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As Trump ends up in court more and more, we can expect the Trump "save my ass" line to be more and more overtly hostile toward DOJ, law enforcement ... and he will probably get rabid reviews from trumpers for "get rid of these corrupt clowns, abolish the FBI, arrest everyone in SDNY, arrest all the corrupt democrat judges that ruled unfairly against me, line 'em all up against a wall... I won in a landslide". All the Republican politicos who want to inherit X- million trump votes will be forced to agree with the idea of making mass arrests, abolishing existing law enforcement agencies etc. - or face ostracism.

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I don't think you're wrong, but the kind of voters who crossed over for T in '16 are going to be harder to find. He was going to get the angry white folk in '16 without trying. But I would hear people in coffee shops being swayed by some of the things he was ranting about onstage. I'd hear, "You know, it really is too easy to get into this country. He's right!" Or, "There has to be a way to get more things made in this country. He cares about that." Or, "We need someone who understands business in the WH." He got enough of those voters to carve out his electoral win. If the GOP bears down hard on The Big Steal as a theme, they won't bring many of these voters back for a second spin. Only the true believers, the 33%, IMO, looked at Trumpisms like his traitorous Helsinki appearance and the business about putting light and disinfectants into the body, and didn't see how venomous he is. Also, many more Americans know what a complete liar he is, than was the case 5 years back.
Also, consider how potent an issue Jan. 6 could be, if handled right -- Trumpists have blood on their hands. That should be a breaking point for thoughtful independents. The ones who were persuaded in '16 that Hillary's emails had harmed the country (they didn't) won't be easily led by a party that downplays the horror and degradation of what Trump's mob did.
 

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Also, many more Americans know what a complete liar he is, than was the case 5 years back.

I agree with the rest of your post - it all stands to reason and seems almost common sense. The part I quoted above though... I'm not too sure. Some of them are not going to admit to themselves that they voted for a liar, and many more (70% of Republicans) are still choking down The Big Lie. Then there are those who will vote straight Republican tickets as long as Trump isn't at the top of it, ignoring the fact that the candidates they are voting for are favoring the dissolution of democracy. That is pertinent to the midterms.
I tell myself that if 28% of the electorate are Republicans, then 70% of those (The Big Lie believers) comprise only around 20% of the electorate. And maybe the fear of socialism will temper a little between now and 11/22 after Sleepy Joe doesn't steal their guns.
But deeper down, between the trumputin propaganda machine, voter suppression efforts and the predictable disenchantment with the incumbent administration I really expect to see the Dems lose Congress altogether in '22. And I fear that that would open the door for a complete dismantling of democracy, and the installation (by force if necessary) of a Trump or worse* in 2024.

* By "worse" I mean just as malevolent but not as stupid.
 

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Also, many more Americans know what a complete liar he is, than was the case 5 years back.

I agree with the rest of your post - it all stands to reason and seems almost common sense. The part I quoted above though... I'm not too sure. Some of them are not going to admit to themselves that they voted for a liar, and many more (70% of Republicans) are still choking down The Big Lie. Then there are those who will vote straight Republican tickets as long as Trump isn't at the top of it, ignoring the fact that the candidates they are voting for are favoring the dissolution of democracy. That is pertinent to the midterms.
I tell myself that if 28% of the electorate are Republicans, then 70% of those (The Big Lie believers) comprise only around 20% of the electorate. And maybe the fear of socialism will temper a little between now and 11/22 after Sleepy Joe doesn't steal their guns.
But deeper down, between the trumputin propaganda machine, voter suppression efforts and the predictable disenchantment with the incumbent administration I really expect to see the Dems lose Congress altogether in '22. And I fear that that would open the door for a complete dismantling of democracy, and the installation (by force if necessary) of a Trump or worse* in 2024.

* By "worse" I mean just as malevolent but not as stupid.

Hell, they're going to make him President in 2022.

https://conservativehardliner.com/p...republicans-unify-fight-against-election-coup

Trump said:
The major Michigan Election Fraud case has just filed a bombshell pleading claiming votes were intentionally switched from President Trump to Joe Biden. The number of votes is MASSIVE and determinative. This will prove true in numerous other States. All Republicans must UNIFY and not let this happen. If a thief robs a jewelry store of all of its diamonds (the 2020 Presidential Election), the diamonds must be returned. The Fake News media refuses to cover the greatest Election Fraud in the history of our Country. They have lost all credibility, but ultimately, they will have no choice!
 

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Hell, they're going to make him President in 2022.

https://conservativehardliner.com/p...republicans-unify-fight-against-election-coup

Trump said:
The major Michigan Election Fraud case has just filed a bombshell pleading claiming votes were intentionally switched from President Trump to Joe Biden. The number of votes is MASSIVE and determinative. This will prove true in numerous other States. All Republicans must UNIFY and not let this happen. If a thief robs a jewelry store of all of its diamonds (the 2020 Presidential Election), the diamonds must be returned. The Fake News media refuses to cover the greatest Election Fraud in the history of our Country. They have lost all credibility, but ultimately, they will have no choice!

