Thug gets shot by US Marshals, leading to violent riots in Memphis

[Derec]

At least 24 officers injured in Memphis unrest after U.S. Marshals fatally shoot young black man

News that a U.S. Marshals Service officer had fatally shot a young black man in Memphis triggered chaotic protests late Wednesday that caused widespread property damage and left at least two dozen police officers injured by thrown concrete rocks.
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The shooting happened around 7 p.m. Wednesday night in Frayser, a neighborhood less than five miles north of downtown Memphis. The man killed, who was identified by family members and local officials as 20-year-old Brandon Webber, was being served multiple felony warrants by the Marshal Service’s Gulf Coast Regional Fugitive Task Force and other law enforcement agencies, according to police. Webber rammed into the marshals’ car and then displayed a weapon, said Keli McAlister, a spokeswoman for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, in a news conference early Thursday.
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In a statement released early Thursday, Strickland said that at least 24 officers and deputies were injured, with six taken to the hospital for treatment. He added that two journalists were also injured. WREG’s Luke Jones, said he was knocked to the ground after a man ran up and punched him in the head, while Rebecca Butcher of Local 24 News tweeted that her photographer was also hit by someone in the crowd.

I am predicting that the usual suspects on here will be quick to condemn the US Marshals and defend Dindu Barandon Webber and the rioters ...

By the way, here are some pictures of him.

Firearms, comically fat stacks and a fancy Corvette at 20 years old. Likely occupation: drug dealer.
From here:
Brandon Webber: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

That article contains some other gems, like:

“”=I’m posting these pictures because out of all the pictures the news & some of the media could’ve chosen, they scrolled RIGHT PASS these. Trying to destroy this young black king. Not saying he was a FATHER, a GRADUATE, a COLLEGE STUDENT, and much more. They wanna portray him as a monster. I can’t sit back & allow them to do our brother, 1 of our black kings like this. POST THESE PICTURES OF HIM. Rest Well King Brandon D. Webber

King? LMAO!

At one point, a police car drives by. He calls the officers “b****es” and seemed to say “Don’t drive by me. You’re gonna have to catch me, homie.”

He said they would have to find him, then turned his camera toward the passing police car. “Oh God, look at these b****es,” he said. “Don’t drive by me. He gonna have to catch me, homie,” he said and laughed. “He gonna have to catch me, homie. I ain’t even gonna lie. I would do their a** so bad they’d leave me alone,” he laughed again. “It would be so funny seeing those b****es,” he continued.

It didn't turn out that funny for you, eh Chuckles?

 

[Gun Nut]

I'm doubting you are going to get any slack on this one, Derek.

It seems the community's (totally inappropriate) reaction to this apparently justified shooting may have been colored (heh) by a recent court decision on another shooting case where the police were found guilty of a shooting being unjustified. So it was a dindu reaction fueled by a previous non-dindu situation

 

[laughing dog]

I'm doubting you are going to get any slack on this one, Derek.

It seems the community's (totally inappropriate) reaction to this apparently justified shooting may have been colored (heh) by a recent court decision on another shooting case where the police were found guilty of a shooting being unjustified. So it was a dindu reaction fueled by a previous non-dindu situation

For some reason, some people either think these type of events are not related to any historical context or are ignorant of the specifics. So they then can use these events to display their bigoted views under the cover of promoting social order.

 

[Derec]

I'm doubting you are going to get any slack on this one, Derek.

You'd think so, but you clearly are misunderestimating laughing dog.

It seems the community's (totally inappropriate) reaction to this apparently justified shooting may have been colored (heh) by a recent court decision on another shooting case where the police were found guilty of a shooting being unjustified. So it was a dindu reaction fueled by a previous non-dindu situation

Interesting hypothesis. Do you know what case it was?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

BLM is about stirring up hate. Right or wrong doesn't matter.

 

[laughing dog]

BLM is about stirring up hate.

BS. BTW, do you have any evidence that the BLM movement was behind this riot?

Right or wrong doesn't matter.

I am sure the irony of that is lost on you.

 

[Elixir]

Right or wrong doesn't matter.

Get with the program:
ALL LIES MATTER!

