Truck driven down NYC bike path

[Jimmy Higgins]

Grrr....

So you deny that white people are terrorists?

I am not making a statement at all on that issue. The statement that I am actually making is that if you really want to discuss the issue, then it is fine to discuss the issue. Go ahead, absolutely. Just do not use a violent attack on people as opportunity to put on a clown face to make fun of other people.

What has been happening in this thread is not just a discussion, it is not any kind of analysis of various policy proposals and their ramifications.

Well, we figured it'd be like Las Vegas. A bunch of shallow words, and then no changes. Why is it when a Muslim murders people, we need immigration reform, but if some wealthy white guy murders dozens more... we need to have a shallow discussion about mental health for about 42 seconds?

Bollards would have prevented this attack. Bollards can help prevent attacks of this nature. We don't need to rewrite immigration law, just observe the laws of physics and create barriers that so many of these places already have.

 

[Brian63]

I don't think Derec in post#13 was merely using his image (see above) to get a laugh. He was laughing I am sure, but he was also trying to say something about policy.

Fine, then "say something about policy." Just do not use a horrific, violent, barbaric event as an opportunity to also get some laughs.

That is all I am saying. Discussions about various policies are great, they can be productive, and helpful. Just do not use the suffering of other people as an opportunity to get some laughs for yourself.

Brian

 

[Harry Bosch]

Gotta say here---

The responses on this thread are so far overwhelmingly sick. This was a real violent act intentionally carried out, apparently for some sort of terrorist/religious/political agenda. This is something that really happened, and real people were really hurt. It is disgusting as an isolated incident by itself, but even moreso as this is a signal of more likely to come, with more terror and violence imposed on more people. Stop using it as a reflex opportunity to just berate or parody Trump and conservatives. This is not something that they did, or could have prevented. Do not pin it on them. If I am wrong there and you think Republicans can and should have prevented this attack, then present your rationale for that, and what they should do in response. Just stop being a jackass in a very disturbing and traumatic time.

Brian

Yea, it's disgusting to see all these high fluettin liberals politicizing a terrorist incident. They should be like the republicans who would never consider such a thing! So glad that God put Trump in charge to safe us from the Muslim hordes bearing down on the US!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Gotta say here---

The responses on this thread are so far overwhelmingly sick. This was a real violent act intentionally carried out, apparently for some sort of terrorist/religious/political agenda. This is something that really happened, and real people were really hurt. It is disgusting as an isolated incident by itself, but even moreso as this is a signal of more likely to come, with more terror and violence imposed on more people. Stop using it as a reflex opportunity to just berate or parody Trump and conservatives. This is not something that they did, or could have prevented. Do not pin it on them. If I am wrong there and you think Republicans can and should have prevented this attack, then present your rationale for that, and what they should do in response. Just stop being a jackass in a very disturbing and traumatic time.

Brian

Yea, it's disgusting to see all these high fluettin liberals politicizing a terrorist incident. They should be like the republicans who would never consider such a thing! So glad that God put Trump in charge to safe us from the Muslim hordes bearing down on the US!

Trump's initial Tweet on Las Vegas

My warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible Las Vegas shooting. God bless you!

In NYC, looks like another attack by a very sick and deranged person. Law enforcement is following this closely. NOT IN THE U.S.A.!

It'd take two hours for Trump to post the "sympathy" Tweet after his initial reaction.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Yea, it's disgusting to see all these high fluettin liberals politicizing a terrorist incident. They should be like the republicans who would never consider such a thing! So glad that God put Trump in charge to safe us from the Muslim hordes bearing down on the US!

Trump's initial Tweet on Las Vegas

My warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible Las Vegas shooting. God bless you!

In NYC, looks like another attack by a very sick and deranged person. Law enforcement is following this closely. NOT IN THE U.S.A.!

It'd take two hours for Trump to post the "sympathy" Tweet after his initial reaction.

The republicans win because they figured out how to scare the bejesus out of people. Immigrants, Muslims, robots, trade, and kneeling are destroying the US, and only republicans can save us! I'm sorry, but it's bullshit. Trees in the US will kill 10 times more Americans than Islamic terrorists in the US. Far far more.

