This Virus Has Shown How Important Corporations Are To The People

[Half-Life]

as explained elsewhere in this thread.
SOME of the rich bastards at the top are using their personal funds to keep the company afloat.
Some are granting big severance packages.
Who owns Hobby Lobby, and wgat are they worth?
And have they EVER read anything Jesus said about how to treat the poor? we have a discrete approach to the problem, here.
I, the atheist, think the people are more important than the corporate returns to investors.
You, the alleged Xian, value wealth more than workers. you mean, they obey the law? Weird. the supermarkets here are bending over backwards to keep everyone employed.
Hobby ket tgem go without two weeks notice. So, like, fuck corporate. but thry DO have the money. That's the whole point.

Stay open with the money you can't afford to pay rent to stay open!" doesn't sound too smart, does it?

no, but it does sound humble, generous, empathetic...you know, what i was told Christains should be, back when i was one.

Keith,

Jesus was for charity for the poor. He was not for stealing from the rich and giving it to the poor.

That is the stuff churches and billionaires do: donate to charity for poor people. Jesus never said, "If you find a rich man, steal money from them and give it to the poor people."

Ok, so now you get around to being at least somewhat clear with the below addition:

The taxes thing has been done to death.

Well, the quotes associated with Jesus and the NT don't say tons of things. The NT doesn't ever envision a world in which Christians are in charge of a government, nor does it envision anything that could be called democracy. Jesus also never said, "Let the rich horde their riches and live better than kings of lore". Jesus never said taking care of the poor should be done thru charity instead of by the government. Jesus also never said, "Apes read philosophy, they just don't understand it."... Corporation's share of federal taxes paid, are at historical lows as well.


https://endhomelessness.org/ending-homelessness/policy/federal-funding-homelessness-programs/

HUD’s McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Grants program received $2.777 billion in fiscal year (FY) 2020.

https://www.nmhc.org/news/nmhc-news/hud-budget-increased-for-fiscal-year-2020/

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), will have $49.1 billion in resources for the Fiscal Year (FY) 2020 – an increase of $4.9 billion above the FY 2019 level.

Even at $50 billion assuming all HUD money goes to housing your 'poor' category, it would still only represent 1.04% of the $4.79 trillion budget. What do you think your Jesus would think of America's trillion dollar war machine?

What little you might pay in, would hardly be paying the Federal bills (even ignoring the ongoing crisis), as the spending is roughly $15,000 per person.

Have you ever spent time with a homeless person, or a person getting that 'free' housing you are whining about? Have you had lunch with such a person? Have you ever been part of a social event with such a person? Have you ever learned enough about such an individual to know at least some of their story? Your Jesus would do that. I have done that...

Obviously, there are some homeless people who just had a bad break, but they will bounce back.

But, you can't tell me with a straight face that Skid Row in Los Angeles are just people "a little down on their luck." No, those people have purely given up. They don't even throw their garbage in a dumpster somewhere. They just leave it in the streets. When you don't even have a job and you still can't even find the time to throw your garbage out in a nearby dumpster, you're not trying your hardest for a normal life. It tells you all you need to know about their mentality.

And we've all seen homeless people hanging outside a liquor store begging people for money so they can get their 40oz liquor.

Why not hang out by an unemployment office and ask the workers for help finding a job? Because a lot of them just don't care.

 

[Patooka]

Obviously, there are some homeless people who just had a bad break, but they will bounce back.

But, you can't tell me with a straight face that Skid Row in Los Angeles are just people "a little down on their luck." No, those people have purely given up. They don't even throw their garbage in a dumpster somewhere. They just leave it in the streets. When you don't even have a job and you still can't even find the time to throw your garbage out in a nearby dumpster, you're not trying your hardest for a normal life. It tells you all you need to know about their mentality.

And we've all seen homeless people hanging outside a liquor store begging people for money so they can get their 40oz liquor.

Why not hang out by an unemployment office and ask the workers for help finding a job? Because a lot of them just don't care.

So all the homeless and working poor can go and get fucked because of skid row and your anecdotal evidence. Got it. But corporations deserve government welfare because they exploit their employees to support the most non productive component of any economy; shareholders.

 

[Half-Life]

Obviously, there are some homeless people who just had a bad break, but they will bounce back.