 

[Tom Sawyer]

/mod

 

[steve_bank]

The solution is to simply not pursue blacks who have warrant's.

 

[Ford]

The solution is to simply not pursue blacks who have warrant's.

Of course, any black man is automatically a "thug," warrant or not. And protests are automatically "riots" when the participants are black.

If by chance someone says "hey, black lives matter" they're clearly wrong, and are just trying to stir things up. Or in other words, be "uppity."

Can't have anyone being uppity, now can we?

 

[steve_bank]

The solution is to simply not pursue blacks who have warrant's.

Of course, any black man is automatically a "thug," warrant or not. And protests are automatically "riots" when the participants are black.

If by chance someone says "hey, black lives matter" they're clearly wrong, and are just trying to stir things up. Or in other words, be "uppity."

Can't have anyone being uppity, now can we?

An expected response.

And my response is always where do non blocks form their view of blacks?

I was waking through a store and passed by two blacks talking. it was 'nigger this..that nigger told me that'. Loked, acted, and talked like thugs. You can say the same for say Hell's Angels.

Movies are filled with image of angry blacks talking tough, violence. How does that affect whites who may have never known any blacks?

When I watch CNN and MSNBC I see a continuity's parade of ranting angry blacks. While there are issues, the angry black person has become cliché. The rhetoric has gotten to the point that any arrest of a black is racists.

I posted stats before from the CDC.

Whites and Latinos have about the same probability of being injured or dieing at the hands of police. Asians are below that. Blacks are above that.

While blacks have a higher probability, death and injury as part of police action is not limited to blacks.

If yiu resist, run, or become troublesome with police if you are stopped you bear part of the responsibility for consequences wheter police use excessive force or not, regardless of race.

In the 90s I was stopped on a dark section of road at night because my tail lights were out. I turned on the inside light and put my hands in plain site on the wheel.

Two cops slowly came up the sides of the car hands on holstered guns with flashlights.

I asked to get out of the car to look at the back and was sharply told to stay in the car.

I was stopped for rolling through a stop sign. I started to get out, a big mistake. The cop said shapely 'did I tell you to get out of the car?'

Point being the idea white people get a pass with police is bullshit.

Back around 1972 I was living in Hartford Ct around Arther's Drug store on Farmington Ave. It had an all night food counter. An area known for crime. Local business at one point had private security with digs patrolling.

Around midnight I was walking back to my place from a girl's apartment on Farmington Ave. I was stopped by a cop and put in the car. We drove a little to a guy who had been assaulted to see if I was the one, which I was not. The cop questioned me anyway. Who I was, where I was going, where I was from. He said I was 'new in his area' and made some notes.

While there are black issues, there is also over reaction. The law is the law.

 

[dismal]

The solution is to simply not pursue blacks who have warrant's.

Of course, any black man is automatically a "thug," warrant or not. And protests are automatically "riots" when the participants are black.

If by chance someone says "hey, black lives matter" they're clearly wrong, and are just trying to stir things up. Or in other words, be "uppity."

Can't have anyone being uppity, now can we?

This particular individual was being approached by US Marshals because he was wanted in connection with an incident in which he took a car for a test drive and shot the owner 5 times and stole the car.

When approached by the US Marshals, he reportedly attempted to ram them and drew a gun.

My sense is most people would consider these things "bad" regardless of a person's skin color.

Efforts to make this about "race" to inflame riots against the local police (who were not involved) would seem to work against the interests of those who actually care about racial minorities.

 

[Ford]

The solution is to simply not pursue blacks who have warrant's.

Of course, any black man is automatically a "thug," warrant or not. And protests are automatically "riots" when the participants are black.

If by chance someone says "hey, black lives matter" they're clearly wrong, and are just trying to stir things up. Or in other words, be "uppity."

Can't have anyone being uppity, now can we?

An expected response.

Meeting sarcasm with sarcasm?

The point was that there are some people in this world who automatically label any black man who has an encounter with police as a "thug." And that some people automatically assume that any protest of police brutality is a result of "black lives matter" and is therefore invalid.

There are even some people who say "well if blacks can say that word, then I can say it too."

