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Yup. Instead of that classic line, "Nature finds a way", its "Underseer finds a way".
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Yup. Instead of that classic line, "Nature finds a way", its "Underseer finds a way".
Underseer
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Are you saying that white people haven't killed people by running them over, or that they don't want to?
If so, how do you explain the push by white people to make it legal to run over protesters?
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I used to try and convince conservatives to stop going crazy with generalizations about racial minorities, religious minorities, etc. I have been told time and time again that I am an idiot for complaining about this, so I have come to the conclusion that I was wrong and that the logic of this is completely valid. You're just getting your panties in a bunch because I'm applying your own logic to your own in-group.
Now you are trying to prevent me from talking about the fact that white people are all terrorists because you want to attack my free speech rights with your political correctness.
Why do you hate freedom?
Aren't you a white person? Do you want to run people over?
laughing dog
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I thought standard police procedure was to shoot to kill. Is this police officer suspended pending an investigation into failure to follow procedure?
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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uh, guys, wasn't the truck driver a white, male conservative? I know race is a social construct and so many American conservatives do not think of Muslims like this guy as being "white," but as a social construct, it's not too consistent or logical. So what's the answer? He was from Uzbekistan, so was he White Asian? I don't know, but he was a male conservative.
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Gotta say here---
The responses on this thread are so far overwhelmingly sick. This was a real violent act intentionally carried out, apparently for some sort of terrorist/religious/political agenda. This is something that really happened, and real people were really hurt. It is disgusting as an isolated incident by itself, but even moreso as this is a signal of more likely to come, with more terror and violence imposed on more people. Stop using it as a reflex opportunity to just berate or parody Trump and conservatives. This is not something that they did, or could have prevented. Do not pin it on them. If I am wrong there and you think Republicans can and should have prevented this attack, then present your rationale for that, and what they should do in response. Just stop being a jackass in a very disturbing and traumatic time.
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The responses on this thread are so far overwhelmingly sick. This was a real violent act intentionally carried out, apparently for some sort of terrorist/religious/political agenda. This is something that really happened, and real people were really hurt. It is disgusting as an isolated incident by itself, but even moreso as this is a signal of more likely to come, with more terror and violence imposed on more people. Stop using it as a reflex opportunity to just berate or parody Trump and conservatives. This is not something that they did, or could have prevented. Do not pin it on them. If I am wrong there and you think Republicans can and should have prevented this attack, then present your rationale for that, and what they should do in response. Just stop being a jackass in a very disturbing and traumatic time.
Brian
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It appears a rule or guide to the effect that the ethnicity and beliefs of the terrorist are a direct indication of how concerned we should be. A drunk? no concern. Road rage? bit more. White alt-right? maybe more, depending on who you ask. But a Muslim? Pull out all the stops: immigration bans, deportations, laws banning sharia, bombing, wars etc. Which is ironic, because that's exactly the response Muslim extremists want.
Sorry if you can't see any absurdity in that. Some of us do, and that's what evidently appears to you as sickness. It's a separate issue from the victims, who are equally unjustly dead no matter who killed them.
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No it is not absurd to present a legal or policy case for a certain law that you think should be implemented. It is not absurd to see a particular terror attack as a strong motive to push for new policies. What is absurd is to use a terrible tragedy to make the same usual jokes and fun of people. If you want to present a case for some policy, then that is fine. Just stop being a jackass while you do it. Treat it a serious matter. It is a serious matter.
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Might be a case of "whistling in the dark." There's many reasons to be nervous about what will happen next.
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Be fair, Trump did say the magic words "radical Islamic terrorism" over and over. Who knows why it did not stop this guy. Trump told us he alone has the secret plan that will defeat Isis, but he didn't say how long it would take. Be fair.
Never give up your dreams!
Well, keep in mind this is a progressive atheist board, so there's a natural sympathy for those who kill in the name of installing a religious theocracy.
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That proves that what I am saying is definitely not racist.