But, you can't tell me with a straight face that Skid Row in Los Angeles are just people "a little down on their luck." No, those people have purely given up. They don't even throw their garbage in a dumpster somewhere. They just leave it in the streets. When you don't even have a job and you still can't even find the time to throw your garbage out in a nearby dumpster, you're not trying your hardest for a normal life. It tells you all you need to know about their mentality.

And we've all seen homeless people hanging outside a liquor store begging people for money so they can get their 40oz liquor.

Why not hang out by an unemployment office and ask the workers for help finding a job? Because a lot of them just don't care.

So all the homeless and working poor can go and get fucked because of skid row and your anecdotal evidence. Got it. But corporations deserve government welfare because they exploit their employees to support the most non productive component of any economy; shareholders.

Shareholders put money into the company and keep it afloat.

You're saying if you give someone $10,000 to start a company and you get a return on your investment every month, that is bad? So you just want to donate your $10,000 for free and get nothing back?

Any person can buy shares of stock in a company. The problem is the poor people want to spend their money on movies, dining out, drugs, booze, cigarettes etc instead of investing.

 

[Patooka]

Obviously, there are some homeless people who just had a bad break, but they will bounce back.

But, you can't tell me with a straight face that Skid Row in Los Angeles are just people "a little down on their luck." No, those people have purely given up. They don't even throw their garbage in a dumpster somewhere. They just leave it in the streets. When you don't even have a job and you still can't even find the time to throw your garbage out in a nearby dumpster, you're not trying your hardest for a normal life. It tells you all you need to know about their mentality.

And we've all seen homeless people hanging outside a liquor store begging people for money so they can get their 40oz liquor.

Why not hang out by an unemployment office and ask the workers for help finding a job? Because a lot of them just don't care.

So all the homeless and working poor can go and get fucked because of skid row and your anecdotal evidence. Got it. But corporations deserve government welfare because they exploit their employees to support the most non productive component of any economy; shareholders.

Shareholders put money into the company and keep it afloat.

You're saying if you give someone $10,000 to start a company and you get a return on your investment every month, that is bad? So you just want to donate your $10,000 for free and get nothing back?

Right now, at this moment, I am currently employed (but on ice), a share holder and a student. I am at my most productive driving a forklift and least productive fucking about waiting for my dividends from Wesfarmers, Telstra and Orica. It's pretty clear your fine with worker exploitation to placate people who gave a one time contribution to a company, I tend to disagree. I also don't think it is a sustainable business model, but I only have history to justify my assertions, not far right fantasies.

 

[funinspace]

as explained elsewhere in this thread.
SOME of the rich bastards at the top are using their personal funds to keep the company afloat.
Some are granting big severance packages.
Who owns Hobby Lobby, and wgat are they worth?
And have they EVER read anything Jesus said about how to treat the poor? we have a discrete approach to the problem, here.
I, the atheist, think the people are more important than the corporate returns to investors.
You, the alleged Xian, value wealth more than workers. you mean, they obey the law? Weird. the supermarkets here are bending over backwards to keep everyone employed.
Hobby ket tgem go without two weeks notice. So, like, fuck corporate. but thry DO have the money. That's the whole point. no, but it does sound humble, generous, empathetic...you know, what i was told Christains should be, back when i was one.

Keith,

Jesus was for charity for the poor. He was not for stealing from the rich and giving it to the poor.

That is the stuff churches and billionaires do: donate to charity for poor people. Jesus never said, "If you find a rich man, steal money from them and give it to the poor people."

Ok, so now you get around to being at least somewhat clear with the below addition:

The taxes thing has been done to death.

Well, the quotes associated with Jesus and the NT don't say tons of things. The NT doesn't ever envision a world in which Christians are in charge of a government, nor does it envision anything that could be called democracy. Jesus also never said, "Let the rich horde their riches and live better than kings of lore". Jesus never said taking care of the poor should be done thru charity instead of by the government. Jesus also never said, "Apes read philosophy, they just don't understand it."... Corporation's share of federal taxes paid, are at historical lows as well.


https://endhomelessness.org/ending-homelessness/policy/federal-funding-homelessness-programs/

HUD’s McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Grants program received $2.777 billion in fiscal year (FY) 2020.

https://www.nmhc.org/news/nmhc-news/hud-budget-increased-for-fiscal-year-2020/

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), will have $49.1 billion in resources for the Fiscal Year (FY) 2020 – an increase of $4.9 billion above the FY 2019 level.

