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Toddler falls into gorilla cage at Cincinnati Zoo

 
 
 
In all seriousness, that video doesn't show the gorilla being shot, right? I don't want to see that. Too damn sad.
 
hurtinbuckaroo said:
Someone should point out to Mom that god protected her child only after he allowed him to fall into the pit, causing the death of another of god's creatures. WTF, god?
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Hey, don't blame God for the fact that you can't tell the difference between His Divine Plan and pure chaos. :p
 
saw a quick mention on the news this morning that officials are investigating the parents of the boy now. Wasn't able to stick around for the details, though.
 
Potoooooooo said:
from National Geographic
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/05/harambe-gorillas-behaviors-zoos-animals/
Harambe’s Behavior May Have Been Normal Gorilla Play
Experts doubt that the gorilla was abnormally aggressive
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Not really relevant, since "normal gorilla play" could easily and instantly kill a 4 year old human.

He sprinted 100 yards down the moat dragging the boy on the ground behind him. Whether that is classified as "play" or "aggression" doesn't matter for the issue of whether shooting him was the right response.
 
RavenSky said:
saw a quick mention on the news this morning that officials are investigating the parents of the boy now. Wasn't able to stick around for the details, though.
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The police are not recommending charges (source: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/06/01/family-3-year-old-cincinnati-zoo-incident-still-doing-well/85239880/)
Police have wrapped up their investigation without recommending charges against the mother of a 3-year-old boy who witnesses said fell into the gorilla exhibit at the Cincinnati Zoo, according to a source close to the investigation.

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said in an interview that the Cincinnati Police Department asked his office to look at the investigation, and he agreed. He expects that review will happen Thursday, with a possible determination made by Friday....

“I will read everything and decide what we’re doing,” Deters said.

Since Saturday, police had been looking at whether the boy's mother, 32-year-old Michelle Gregg, could be held criminally responsible for what happened.
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laughing dog said:
The police are not recommending charges (source: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/06/01/family-3-year-old-cincinnati-zoo-incident-still-doing-well/85239880/)
Police have wrapped up their investigation without recommending charges against the mother of a 3-year-old boy who witnesses said fell into the gorilla exhibit at the Cincinnati Zoo, according to a source close to the investigation.

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said in an interview that the Cincinnati Police Department asked his office to look at the investigation, and he agreed. He expects that review will happen Thursday, with a possible determination made by Friday....

“I will read everything and decide what we’re doing,” Deters said.

Since Saturday, police had been looking at whether the boy's mother, 32-year-old Michelle Gregg, could be held criminally responsible for what happened.
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Correct decision. Any parent who has a rambunctious 3-year-old and says they have not ever momentarily lost sight of him/her is likely either lying or keeps the kid duct-taped to a bedroom wall. A friend ended up using a harness and leash so that he could safely take his son out after a couple incidents like that. Guess what kind of reaction he got from people?

Sometimes you just can't win.
 
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Artemus said:
laughing dog said:
The police are not recommending charges (source: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/06/01/family-3-year-old-cincinnati-zoo-incident-still-doing-well/85239880/)
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Correct decision. Any parent who has a rambunctious 3-year-old and says they have not ever momentarily lost sight of him/her is likely either lying or keeps the kid duck-taped to a bedroom wall. A friend ended up using a harness and leash so that he could safely take his son out after a couple incidents like that. Guess what kind of reaction he got from people?

Sometimes you just can't win.
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I do agree. I was just curious if the police/prosecutor were feeling pressured by the publicity.

As to the harness/leash dilemma - BIG TIME! I suspect just about every person that is criticising the mother in this case would also criticise her had she been using a harness :(
 
RavenSky said:
I suspect just about every person that is criticising the mother in this case would also criticise her had she been using a harness :(
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"Child falls half-way into a gorilla exhibit, strangles in leash while gorilla looks on...Film at 11."
 
Artemus said:
laughing dog said:
The police are not recommending charges (source: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/06/01/family-3-year-old-cincinnati-zoo-incident-still-doing-well/85239880/)
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Correct decision. Any parent who has a rambunctious 3-year-old and says they have not ever momentarily lost sight of him/her is likely either lying or keeps the kid duct-taped to a bedroom wall. A friend ended up using a harness and leash so that he could safely take his son out after a couple incidents like that. Guess what kind of reaction he got from people?

Sometimes you just can't win.
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In general I agree. But this kid was talking about going into the enclosure beforehand. I helped raise 4 children to adulthood, 3 boys. Trust me, when one of them said he was going to do something we thought was dangerous or ill-advised when we were out, we made sure we had a hold of him (or her). This mother did screw up, but I don't think she ought to be charged with a crime.

Apparently, she is getting some negative blowback from this incident.
 
laughing dog said:
Artemus said:
Correct decision. Any parent who has a rambunctious 3-year-old and says they have not ever momentarily lost sight of him/her is likely either lying or keeps the kid duct-taped to a bedroom wall. A friend ended up using a harness and leash so that he could safely take his son out after a couple incidents like that. Guess what kind of reaction he got from people?