 

[Brian63]

Yea, it's disgusting to see all these high fluettin liberals politicizing a terrorist incident. They should be like the republicans who would never consider such a thing! So glad that God put Trump in charge to safe us from the Muslim hordes bearing down on the US!

It's disgusting to see ANYBODY politicizing or satirizing a terrorist incident.

One of my main points has been repeated several times already, but I suspect it needs to be repeated again...

If you want to have an actual policy discussion, debate, analysis of various ramifications and legalities of the law, then yes definitely have that sort of discussion right now. This is an important time to have that kind of discussion.

If you want to use the suffering of innocent people as an opportunity to make jokes, then just shut your mouth instead. That will be a lot more helpful.

That all by itself should be implicitly obvious, it should not need to be stated explicitly, and it should not need to be repeated explicitly.


It does not matter what your political views are, just do not be a jackass. If it matters to you at all, I am definitely not conservative, and vote generally liberal. I should not have to state that fact though. It simply should be recognized, without saying, that people should not use the suffering of other people as an opportunity for jokes.

Brian

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile:

We also have to come up with punishment that's far quicker and far greater than the punishment these animals are getting right now. They'll go through court for years. At the end, who knows what happens. We need quick justice, and we need strong justice. Much quicker and much stronger than we have right now. Because what we have right now is a joke, and it's a laughing stock. And no wonder so much of this stuff takes place.

Well, let's just assume that whatever the Government says about a suspect is true. Make it quicker and faster, justice isn't important, we can trust people like Donald. W tried this in a manner of speaking with Guantanamo, and we've seen what a nightmare that is judicially. It makes these people almost immune to being tried for crimes. And they are imprisoned for life still!

Trump's initial Tweet on Las Vegas

My warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible Las Vegas shooting. God bless you!

In NYC, looks like another attack by a very sick and deranged person. Law enforcement is following this closely. NOT IN THE U.S.A.!

It'd take two hours for Trump to post the "sympathy" Tweet after his initial reaction.

The republicans win because they figured out how to scare the bejesus out of people. Immigrants, Muslims, robots, trade, and kneeling are destroying the US, and only republicans can save us! I'm sorry, but it's bullshit. Trees in the US will kill 10 times more Americans than Islamic terrorists in the US. Far far more.

Well rich white guys are well ahead of Muslims too.

 

[Underseer]

Grrr....

So you deny that white people are terrorists?

I am not making a statement at all on that issue. The statement that I am actually making is that if you really want to discuss the issue, then it is fine to discuss the issue. Go ahead, absolutely. Just do not use a violent attack on people as opportunity to put on a clown face to make fun of other people.

What has been happening in this thread is not just a discussion, it is not any kind of analysis of various policy proposals and their ramifications.

What has been happening in this thread is that people are making fun of other people.

Suppose someone who was personally themselves affected by this terror attack, either a direct victim themselves or as a friend to someone who was directly killed, for instance. Would you still be here in front of that person making the same sort of usual jokes about Republicans that we always hear? Probably not, you would realize that you were being a complete asshole if you did so. Maybe some posters on this forum actually were personally impacted by this attack. I do not know either way. Making all sorts of satirical jokes about politicians and seeing this violent and gruesome attack as just another opportunity to pile on more, is sick.

So yet again, it is necessary to debate various sorts of issues and policies and laws. What is not necessary is to see this violent horrible attack as an opportunity to just laugh at those politicians you disagree with. Make a case for whatever policy you want, make a case for how to bring about the policy. That is all well and good. If all you are going to do though is laugh, then you should just shut the hell up.

Brian

Then why are you attacking my free speech rights?

 

[Brian63]

I am not. You made my point for me there.

Brian

 

[Harry Bosch]

Yea, it's disgusting to see all these high fluettin liberals politicizing a terrorist incident. They should be like the republicans who would never consider such a thing! So glad that God put Trump in charge to safe us from the Muslim hordes bearing down on the US!

It's disgusting to see ANYBODY politicizing or satirizing a terrorist incident.