Even at $50 billion assuming all HUD money goes to housing your 'poor' category, it would still only represent 1.04% of the $4.79 trillion budget. What do you think your Jesus would think of America's trillion dollar war machine?

What little you might pay in, would hardly be paying the Federal bills (even ignoring the ongoing crisis), as the spending is roughly $15,000 per person.

Have you ever spent time with a homeless person, or a person getting that 'free' housing you are whining about? Have you had lunch with such a person? Have you ever been part of a social event with such a person? Have you ever learned enough about such an individual to know at least some of their story? Your Jesus would do that. I have done that...

Obviously, there are some homeless people who just had a bad break, but they will bounce back.

But, you can't tell me with a straight face that Skid Row in Los Angeles are just people "a little down on their luck." No, those people have purely given up. They don't even throw their garbage in a dumpster somewhere. They just leave it in the streets. When you don't even have a job and you still can't even find the time to throw your garbage out in a nearby dumpster, you're not trying your hardest for a normal life. It tells you all you need to know about their mentality.

And we've all seen homeless people hanging outside a liquor store begging people for money so they can get their 40oz liquor.

Why not hang out by an unemployment office and ask the workers for help finding a job? Because a lot of them just don't care.

I'll repeat my question:
Have you ever spent time with a homeless person, or a person getting that 'free' housing you are whining about? Have you had lunch with such a person? Have you ever been part of a social event with such a person? Have you ever learned enough about such an individual to know at least some of their story? Your Jesus would do that. I have done that...

And if life has given you shit and lemons, what is so, so, so wrong with 40oz of liquor? Have you never done that?

Besides, you really aren't giving big bucks to these 'lazy' people, but you are giving big bucks to the military-complex.... Maybe you should spend a little more time reading Jesus' words...

FWIW, I have lots of money in these companies that you seem so concerned about, and have probably lost more in the last 6 weeks than you will earn in the next year or 2...

 

[Half-Life]

Keith,

Jesus was for charity for the poor. He was not for stealing from the rich and giving it to the poor.

That is the stuff churches and billionaires do: donate to charity for poor people. Jesus never said, "If you find a rich man, steal money from them and give it to the poor people."

Ok, so now you get around to being at least somewhat clear with the below addition:

The taxes thing has been done to death.

Well, the quotes associated with Jesus and the NT don't say tons of things. The NT doesn't ever envision a world in which Christians are in charge of a government, nor does it envision anything that could be called democracy. Jesus also never said, "Let the rich horde their riches and live better than kings of lore". Jesus never said taking care of the poor should be done thru charity instead of by the government. Jesus also never said, "Apes read philosophy, they just don't understand it."... Corporation's share of federal taxes paid, are at historical lows as well.


https://endhomelessness.org/ending-homelessness/policy/federal-funding-homelessness-programs/

HUD’s McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Grants program received $2.777 billion in fiscal year (FY) 2020.

https://www.nmhc.org/news/nmhc-news/hud-budget-increased-for-fiscal-year-2020/

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), will have $49.1 billion in resources for the Fiscal Year (FY) 2020 – an increase of $4.9 billion above the FY 2019 level.

Even at $50 billion assuming all HUD money goes to housing your 'poor' category, it would still only represent 1.04% of the $4.79 trillion budget. What do you think your Jesus would think of America's trillion dollar war machine?

What little you might pay in, would hardly be paying the Federal bills (even ignoring the ongoing crisis), as the spending is roughly $15,000 per person.

Have you ever spent time with a homeless person, or a person getting that 'free' housing you are whining about? Have you had lunch with such a person? Have you ever been part of a social event with such a person? Have you ever learned enough about such an individual to know at least some of their story? Your Jesus would do that. I have done that...

Obviously, there are some homeless people who just had a bad break, but they will bounce back.

But, you can't tell me with a straight face that Skid Row in Los Angeles are just people "a little down on their luck." No, those people have purely given up. They don't even throw their garbage in a dumpster somewhere. They just leave it in the streets. When you don't even have a job and you still can't even find the time to throw your garbage out in a nearby dumpster, you're not trying your hardest for a normal life. It tells you all you need to know about their mentality.

