Thug gets shot by US Marshals, leading to violent riots in Memphis

[Loren Pechtel]

This particular individual was being approached by US Marshals because he was wanted in connection with an incident in which he took a car for a test drive and shot the owner 5 times and stole the car.

When approached by the US Marshals, he reportedly attempted to ram them and drew a gun.

My sense is most people would consider these things "bad" regardless of a person's skin color.

Efforts to make this about "race" to inflame riots against the local police (who were not involved) would seem to work against the interests of those who actually care about racial minorities.

The thing is it is in the interests of the agitators--they get their power by pointing out injustice. It doesn't matter if the injustice is real. Same as His Flatulence blaming immigrants for the ills of America--doesn't matter if the issues are real.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And while I'm sure some people don't see the problem with automatically labeling any black man shot by cops as a "thug," there are plenty of examples of innocent men who were shot to death while not running, fighting, or otherwise resisting police. Men who were killed with their hands in the air. Men who were killed because they put their hand too close to their waistband. One man was shot in his car after calmly telling police he had a registered firearm in the car. It has gotten to the point that there are protests when any black man is shot by police. They hear a black man was shot by cops, and they assume he was innocent.

Imagine that...presumption of innocence.

I guess moving forward we should just assume the cops always have a good reason to shoot someone, keep quiet about it, and never question authority.

With their hands in the air? You realize that while hands in the air is a symbol of surrender it is not proof of surrender. You put your hands in the air and advance on a cop who has a gun on you and if you get too close he's going to pull the trigger.

Hands too close to their waistband? I'm thinking of a case not too long ago that would seem to meet this--a grab for pants that were coming off. Keyword--"grab". If a cop has a gun on you do not make any sudden moves, even to preserve modesty.

Gun in the car? Yes, he informed the cop--and then reached next to the gun without first telling the cop the problem.

Blame the agitators for them assuming the guy was innocent. The reality is there are a few questionable cases and the agitators seize on them to stir up racial hatred.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

So, how many times did the officer threaten to put a cap in your head when you tried to get out of the car without permission?

As usual, the video starts in the middle, we have no way of knowing what really happened here. You're presenting it as if the trigger was the kid taking the doll, but that doesn't mean something else didn't happen--say, not stopping when the cops tried to pull them over.

 

[laughing dog]

My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

So, how many times did the officer threaten to put a cap in your head when you tried to get out of the car without permission?

As usual, the video starts in the middle, we have no way of knowing what really happened here. You're presenting it as if the trigger was the kid taking the doll, but that doesn't mean something else didn't happen--say, not stopping when the cops tried to pull them over.

Your arguments to defend the police will be more convincing if you at least familiarize yourself with the actual situation. Otherwise, it appears you are just literally making stuff in a kneejerk attempt to defend the police. If you had bothered to clink on the link, you'd have known that the people and the car were in a parking lot.

 

[Derec]

If you had bothered to clink on the link, you'd have known that the people and the car were a parking lot.

That's a funny kind of parking lot!

 

[laughing dog]

If you had bothered to clink on the link, you'd have known that the people and the car were a parking lot.

That's a funny kind of parking lot!

Or 25th century! Nice catch.

 

[J842P]

My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

I think this has less to do with race but that the dollar store probably has a problem with shoplifters and is aggressively going after them.
I think there needs to be some happy medium response between that and a no chase policy where shoplifters are let off the hook.

What does the dollar store's policies have to do with these police officer's response? These police officer's response has nothing to do with it. So what if the store's policy is to call the police on shoplifters?

 

[J842P]

My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

So, how many times did the officer threaten to put a cap in your head when you tried to get out of the car without permission?

As usual, the video starts in the middle, we have no way of knowing what really happened here. You're presenting it as if the trigger was the kid taking the doll, but that doesn't mean something else didn't happen--say, not stopping when the cops tried to pull them over.

Even that wouldn't have justified this reaction, Loren.