Sometimes you just can't win.
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In general I agree. But this kid was talking about going into the enclosure beforehand. I helped raise 4 children to adulthood, 3 boys. Trust me, when one of them said he was going to do something we thought was dangerous or ill-advised when we were out, we made sure we had a hold of him (or her). This mother did screw up, but I don't think she ought to be charged with a crime.

Apparently, she is getting some negative blowback from this incident.
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The kid is three! I could hear my kids at three now saying "My go play with the gorilla"; this after saying "My go play with the kangaroo", "my go play with the tiger" etc etc etc. I doubt the kids said 'mommy I'm going over the fence and down the ditch to chill with that gorilla there".
 
I agree with this guy. Some of the vitriol thrown at this woman is just absurd. It's sad the gorilla died. It would have been more sad if a child had died, let alone having a helpless mom having to watch. Accidents happen in a fraction of a second - we do our best to avoid them, but sometimes they just happen.

http://time.com/4352116/cincinnati-zoo-gorilla-harambe-mother/
 
Playball40 said:
laughing dog said:
In general I agree. But this kid was talking about going into the enclosure beforehand. I helped raise 4 children to adulthood, 3 boys. Trust me, when one of them said he was going to do something we thought was dangerous or ill-advised when we were out, we made sure we had a hold of him (or her). This mother did screw up, but I don't think she ought to be charged with a crime.

Apparently, she is getting some negative blowback from this incident.
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The kid is three! I could hear my kids at three now saying "My go play with the gorilla"; this after saying "My go play with the kangaroo", "my go play with the tiger" etc etc etc. I doubt the kids said 'mommy I'm going over the fence and down the ditch to chill with that gorilla there".
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"One witness says she heard the boy say he wanted to jump into the water." (source: http://www.whio.com/news/ap/texas/the-latest-video-shows-gorilla-stand-over-boy-afte/nrWzz/). If true, the mother screwed up.
 
laughing dog said:
Playball40 said:
The kid is three! I could hear my kids at three now saying "My go play with the gorilla"; this after saying "My go play with the kangaroo", "my go play with the tiger" etc etc etc. I doubt the kids said 'mommy I'm going over the fence and down the ditch to chill with that gorilla there".
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"One witness says she heard the boy say he wanted to jump into the water." (source: http://www.whio.com/news/ap/texas/the-latest-video-shows-gorilla-stand-over-boy-afte/nrWzz/). If true, the mother screwed up.
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Her kid ended up in a gorilla pen so by definition she screwed up. Everyone has screwed up. The only difference is that most of us are just very, very lucky that our screw-ups don't occur at the worst possible moment.

The attacks on her are ludicrous.
 
Artemus said:
laughing dog said:
"One witness says she heard the boy say he wanted to jump into the water." (source: http://www.whio.com/news/ap/texas/the-latest-video-shows-gorilla-stand-over-boy-afte/nrWzz/). If true, the mother screwed up.
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Her kid ended up in a gorilla pen so by definition she screwed up. Everyone has screwed up. The only difference is that most of us are just very, very lucky that our screw-ups don't occur at the worst possible moment.

The attacks on her are ludicrous.
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I think she deserves some criticism, but no attacks and no police investigation either.
 
Artemus said:
laughing dog said:
"One witness says she heard the boy say he wanted to jump into the water." (source: http://www.whio.com/news/ap/texas/the-latest-video-shows-gorilla-stand-over-boy-afte/nrWzz/). If true, the mother screwed up.
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Her kid ended up in a gorilla pen so by definition she screwed up. Everyone has screwed up. The only difference is that most of us are just very, very lucky that our screw-ups don't occur at the worst possible moment.

The attacks on her are ludicrous.
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Again, I agree with you. I feel a bit bad for her that her screw up is happening in such a world-wide glare of publicity.

I still do wonder, however, how the child made it past two barriers and a buffer zone with NO ONE seeing him. If there were enough people around that they are able to report verbatim what the child was saying moments before he went into the enclosure, how come these other visitors didn't also see he climb over the first barrier?
 
RavenSky said:
... how come these other visitors didn't also see he climb over the first barrier?
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Several might have. Bystander syndrome would prevent most people in a crowd from taking any action, they’d all be thinking “why doesn’t someone do something?” at the same time.
 
abaddon said:
RavenSky said:
... how come these other visitors didn't also see he climb over the first barrier?
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Several might have. Bystander syndrome would prevent most people in a crowd from taking any action, they’d all be thinking “why doesn’t someone do something?” at the same time.
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You are probably right, but :(

Maybe it is just me, but if I saw a 4-year old climbing into a zoo exhibit, I would definitely be doing something (and have done so in similar type situations) - not waiting for others. Maybe if it was an adult, I'd hang back; but not a child.
 
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