And we've all seen homeless people hanging outside a liquor store begging people for money so they can get their 40oz liquor.

Why not hang out by an unemployment office and ask the workers for help finding a job? Because a lot of them just don't care.

I'll repeat my question:
Have you ever spent time with a homeless person, or a person getting that 'free' housing you are whining about? Have you had lunch with such a person? Have you ever been part of a social event with such a person? Have you ever learned enough about such an individual to know at least some of their story? Your Jesus would do that. I have done that...

And if life has given you shit and lemons, what is so, so, so wrong with 40oz of liquor? Have you never done that?

Besides, you really aren't giving big bucks to these 'lazy' people, but you are giving big bucks to the military-complex.... Maybe you should spend a little more time reading Jesus' words...

FWIW, I have lots of money in these companies that you seem so concerned about, and have probably lost more in the last 6 weeks than you will earn in the next year or 2...

You act like having a military is wrong. Fine, let's slash their budget to next to nothing and then watch Russia or North Korea come and take us over. They'd be laughing.

Be careful when you make jokes ab0ut the military. It is very serious for our protection.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Be careful when you make jokes ab0ut the military. It is very serious for our protection.

One of the reasons we have the military is to protect the freedom to make jokes about the military.
I kniw that because i served.
Authoritarians like you, though, only protect speech you agree with.
Pathetic.

 

[lpetrich]

You act like having a military is wrong. ...

According to conservative-libertarian ideology, it is. Every one of these reasons I've listed is from conservative-libertarian ideology:

• Let the market decide. If soldiers' and cops' services have any value, people will hire them, or else people will become vigilantes. Government coercion is unnecessary.
• Government protection is one-size-fits-all. Vigilantism, hired guards, and mercenaries can be adjusted to individuals' protection needs and desires, while government protection cannot.
• Government involvement in protection crowds out private investment in protection solutions, solutions that will invariably be superior to government ones.
• People who refuse to protect themselves deserve to be conquered and beaten up and stolen from and extorted from and raped and enslaved and murdered and whatever other crimes that they might suffer. Protection laziness ought to have consequences, and government protection protects people from the consequences of their actions.
• Crime victims are really crime enablers, and they deserve to suffer the consequences of their crime enabling.
• The cult of crime victimhood should be recognized for it is: a part of the cult of victimhood, a very popular way for people to try to evade responsibility for their actions.
• Self-protectors should not have to protect non-self-protectors by the government stealing from them to do so. Government protection is governments robbing Peter to protect Paul.
• Individuals are much better at protecting themselves than governments. Therefore, government protection is unnecessary and people should not be stolen from to pay for it.
• Advocates of government military and police forces are very condescending with their insinuation that people have no agency, that they are incapable of protecting themselves.
• If there are any people who are not capable of protecting themselves, then private charities like vigilantes will do much better at protecting them than governments.

 

[Patooka]

You act like having a military is wrong.

You type like you have a reading comprehension disability.

A military is something every nation has.

The military industrial complex is a cynical attempt to profit under the guise a patriotism, usually at the expense of the military. If you want examples of when military personnel were fucked over with inferior equipment because the manufacturer was a very influential donor (usually at the expense of the taxpayer), let me know. I'll provide you with a few examples. If you want some after dinner reading, try this essay written by a former marine general.

 

[funinspace]

Channeling Otto?

Ok, so now you get around to being at least somewhat clear with the below addition:

The taxes thing has been done to death.

Well, the quotes associated with Jesus and the NT don't say tons of things. The NT doesn't ever envision a world in which Christians are in charge of a government, nor does it envision anything that could be called democracy. Jesus also never said, "Let the rich horde their riches and live better than kings of lore". Jesus never said taking care of the poor should be done thru charity instead of by the government. Jesus also never said, "Apes read philosophy, they just don't understand it."... Corporation's share of federal taxes paid, are at historical lows as well.


https://endhomelessness.org/ending-homelessness/policy/federal-funding-homelessness-programs/

HUD’s McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Grants program received $2.777 billion in fiscal year (FY) 2020.

https://www.nmhc.org/news/nmhc-news/hud-budget-increased-for-fiscal-year-2020/

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), will have $49.1 billion in resources for the Fiscal Year (FY) 2020 – an increase of $4.9 billion above the FY 2019 level.