 

[fast]

The phrase “victim of police violence” is squirrelly. Being a victim suggests an unjustified shooting took place. If it was justified, then it’s neutral like a nurse in an ER referring to someone as a gunshot victim. Not every instance of a police shooting where someone gets shot is unjustified, so referring to someone as a victim in a cop shooting leaves room for misinterpretation.

 

[laughing dog]

The phrase “victim of police violence” is squirrelly. Being a victim suggests an unjustified shooting took place. If it was justified, then it’s neutral like a nurse in an ER referring to someone as a gunshot victim. Not every instance of a police shooting where someone gets shot is unjustified, so referring to someone as a victim in a cop shooting leaves room for misinterpretation.

A victim is someone who is harmed, injured or killed by a crime, accident or other event or action, so someone who is shot is a victim regardless of who shot them or why.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

So, how many times did the officer threaten to put a cap in your head when you tried to get out of the car without permission?

As usual, the video starts in the middle, we have no way of knowing what really happened here. You're presenting it as if the trigger was the kid taking the doll, but that doesn't mean something else didn't happen--say, not stopping when the cops tried to pull them over.

Your arguments to defend the police will be more convincing if you at least familiarize yourself with the actual situation. Otherwise, it appears you are just literally making stuff in a kneejerk attempt to defend the police. If you had bothered to clink on the link, you'd have known that the people and the car were in a parking lot.

They are in a parking lot at that point--which says nothing of what happened as they went there.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

So, how many times did the officer threaten to put a cap in your head when you tried to get out of the car without permission?

As usual, the video starts in the middle, we have no way of knowing what really happened here. You're presenting it as if the trigger was the kid taking the doll, but that doesn't mean something else didn't happen--say, not stopping when the cops tried to pull them over.

Even that wouldn't have justified this reaction, Loren.

What we are seeing is a felony stop. Thus I was looking for a felony they might have committed to cause it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The phrase “victim of police violence” is squirrelly. Being a victim suggests an unjustified shooting took place. If it was justified, then it’s neutral like a nurse in an ER referring to someone as a gunshot victim. Not every instance of a police shooting where someone gets shot is unjustified, so referring to someone as a victim in a cop shooting leaves room for misinterpretation.

A victim is someone who is harmed, injured or killed by a crime, accident or other event or action, so someone who is shot is a victim regardless of who shot them or why.

We usually don't call them victims when they caused their injuries by willful behavior. (As opposed to causing them by accident.)

 

[Toni]

Even that wouldn't have justified this reaction, Loren.

What we are seeing is a felony stop. Thus I was looking for a felony they might have committed to cause it.

The only felonies were committed by the police. There was no stop. This family, including a pregnant woman holding a baby and a 4 year old and the father were threatened with murder by police officers for something they didn’t even know happened.

That could have been me. Easily. When I was about 8 months pregnant one late July or early August, I took my newly minted 2 year old, my soon to be kindergartener and my soon to be 4th grader back to school shopping at the mall. Penney’s was running their back to school specials and I needed to get there during the sale and before the baby arrived. The morning had gone south so I was faced with the only decent option of taking the kids after the two year old woke up from his nap and before everybody started to get hungry: I had 2 hrs., tops. Being back to school sale time, it was very crowded at the mall and being late summer, it was hotter than blazes. I had two kids to get outfitted for school and the two year old was growing: it was a lot to accomplish. But the kids were good and the prices were decent and I was lucky enough to find what I needed. We made a few stops in the mall and I piled packaged and clothes to be purchased on the hood of the stroller. I made my final purchases and we trekked across the parking lot. I checked that the seats and the belt buckles weren’t too hot, loaded the kids and then went to the trunk to load packages and the stroller. It was then that I noticed that I had about $70 worth of kids clothes that I had NOT paid for buried under the bags of items I had purchased.