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So you deny that white people are terrorists?
Do I need to remind you of Charlottesville? Las Vegas? Unfortunately, we can't even admit that there is a problem because of political correctness.
I should have my own show on FOX News so that I can tell everyone about the terrible problem of white people. That I do not have my own show on FOX proves that my free speech rights have been taken away because I committed the crime of being politically incorrect.
Brian, if you want a more serious answer, every time we talk about this, people use it as an opportunity to commit hasty generalization fallacies. Every single time. It is utterly impossible to discuss things like this without someone using it to generalize about all 1+ billion Muslims. Since I have given up on asking people to stop doing this, I am going along with what everyone else wants and applying the same logic to other conclusions (reductio ad absurdum). Everyone agrees that the logic of these arguments are valid, therefore it is valid to apply the same logic to white people.
FOX News has been encouraging white people to run over human beings because murdering people with cars in terrorist actions is part of white ideology. Countless white web sites encourage white people to use cars and trucks to murder people who don't agree with them. This is inherently part of white ideology, and therefore white people are all terrorists and they always will be, but we are not allowed to discuss this problem because political correctness is taking my free speech rights away.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Which one am I supposed to be?
Which one is Underseer?
I know Derec will not admit that this was intended to be for posters here and the right never, ever tries to stop the speech of its own, no matter how bad.
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Grrr....
I am not making a statement at all on that issue. The statement that I am actually making is that if you really want to discuss the issue, then it is fine to discuss the issue. Go ahead, absolutely. Just do not use a violent attack on people as opportunity to put on a clown face to make fun of other people.
What has been happening in this thread is not just a discussion, it is not any kind of analysis of various policy proposals and their ramifications.
What has been happening in this thread is that people are making fun of other people.
Suppose someone who was personally themselves affected by this terror attack, either a direct victim themselves or as a friend to someone who was directly killed, for instance. Would you still be here in front of that person making the same sort of usual jokes about Republicans that we always hear? Probably not, you would realize that you were being a complete asshole if you did so. Maybe some posters on this forum actually were personally impacted by this attack. I do not know either way. Making all sorts of satirical jokes about politicians and seeing this violent and gruesome attack as just another opportunity to pile on more, is sick.
So yet again, it is necessary to debate various sorts of issues and policies and laws. What is not necessary is to see this violent horrible attack as an opportunity to just laugh at those politicians you disagree with. Make a case for whatever policy you want, make a case for how to bring about the policy. That is all well and good. If all you are going to do though is laugh, then you should just shut the hell up.
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I am not making a statement at all on that issue. The statement that I am actually making is that if you really want to discuss the issue, then it is fine to discuss the issue. Go ahead, absolutely. Just do not use a violent attack on people as opportunity to put on a clown face to make fun of other people.
What has been happening in this thread is not just a discussion, it is not any kind of analysis of various policy proposals and their ramifications.
What has been happening in this thread is that people are making fun of other people.
Suppose someone who was personally themselves affected by this terror attack, either a direct victim themselves or as a friend to someone who was directly killed, for instance. Would you still be here in front of that person making the same sort of usual jokes about Republicans that we always hear? Probably not, you would realize that you were being a complete asshole if you did so. Maybe some posters on this forum actually were personally impacted by this attack. I do not know either way. Making all sorts of satirical jokes about politicians and seeing this violent and gruesome attack as just another opportunity to pile on more, is sick.
So yet again, it is necessary to debate various sorts of issues and policies and laws. What is not necessary is to see this violent horrible attack as an opportunity to just laugh at those politicians you disagree with. Make a case for whatever policy you want, make a case for how to bring about the policy. That is all well and good. If all you are going to do though is laugh, then you should just shut the hell up.
Brian
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I don't think Derec in post#13 was merely using his image (see above) to get a laugh. He was laughing I am sure, but he was also trying to say something about policy.
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You know, I have Derec on ignore so I don't have to look at that shit.
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You're a progressive now?