One of my main points has been repeated several times already, but I suspect it needs to be repeated again...

If you want to have an actual policy discussion, debate, analysis of various ramifications and legalities of the law, then yes definitely have that sort of discussion right now. This is an important time to have that kind of discussion.

If you want to use the suffering of innocent people as an opportunity to make jokes, then just shut your mouth instead. That will be a lot more helpful.

That all by itself should be implicitly obvious, it should not need to be stated explicitly, and it should not need to be repeated explicitly.


It does not matter what your political views are, just do not be a jackass. If it matters to you at all, I am definitely not conservative, and vote generally liberal. I should not have to state that fact though. It simply should be recognized, without saying, that people should not use the suffering of other people as an opportunity for jokes.

Brian

Oh please! You are the one politicizing this event. 8 Americans died yesterday at the hands of this terrorist. On average, 315 Americans are shot each day. There are 44 Americans murdered each day. Where are the calls to fix this? It is the right that uses terrorist incidents to gain power. And I will call it out each time I see it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It's disgusting to see ANYBODY politicizing or satirizing a terrorist incident.

One of my main points has been repeated several times already, but I suspect it needs to be repeated again...

If you want to have an actual policy discussion, debate, analysis of various ramifications and legalities of the law, then yes definitely have that sort of discussion right now. This is an important time to have that kind of discussion.

If you want to use the suffering of innocent people as an opportunity to make jokes, then just shut your mouth instead. That will be a lot more helpful.

That all by itself should be implicitly obvious, it should not need to be stated explicitly, and it should not need to be repeated explicitly.


It does not matter what your political views are, just do not be a jackass. If it matters to you at all, I am definitely not conservative, and vote generally liberal. I should not have to state that fact though. It simply should be recognized, without saying, that people should not use the suffering of other people as an opportunity for jokes.

Brian

Oh please! You are the one politicizing this event. 8 Americans died yesterday at the hands of this terrorist. On average, 315 Americans are shot each day. There are 44 Americans murdered each day. Where are the calls to fix this? It is the right that uses terrorist incidents to gain power. And I will call it out each time I see it.

This attack occurs, the White House wants to treat the attacker as an "enemy combatant" which is alt-right for "fuck jurisprudence". Trump wants to modify immigration law. Not a damn thing changed after Las Vegas. So yeah, this whole 'we aren't taking it seriously enough' thing really is bullshit. No one here is happy or indifferent for what happened. There is anger at the attacker and the Republican Party that looks to take advantage of this.

Looking at the images of where the truck driver got access, a couple tall bollards next to each other would have worked. What they have now just separates the traffic and keeps idiot teens from doing something stupid at night... maybe. It is incredible he went that far and only hurt less than 20 people. Granted, if you cycle in NYC, you usually need to know how to evade. It is absolutely heart wrenching that five people died that were on a trip up here from Argentina... what is worse is that one survived, and most certainly will have an unbelievably hard time recovering mentally from this.

 

[Brian63]

Oh please! You are the one politicizing this event. 8 Americans died yesterday at the hands of this terrorist. On average, 315 Americans are shot each day. There are 44 Americans murdered each day. Where are the calls to fix this? It is the right that uses terrorist incidents to gain power. And I will call it out each time I see it.

If you want to call them out, then call them out. For the gazillionth time now, I am fully supportive of people advocating preferred policies, including in the time of horrible atrocities. Call your local representatives. Run for office yourself. Do anything and everything to support your view, except when you are seeing the tragedy as an opportunity to be an asshole and get away with it.

Brian

 

[sharon45]

Trees in the US will kill 10 times more Americans than Islamic terrorists in the US. Far far more.

Trees aren't generating $250 million in a year to plot and wage attacks.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Oh please! You are the one politicizing this event. 8 Americans died yesterday at the hands of this terrorist. On average, 315 Americans are shot each day. There are 44 Americans murdered each day. Where are the calls to fix this? It is the right that uses terrorist incidents to gain power. And I will call it out each time I see it.

If you want to call them out, then call them out. For the gazillionth time now, I am fully supportive of people advocating preferred policies, including in the time of horrible atrocities. Call your local representatives. Run for office yourself. Do anything and everything to support your view, except when you are seeing the tragedy as an opportunity to be an asshole and get away with it.