It was hot, the kids were buckled in and the two year old was inches away from a meltdown. I could not leave my kids in the car and it seemed too big a risk of major meltdown to drag them all back across the parking lot up to the sales counter to return those items I had not paid for. I made the decision to take the kids home and wait for my husband to return from work so that I could return the unpaid for merchandise. Which is exactly what happened. I apologized profusely for inadvertently taking items I had not paid for—much to the shock of the cashier; I fully expecting at least to be lectured by a manager. Instead, they thanked me and I returned home.

How many time should I have been shot in the head, Loren?

 

[laughing dog]

Your arguments to defend the police will be more convincing if you at least familiarize yourself with the actual situation. Otherwise, it appears you are just literally making stuff in a kneejerk attempt to defend the police. If you had bothered to clink on the link, you'd have known that the people and the car were in a parking lot.

They are in a parking lot at that point--which says nothing of what happened as they went there.

True, just like we don't know anything about what those police were doing before that, or their records or if they had a bad day. Yet you decide to literally make something up to fit your biases.

 

[laughing dog]

The phrase “victim of police violence” is squirrelly. Being a victim suggests an unjustified shooting took place. If it was justified, then it’s neutral like a nurse in an ER referring to someone as a gunshot victim. Not every instance of a police shooting where someone gets shot is unjustified, so referring to someone as a victim in a cop shooting leaves room for misinterpretation.

A victim is someone who is harmed, injured or killed by a crime, accident or other event or action, so someone who is shot is a victim regardless of who shot them or why.

We usually don't call them victims when they caused their injuries by willful behavior.

Are you using the royal "we'? Otherwise your response is bs.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Your arguments to defend the police will be more convincing if you at least familiarize yourself with the actual situation. Otherwise, it appears you are just literally making stuff in a kneejerk attempt to defend the police. If you had bothered to clink on the link, you'd have known that the people and the car were in a parking lot.

They are in a parking lot at that point--which says nothing of what happened as they went there.

True, just like we don't know anything about what those police were doing before that, or their records or if they had a bad day. Yet you decide to literally make something up to fit your biases.

I made a suggestion as to what might have happened. The video only started in the parking lot, we don't know what happened and everyone was in a kneejerk attempt to attack the police.

Since the Enterprise didn't beam the car from the store to the parking lot something happened in between and that something isn't being reported--which makes me think it's bad for them.

 

[laughing dog]

True, just like we don't know anything about what those police were doing before that, or their records or if they had a bad day. Yet you decide to literally make something up to fit your biases.

I made a suggestion as to what might have happened. The video only started in the parking lot, we don't know what happened and everyone was in a kneejerk attempt to attack the police.

Since the Enterprise didn't beam the car from the store to the parking lot something happened in between and that something isn't being reported--which makes me think it's bad for them.

Of course it leads you to think that - because that is what you wish to do: exonerate the police regardless of the circumstances.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

True, just like we don't know anything about what those police were doing before that, or their records or if they had a bad day. Yet you decide to literally make something up to fit your biases.

I made a suggestion as to what might have happened. The video only started in the parking lot, we don't know what happened and everyone was in a kneejerk attempt to attack the police.

Since the Enterprise didn't beam the car from the store to the parking lot something happened in between and that something isn't being reported--which makes me think it's bad for them.

Of course it leads you to think that - because that is what you wish to do: exonerate the police regardless of the circumstances.

No. What I do is figure people are going to give the details that benefit them and ignore the ones that harm their position.

We hear nothing about what happened between the police being called and what happened in the parking lot. Thus I conclude it's bad for them.

 

[laughing dog]

Of course it leads you to think that - because that is what you wish to do: exonerate the police regardless of the circumstances.

No. What I do is figure people are going to give the details that benefit them and ignore the ones that harm their position.

We hear nothing about what happened between the police being called and what happened in the parking lot. Thus I conclude it's bad for them.

I figure that people are going to make up stories that fit their preferred conclusion when they don't have all the facts. And that is exactly what you are doing here. There is nothing in the disinterested reporting or the video that supports your conclusion, yet here you are concluding that the police did nothing wrong.