Even at $50 billion assuming all HUD money goes to housing your 'poor' category, it would still only represent 1.04% of the $4.79 trillion budget. What do you think your Jesus would think of America's trillion dollar war machine?

What little you might pay in, would hardly be paying the Federal bills (even ignoring the ongoing crisis), as the spending is roughly $15,000 per person.

Have you ever spent time with a homeless person, or a person getting that 'free' housing you are whining about? Have you had lunch with such a person? Have you ever been part of a social event with such a person? Have you ever learned enough about such an individual to know at least some of their story? Your Jesus would do that. I have done that...

Obviously, there are some homeless people who just had a bad break, but they will bounce back.

But, you can't tell me with a straight face that Skid Row in Los Angeles are just people "a little down on their luck." No, those people have purely given up. They don't even throw their garbage in a dumpster somewhere. They just leave it in the streets. When you don't even have a job and you still can't even find the time to throw your garbage out in a nearby dumpster, you're not trying your hardest for a normal life. It tells you all you need to know about their mentality.

And we've all seen homeless people hanging outside a liquor store begging people for money so they can get their 40oz liquor.

Why not hang out by an unemployment office and ask the workers for help finding a job? Because a lot of them just don't care.

I'll repeat my question:
Have you ever spent time with a homeless person, or a person getting that 'free' housing you are whining about? Have you had lunch with such a person? Have you ever been part of a social event with such a person? Have you ever learned enough about such an individual to know at least some of their story? Your Jesus would do that. I have done that...

And if life has given you shit and lemons, what is so, so, so wrong with 40oz of liquor? Have you never done that?

Besides, you really aren't giving big bucks to these 'lazy' people, but you are giving big bucks to the military-complex.... Maybe you should spend a little more time reading Jesus' words...

FWIW, I have lots of money in these companies that you seem so concerned about, and have probably lost more in the last 6 weeks than you will earn in the next year or 2...

You act like having a military is wrong. Fine, let's slash their budget to next to nothing and then watch Russia or North Korea come and take us over. They'd be laughing.

Be careful when you make jokes ab0ut the military. It is very serious for our protection.

You do seem to be the Binary Man. One, I didn't 'make jokes about the military'. I'd be fine with a military-complex budget as it was in 2000 real dollars, which would make it about $450 billion (but they would need to pay for their nuclear stuff that they have the DOE paying for). Get rid of the endless ME domination games, and the VA costs would at least stop growing. The US should have some benefit of having the largest economy in the world and be able to spend a lower percentage of our GDP on the military-complex. That would save enough to equate to zero'ing out about 7 HUD budgets...

Anywho, enough of that diversion...I'll repeat my question:
Have you ever spent time with a homeless person, or a person getting that 'free' housing you are whining about? Have you had lunch with such a person? Have you ever been part of a social event with such a person? Have you ever learned enough about such an individual to know at least some of their story? Your Jesus would do that

 

[SimpleDon]

actually, it's showing the failure of trickle-down economics. Many wealthy owners see no reason to help or invest in the workers and even use the crisis to exploit them further. Tons of people are NOT out of work because Specific corporate people are going without their salary to keep the company afloat.

More than showing the failure of trickle-down economics, which was evident long before now - trickle down actually reduces economic growth, the current situation shows the failure of most of the tenets of movement conservatism, including:

1. That we don't need the federal government because,
   • the government screws up anything in which it is involved, especially in the economy, so
   • the federal government shouldn't try to regulate the economy, that
   • the economy can regulate itself through the mechanisms of supply and demand set prices, free trade, and marginal productivity.
2. Society is better served when people accept individual responsibility for themselves, so
   • there is no need for collective programs such as welfare and food stamps, they
   • just erode the principle of individual responsibility and encourage sloth, laziness, idleness, and indolence.
3. The poor are to blame for poverty.
4. Corporations are only responsible for making profits for their shareholders, i.e., implying that
   • they have no responsibility to their customers or to their employees or to the society in which they are operating, and
   • that corporate greed is good, even when the profits are generated by suppressing the workers' wages, which has produced 85% of the profit gain in the neoliberal period.
5. The Federal Reserve creates recessions by printing too much money.
6. Keynesian economic stimulus in a recession doesn't work, austerity is a better prescription for recovery from a recession.
7. Our economy is driven by the supply of financial capital for investment, and
8. Keynesian effective demand has no part in it because supply generates its own demand.

