that she should have been shot by police. What else could he have been meaning Athena than to make a connection with the discussion over the BLM movement?
Neither one of you are fooling anyone.

he could have referencing the habit of racial bigots who know they can no longer use the word nigger with impunity to now using the word thug as a substitute.

but you already knew that. you just had to slip your new favorite whipping boy into the conversation.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Of course this was nothing to do with preaching the word of Christ She simply didn't want to be regarded as a lesser person than anyone else. This marked a clear turning point in US history.

I have no problem with Rosa Parks or the genuine civil rights, although Keith&Co has a good point above. I was responding to ksen and his ridiculous attempt to somehow equate her with those embraced by the #BLM movement who are rightly being called thugs.

The BLM has drawn some criticism from Black Civil Rights movements

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-black-lives-matter-20151030-story.html

Longtime L.A. civil rights leaders dismayed by in-your-face tactics of new crop of activists

“With Black Lives Matter being a new organization with young activists, they don't have the experience or discipline to be more effective advocates.
- Najee Ali, director of Project Islamic Hope

 

[Ford]

Thug.

Not a thug.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I have no problem with Rosa Parks or the genuine civil rights, although Keith&Co has a good point above. I was responding to ksen and his ridiculous attempt to somehow equate her with those embraced by the #BLM movement who are rightly being called thugs.

The BLM has drawn some criticism from Black Civil Rights movements

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-black-lives-matter-20151030-story.html

Longtime L.A. civil rights leaders dismayed by in-your-face tactics of new crop of activists

“With Black Lives Matter being a new organization with young activists, they don't have the experience or discipline to be more effective advocates.
- Najee Ali, director of Project Islamic Hope

That sounds like a boring slogan for a t-shirt. This Najee Ali character doesn't sound like he'd be all that effective a civil rights leader in the Twitter era.

It's a good thing for his legacy that he's already dead and doesn't need to worry about it.

 

[JonA]

Thug.

Police would have been within their rights to shoot her.

How do you figure?

 

[arkirk]

The BLM has drawn some criticism from Black Civil Rights movements

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-black-lives-matter-20151030-story.html

Longtime L.A. civil rights leaders dismayed by in-your-face tactics of new crop of activists

“With Black Lives Matter being a new organization with young activists, they don't have the experience or discipline to be more effective advocates.
- Najee Ali, director of Project Islamic Hope

That sounds like a boring slogan for a t-shirt. This Najee Ali character doesn't sound like he'd be all that effective a civil rights leader in the Twitter era.

It's a good thing for his legacy that he's already dead and doesn't need to worry about it.

I don't find anything even slightly confusing about the statement: "Black Lives Matter." It is only the mind that is squirming trying to avoid this fact that has trouble with it.

 

[untermensche]

While Rosa Parks was a lovely woman she was nothing without the many many people who prepared the way for her and the many people who helped carry what she did to a victory.

She was a symbol used by others, not a revolutionary or a person of great accomplishment.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Thug.

Police would have been within their rights to shoot her.

How do you figure?

She's black.
She was quite clearly breaking the law.
She disobeyed lawful orders to move out of that seat.
She was armed with a bus and could have beaten the driver's face against the floor until serious damage was inflicted.

 

[laughing dog]

How do you figure?

She's black.
She was quite clearly breaking the law.
She disobeyed lawful orders to move out of that seat.
She was armed with a bus and could have beaten the driver's face against the floor until serious damage was inflicted.

And she violated the law to get what she wanted. And she did in front of lots of witnesses. She obviously lived the "thug" lifestyle.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Leftie drivel

Civil rights is only a left issue? History is only a left issue?

Apparently yes, to some. Makes me proud to be a lefty.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

While Rosa Parks was a lovely woman she was nothing without the many many people who prepared the way for her and the many people who helped carry what she did to a victory.

She was a symbol used by others, not a revolutionary or a person of great accomplishment.

That's not quite true.

Parks was a long-time member of the Montgomery chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), which she joined in 1943. At the time of her arrest, she was a secretary of the local NAACP chapter, and the previous summer she had attended a workshop for social and economic justice at Tennessee’s Highlander Folk School. Her political activism continued through the boycott and the rest of her life.

...

In 1943, Blake had ejected Parks from his bus after she refused to re-enter the vehicle through the back door after paying her fare at the front. “I never wanted to be on that man’s bus again,” she wrote in her autobiography. “After that, I made a point of looking at who was driving the bus before I got on. I didn’t want any more run-ins with that mean one.”

...

Parks was on the executive board of directors of the group organizing the Montgomery Bus Boycott, and she worked for a short time as a dispatcher, arranging carpool rides for boycotters. On February 21, 1956, a grand jury handed down indictments against Parks and dozens of others for violating a state law against organized boycotting. She and 114 others were arrested, and The New York Times ran a front-page photograph of Parks being fingerprinted by police.

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To say she was not a revolutionary nor a person of great accomplishment makes me have to ask, what would she have had to do to be either one?

 

[Derec]

he could have referencing the habit of racial bigots who know they can no longer use the word nigger with impunity to now using the word thug as a substitute.