And while I'm sure some people don't see the problem with automatically labeling any black man shot by cops as a "thug," there are plenty of examples of innocent men who were shot to death while not running, fighting, or otherwise resisting police. Men who were killed with their hands in the air. Men who were killed because they put their hand too close to their waistband. One man was shot in his car after calmly telling police he had a registered firearm in the car. It has gotten to the point that there are protests when any black man is shot by police. They hear a black man was shot by cops, and they assume he was innocent.

Imagine that...presumption of innocence.

I guess moving forward we should just assume the cops always have a good reason to shoot someone, keep quiet about it, and never question authority.

 

[marc]

While blacks have a higher probability, death and injury as part of police action is not limited to blacks.

And no one is claiming that police don't abuse other people. Just that, as you pointed out, that black people are more likely to be a victim of police violence.

If yiu resist, run, or become troublesome with police if you are stopped you bear part of the responsibility for consequences wheter police use excessive force or not, regardless of race.

But in many of the cases talked about, the victim wasn't resisting, and didn't run. Would even say they weren't 'troublesome', but that is a vague enough term that anyone who wants to justify any police action will either find something to classify as 'troublesome', or even pull a hypothetical 'troublesome' action out of their ass and then proceed as if it was established fact.

In the 90s I was stopped on a dark section of road at night because my tail lights were out. I turned on the inside light and put my hands in plain site on the wheel.

Two cops slowly came up the sides of the car hands on holstered guns with flashlights.

And if you were black, then they might have slowly come up with guns drawn.

I asked to get out of the car to look at the back and was sharply told to stay in the car.

I was stopped for rolling through a stop sign. I started to get out, a big mistake. The cop said shapely 'did I tell you to get out of the car?'

And if you were black he might have just shot you instead. Shall we get the example video of a cop asking a black guy for ID, and then shot the guy when he reached into his truck to get it?

Point being the idea white people get a pass with police is bullshit.

Not a pass, but less likely to be met with violence.


My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

So, how many times did the officer threaten to put a cap in your head when you tried to get out of the car without permission?

 

[ZiprHead]

And no one is claiming that police don't abuse other people. Just that, as you pointed out, that black people are more likely to be a victim of police violence.



But in many of the cases talked about, the victim wasn't resisting, and didn't run. Would even say they weren't 'troublesome', but that is a vague enough term that anyone who wants to justify any police action will either find something to classify as 'troublesome', or even pull a hypothetical 'troublesome' action out of their ass and then proceed as if it was established fact.

In the 90s I was stopped on a dark section of road at night because my tail lights were out. I turned on the inside light and put my hands in plain site on the wheel.

Two cops slowly came up the sides of the car hands on holstered guns with flashlights.

And if you were black, then they might have slowly come up with guns drawn.

I asked to get out of the car to look at the back and was sharply told to stay in the car.

I was stopped for rolling through a stop sign. I started to get out, a big mistake. The cop said shapely 'did I tell you to get out of the car?'

And if you were black he might have just shot you instead. Shall we get the example video of a cop asking a black guy for ID, and then shot the guy when he reached into his truck to get it?

Point being the idea white people get a pass with police is bullshit.

Not a pass, but less likely to be met with violence.


My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

So, how many times did the officer threaten to put a cap in your head when you tried to get out of the car without permission?

Just to note it was a 99 cent fake Barbie.

 

[Derec]

Of course, any black man is automatically a "thug," warrant or not.

That's a pretty flimsy straw man you have constructed here.
Webber most definitely had a warrant, and a serious one at that.
Official: Warrant for man shot by marshals related to shooting in Hernando

And protests are automatically "riots" when the participants are black.

Again, wrong.
It is a riot for example when participants throw bricks/rocks and injure two dozen police officers and two journalists, in addition to vandalizing police cars. That's a riot no matter the skin color of participants. But that's something people like you will never understand. You will continue to believe that the only reason people call it a "riot" is race, no matter the facts.

by chance someone says "hey, black lives matter" they're clearly wrong, and are just trying to stir things up. Or in other words, be "uppity."
Can't have anyone being uppity, now can we?

Does the life that Webber almost took matter as well?