Brian

I probably am challenging you more than is polite. You're probably a nice guy. However, let me quote you, from post #76: "... It is disgusting as an isolated incident by itself, but even moreso as this is a signal of more likely to come, with more terror and violence imposed on more people. The underlined is bullshit. And it must be challenged by good people. There are people on the right, including Trump, who will use this BS to gain power. So you can continue with your outrage, and I will continue to call out the BS. An Islamic wacko tragically killed 8 people yesterday. But we cannot allow this to scare the shit out of people into making bad policy that will weaken our democracy and strengthen the right.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Trees in the US will kill 10 times more Americans than Islamic terrorists in the US. Far far more.

Trees aren't generating $250 million in a year to plot and wage attacks.

Far more americans will die this year in auto accidents hitting a tree. Far more. Do you believe that we should chop down all trees to save these people?

 

[sharon45]

On average, 315 Americans are shot each day. There are 44 Americans murdered each day. Where are the calls to fix this?

I want these fixed.

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Trees aren't generating $250 million in a year to plot and wage attacks.

Far more americans will die this year in auto accidents hitting a tree. Far more. Do you believe that we should chop down all trees to save these people?

Of course not.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

If you want to call them out, then call them out. For the gazillionth time now, I am fully supportive of people advocating preferred policies, including in the time of horrible atrocities. Call your local representatives. Run for office yourself. Do anything and everything to support your view, except when you are seeing the tragedy as an opportunity to be an asshole and get away with it.

Brian

I probably am challenging you more than is polite. You're probably a nice guy.

Yes, he is. I don't completely agree with him on this, but one thing I can say is that he's a good guy.

 

[Brian63]

I probably am challenging you more than is polite.

Please don't stress yourself out with that apology. You might hurt yourself.

this is a signal of more likely to come, with more terror and violence imposed on more people.

The underlined is bullshit. And it must be challenged by good people. There are people on the right, including Trump, who will use this BS to gain power.

Then yes, challenge anyone and everyone who uses the BS to gain power. Just do not be an asshole while you do that. The posts I was criticizing myself were not criticizing people who use tragedies to gain power. The posts I was criticizing were the ones that use tragedy to make jokes, parodies of the people who did not even cause the particular tragedy. There are a helluva lot of sound issues to criticize Trump and other Republicans on. Things that they do. Things that they cause.

They did not cause the terror attack here. It was a religious-political fanatic who did.

If you think Trump and Republicans will use the opportunity to gain unjustified political power, then criticize them for that. If you see any kind of violent atrocity committed as being an opportunity to be an asshole yourself, then that speaks more ill about you than it does any politician.

So you can continue with your outrage, and I will continue to call out the BS.

You are not calling out the BS, you are excreting the BS. Criticize Trump and any politician who exploits any tragedy. Also criticize any message board members who exploits any tragedy. Look in the mirror before you do that though.

An Islamic wacko tragically killed 8 people yesterday. But we cannot allow this to scare the shit out of people into making bad policy that will weaken our democracy and strengthen the right.

I agree completely, just do not be an asshole yourself while you are doing it.

Brian

 

[Brian63]

I probably am challenging you more than is polite. You're probably a nice guy.

Yes, he is. I don't completely agree with him on this, but one thing I can say is that he's a good guy.

Thank you for that.

I am all for people using jokes, satire, parodying politicians for things that they do. Just also recognize that sometimes people do bad things that politicians were not involved in. It is just the people themselves who did the bad thing. Using this as an opportunity to make jokes about politicians is not what our response should be to any kind of horrific event like this, when those politicians did not even cause the tragedy. Criticize them for what they actually do wrong, not things that you want them to do wrong because then it would give you an opportunity to get in a funny joke, all at the expense of the people who did actually suffer. That is just a sick world we live in, if that is what we are becoming.

Brian

 

[Underseer]

Brian, there are plenty of people in this thread using the exact same arguments with the exact same logic, yet I'm the only one who offended you.

That right there says all that needs to be said.