Additionally, the movement conservative movement is responsible for the large rejection of science and acting according to scientific findings in order to not offend the fundamentalists who believe that their 3000-year-old book was written by their invisible sky-boss and should trump science. This attitude is partially responsible for the still slow response of the federal government to the virus which is in the hands of the conservative-libertarian mindset.

Include in this the general rejection of facts, which apparently do have a liberal bias. It is a combination of the rejection of science, the inability to accept facts, the dedication to the free market principles, and a healthy dose of narcissism and an inability to share any spotlight under an all-encompassing veil of the incompetence of our current president that has killed thousands of people now.

People who didn't have to die had we had a competent government instead of our daily dose of Trump making up things that he wishes were true. He believes that he is a wartime president, but can you imagine FDR declaring his role in the war to back-up the governors of the various states? That each state was on its own to fight Hitler because of "states rights” guaranteed by the constitution? And that the individual states would have to bid against each other and foreign countries for the war materials in the free market of war profiteers?

The inability to accept change in the status quo is pretty much the dictionary definition of the word "conservative." Unfortunately, many of the problems that we have are the result of the status quo. The very definition of the word "conservative" disqualifies them from any role in the government. This is before we consider their dedication to the fantasy of the self-regulating free market. The things that the government does are not suitable to the questions that lend them to the solutions offered by the market and making a profit. These include health care, jurisprudence, education, the regulation and the policing of the economy, and the general welfare of the population. These all are best handled by the concept of professionalism, doctors, and nurses for health care, lawyers for jurisprudence, teachers for education, etc., licensed professionals that have a duty to the welfare of the population, not to profits.

Which just makes one cast a side-eye at the corporations, and universities, and wealthy who are not sacrificing shit for anyone else's benefit.
Jared Kushner, for example, his company is not allowing any tenant any slack on their rent, but the company IS asking their creditors for leniency in this time of disruption.
you're not paying attention, then.
The company in Austin that wants to find out what $s their employees are getting from the stimulus bill SONTHRRY CAN DOCK THEIR PAY THAT MUCH?
I can see talking bad about them for a while.... dude, even when corporations are running, people become stressed and scared for money. And healthcare. Safety. Security. .

What say you guys?

Get help.

Keith,

it's been pointed out many times that if a company does not make a lot of profit, they can not afford to pay healthcare to their workers. Let's start with a basic question. If someone is hired at a job and works 25 hours a week, you are saying they should get free healthcare no questions asked for any type of illness or disease? What about the employee who only works 10 hours at a week at the job?

I think that instead of saying "company does not make a lot of profit, they can not afford to pay healthcare to their workers" that you meant to say "revenue" instead of "profit." Health care is a necessary expense for a business like rent or paying for utilities. It is a part of the employees' wages. As long as a business is covering their expenses including their employees' wages they can stay in business without making a profit.

 

[Elixir]

This virus has shown how important corporations are to Donald Trump. Every stupid thing he says and does, has a personal profit motive.

Major Producer of Hydroxychloroquine Paid Hefty Sum for Access to Trump

Cheato doesn't care if more people die because of his illegal and immoral endorsement of an unproven drug. He doesn't care that people all over the country are now suffering because of his big mouth, unable to get the medication they need to treat the illnesses for which it is proven effective.
He only cares that the pharma company can make fat donations to his fat campaign coffers to keep his fat ass in a position where he doesn't even remotely belong.
Similarly he doesn't care that front line medical personnel lack protective equipment, he only cares that he has been able to bid the prices of that equipment up to the stratosphere in order to stuff the pockets of the manufacturers so that they too can line up at the hog trough and in turn, line Trump's pockets.
In order to fatten himself and his donors, Trump has willingly let tens of thousands of Americans die unnecessarily in the last month alone.

ISN'T HE FAT ENOUGH YET?

 

[Rhea]

It occurs to me, in a monumental case of irony, that we appear to have derailed Half-Life's thread about how wonderful Corporations are, into a discussion about how incompetent Trump is (the recursive metaphor being that, to many, Trump represents Corporations). I won't look back to see who started that derail, but I think I'd better report the thread for a split. Although, come to think of it, in order to split, we have to find out where the derail started, so... after I chuckle a bit about the irony, I'll click the little triangle with the exclamation point and make the report.

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