 

[Derec]

The point was that there are some people in this world who automatically label any black man who has an encounter with police as a "thug."

Nobody is doing that. However, it is a fact that by far most people shot by police can be described as thugs. Regardless of color.

And that some people automatically assume that any protest of police brutality is a result of "black lives matter" and is therefore invalid.

That's because these protesters/rioters are so bad about which cause to get really excited about. I do not recall much action about Tamir Rice for example. That was reserved for thugs like Michael Brown, Freddie Grey or Keith Smith.

There are even some people who say "well if blacks can say that word, then I can say it too."

That's a separate issue, but it makes no sense to have words that blacks can say but not whites.

there are plenty of examples of innocent men who were shot to death while not running, fighting, or otherwise resisting police.

I would not say "plenty" but there are some? What is the relevance though? Every case should be investigated based on the circumstances of the case.

Men who were killed with their hands in the air.

Who do you have in mind? And note that raising your hands is not necessarily a gesture of surrender. Especially when combined with advancing.

Men who were killed because they put their hand too close to their waistband.

Because that's where concealed guns are often kept.

One man was shot in his car after calmly telling police he had a registered firearm in the car.

That case was tragic, but if I recall the discussion correctly, the armed man made a mistake which is why the officer was acquitted.

Imagine that...presumption of innocence.

On the contrary, they presume the police are always at fault.

I guess moving forward we should just assume the cops always have a good reason to shoot someone, keep quiet about it, and never question authority.

How about we investigate each case on its own merits?

 

[Derec]

But in many of the cases talked about, the victim wasn't resisting, and didn't run.

Wrong. That does not apply to "many of the cases talked about". Or can you maybe mention a few?
And it any case, in this case the suspect rammed the car (that he stole previously by shooting the victim five times) into Marshal vehicles and pulled a gun. Never mind what happened in some other cases, there is no real reason for even peaceful protests. And violent rioting is never ok, no matter if the shooting is justified or not.
Neither is threatening police/Marshals with violence as is happening in this case.
DPS: Gangster Disciples have called for deaths of police officers

Would even say they weren't 'troublesome', but that is a vague enough term that anyone who wants to justify any police action will either find something to classify as 'troublesome', or even pull a hypothetical 'troublesome' action out of their ass and then proceed as if it was established fact.

In this case the troublesome actions was the suspect ramming the officers' cars and pulling a gun.

And if you were black he might have just shot you instead.

BS. That belief is direct result of #BLM propaganda which has no basis in reality.

Shall we get the example video of a cop asking a black guy for ID, and then shot the guy when he reached into his truck to get it?

You can cherry-pick a few cases like that over several years, sure. But the vast majority of cases are not like that.

My wife was watching a video last night. A black family went to the dollar store. Apparently one of the kids picked up a barbie doll and the parents didn't notice. The police were called, and they run up on the family's car, guns drawn, and repeatedly threaten to kill them. They kept telling the woman to put her hands up, ignoring that she was holding a child.

I think this has less to do with race but that the dollar store probably has a problem with shoplifters and is aggressively going after them.
I think there needs to be some happy medium response between that and a no chase policy where shoplifters are let off the hook.

So, how many times did the officer threaten to put a cap in your head when you tried to get out of the car without permission?

Zero. But then again, I do not steal from dollar stores.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The solution is to simply not pursue blacks who have warrant's.

Of course, any black man is automatically a "thug," warrant or not. And protests are automatically "riots" when the participants are black.

If by chance someone says "hey, black lives matter" they're clearly wrong, and are just trying to stir things up. Or in other words, be "uppity."

Can't have anyone being uppity, now can we?

This case is awfully clear cut. He demonstrated his violent intent more than once before getting shot.

And protests are riots when a bunch of damage is done.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I posted stats before from the CDC.

Whites and Latinos have about the same probability of being injured or dieing at the hands of police. Asians are below that. Blacks are above that.

While blacks have a higher probability, death and injury as part of police action is not limited to blacks.

Scale it for the number of arrests (the best proxy we have for police contact) and blacks have a slightly lower chance of getting shot. While you could argue racist enforcement it's clear the shooting isn't racist.