As far as I can see, it is only lefties like ksen who are using it in that fashion.

 

[untermensche]

That's not quite true.

To say she was not a revolutionary nor a person of great accomplishment makes me have to ask, what would she have had to do to be either one?

She did more than most.

But she really represents many others. She represents an entire movement.

That is change occurs. Through the work of many. No individual can change much.

To focus on individuals has human appeal but it is a distortion of how history is actually made.

 

[ksen]

he could have referencing the habit of racial bigots who know they can no longer use the word nigger with impunity to now using the word thug as a substitute.

As far as I can see, it is only lefties like ksen who are using it in that fashion.

man, that was one of my best posts ever

10/10

 

[laughing dog]

he could have referencing the habit of racial bigots who know they can no longer use the word nigger with impunity to now using the word thug as a substitute.

As far as I can see, it is only lefties like ksen who are using it in that fashion.

That reflects much more on your power of observation and self-reflection than on ksen's.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Thug.
Police would have been within their rights to shoot her.

I get your point. There is no difference between Rosa Parks and such civil rights heroes as Michael "Spreading the Word of Jesus Christ" Brown

Michael Brown had robbed a store of cigars and was initially tangled with an officer because of jaywalking. He is dead now.

Nicholas Thomas panicked, though did not do a single thing that caused any harm to a single officer. He is dead now.

Vonderritt Myers seemed guilty of trying to kill an officer. He is dead now.

Jamar Clark allegedly interfered with first aid treatment, possibly assault girlfriend. He is dead now.

Robert Dear Lewis murdered three people. Taken alive.

James Holmes killed a dozen people. Taken alive.

Dylann Roof killed nine people. Taken alive.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That's not quite true.

Parks was a long-time member of the Montgomery chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), which she joined in 1943. At the time of her arrest, she was a secretary of the local NAACP chapter, and the previous summer she had attended a workshop for social and economic justice at Tennessee’s Highlander Folk School. Her political activism continued through the boycott and the rest of her life.

...

In 1943, Blake had ejected Parks from his bus after she refused to re-enter the vehicle through the back door after paying her fare at the front. “I never wanted to be on that man’s bus again,” she wrote in her autobiography. “After that, I made a point of looking at who was driving the bus before I got on. I didn’t want any more run-ins with that mean one.”

...

Parks was on the executive board of directors of the group organizing the Montgomery Bus Boycott, and she worked for a short time as a dispatcher, arranging carpool rides for boycotters. On February 21, 1956, a grand jury handed down indictments against Parks and dozens of others for violating a state law against organized boycotting. She and 114 others were arrested, and The New York Times ran a front-page photograph of Parks being fingerprinted by police.

...

To say she was not a revolutionary nor a person of great accomplishment makes me have to ask, what would she have had to do to be either one?

Yeah, Parks wasn't quite the single act fellow. She was involved in the process for quite a while. Indeed, the Civil Rights movement included sacrifices and effort from a boatload of people, some who had their lives taken from them, but Parks wasn't a one trick pony. She had a decent sized stable.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

he could have referencing the habit of racial bigots who know they can no longer use the word nigger with impunity to now using the word thug as a substitute.

As far as I can see,

Which isn't that far.

it is only lefties like ksen who are using it in that fashion.

Consider me and most "lefties" like ksen.

You guys do know we can see what you type, right? And we have been seeing your writing now for years.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

he could have referencing the habit of racial bigots who know they can no longer use the word nigger with impunity to now using the word thug as a substitute.

As far as I can see, it is only lefties like ksen who are using it in that fashion.

Seriously? I mean seriously? While you certainly wouldn't consider Parks a "thug", it seems to be the word of choice to justify the pre-trial execution of blacks suspects.

We have seen several mass murderers taken into custody, but in other cases people guilty of fringe crimes, or no crime at all!, eventually caught in a set of actions that led to their deaths (some involving violence, some involving no violent act whatsoever). But the response is that they were "thugs". What about the mass murderers? How is that people who are guilty of having committed a grave crime seem detainable, yet another subset of suspects who have committed fringe crimes or crimes of relatively lower priority are too dangerous to detain?

It would seem that the officers in the mass murder cases are treating the situation in a much different manner than the smaller cases, not being vigilant or even careful. Yet oddly enough, the suspect is the one who pays the price for the lack of safety provisions undertaken by the officer. But instead of addressing this, you say "Meh, thugs."

 

[JonA]

I get your point. There is no difference between Rosa Parks and such civil rights heroes as Michael "Spreading the Word of Jesus Christ" Brown

Michael Brown had robbed a store of cigars and was initially tangled with an officer because of jaywalking. He is dead now.

Nicholas Thomas panicked, though did not do a single thing that caused any harm to a single officer. He is dead now.

Vonderritt Myers seemed guilty of trying to kill an officer. He is dead now.

Jamar Clark allegedly interfered with first aid treatment, possibly assault girlfriend. He is dead now.

Robert Dear Lewis murdered three people. Taken alive.

James Holmes killed a dozen people. Taken alive.

Dylann Roof killed nine people. Taken alive.

We could post cherry-picked examples all day; not sure what good it would do.