Well, that 'bombshell' appears to be no more than an orange turdshell that has been played out a couple dozen times to dismissal. This is exceedingly unlikely to turn into another Maricopa 'investigation', as the link you provide suggests with their bombast and Big Lies. This is simply just one of the last gasps of court abuse by the MAGAT crowd...

https://www.record-eagle.com/news/j...cle_8e9d9fca-b1d4-11eb-b374-77313af595a5.html
BELLAIRE — A judge has granted a defense motion to quash, or cancel, more than a dozen subpoenas seeking extensive township-level voting data — the latest action in an ongoing election-related lawsuit in Antrim County.

A Central Lake Township man, Bill Bailey, filed suit Nov. 23, accusing the county of voter fraud, and Judge Kevin Elsenheimer on Monday heard arguments on multiple defense motions, including one to ask him to dismiss the case.

Elsenheimer’s decision on whether to dismiss the lawsuit is expected as soon as May 18.
 

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Well, that 'bombshell' appears to be no more than an orange turdshell that has been played out a couple dozen times to dismissal. This is exceedingly unlikely to turn into another Maricopa 'investigation', as the link you provide suggests with their bombast and Big Lies. This is simply just one of the last gasps of court abuse by the MAGAT crowd...

https://www.record-eagle.com/news/j...cle_8e9d9fca-b1d4-11eb-b374-77313af595a5.html
BELLAIRE — A judge has granted a defense motion to quash, or cancel, more than a dozen subpoenas seeking extensive township-level voting data — the latest action in an ongoing election-related lawsuit in Antrim County.

A Central Lake Township man, Bill Bailey, filed suit Nov. 23, accusing the county of voter fraud, and Judge Kevin Elsenheimer on Monday heard arguments on multiple defense motions, including one to ask him to dismiss the case.

Elsenheimer’s decision on whether to dismiss the lawsuit is expected as soon as May 18.

The fact that counties won’t give up voting data will simply be used as proof that they are covering up fraud.

The Trump supporters will never be deterred. Never.
 

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Well, that 'bombshell' appears to be no more than an orange turdshell that has been played out a couple dozen times to dismissal. This is exceedingly unlikely to turn into another Maricopa 'investigation', as the link you provide suggests with their bombast and Big Lies. This is simply just one of the last gasps of court abuse by the MAGAT crowd...

https://www.record-eagle.com/news/j...cle_8e9d9fca-b1d4-11eb-b374-77313af595a5.html
BELLAIRE — A judge has granted a defense motion to quash, or cancel, more than a dozen subpoenas seeking extensive township-level voting data — the latest action in an ongoing election-related lawsuit in Antrim County.

A Central Lake Township man, Bill Bailey, filed suit Nov. 23, accusing the county of voter fraud, and Judge Kevin Elsenheimer on Monday heard arguments on multiple defense motions, including one to ask him to dismiss the case.

Elsenheimer’s decision on whether to dismiss the lawsuit is expected as soon as May 18.

The fact that counties won’t give up voting data will simply be used as proof that they are covering up fraud.

The Trump supporters will never be deterred. Never.

Well, it's become a religion. Their beliefs can't be falsified. They are dangerous and should not be allowed to hold office.
 

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Hell, they're going to make him President in 2022.

I could well be wrong (which would not be unusual) but my sense is that they're going to need the interim (2022-2024) to "soften up the ground" for the abolition of democracy. Most Americans are not yet ready to say "fuck it, let the fascists have the Country". But we area growing wearier by the day, of their lies and distortions. At some point general apathy is going to take over.
 

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Opinion | This is how Donald Trump becomes president again - The Washington Post
Not because he’d get more Americans to vote for him; barring some kind of unforeseen catastrophe, it’s difficult to see that happening. But because his party has so aggressively worked to twist and corrupt the U.S. electoral system, he could clearly lose both the popular and electoral votes and still become president again.
"Step one: Trump decides to run, and obliterates the primary field."

Some of his potential rivals have gone on record as stating that they will not run if Trump runs.

"Step two: Republican voter suppression measures have an impact."
But contained in many of those bills are direct attacks on local elected officials, meant to intimidate them with threats of prosecution and enable GOP-controlled state legislatures to seize power from them. It’s entirely possible that we’ll see power struggles in state after state where local officials trying to administer fair and free elections are usurped by legislatures loyal to Trump who manage to to put a thumb — or a whole hand — on the scale in his favor.
"Step three: GOP state legislatures step in."
There could be a number of states where the Democratic candidate (Joe Biden, if he seeks reelection, or someone else) wins the majority of the vote, and the Republicans who find that outcome unacceptable simply refuse to approve it. This almost happened in 2020; you might remember how Trump summoned Pennsylvania legislators to the White House to have a conversation about their state’s votes. But in the end, his bidding was not done.
"Step four: Republicans in the House of Representatives take control."

Because when a Presidential election is thrown into the House, each state delegation has one vote, and there are more Republican-controlled state delegations than Democratic ones.
 

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If that happens, we no longer have representative government. The founders saddled us with an electoral college system which has, on five occasions already, given us Presidents who lost the popular vote to an opponent (J. Q. Adams in 1824, Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, Bush II in '00, and He Who Shall Remain Unnamed in '16.) It's a system which makes a mockery of "the will of the people", and it's a system the GOP thinks it can game.
So... the post above could be right. One can only hope that 1) minority leaders play a smarter game and get voters registered and charged up, and 2) the demographics continue to erode the GOPs core constituency, and 3) that somewhere, maybe swelling in some oven as I write this, there's a Krispy Kreme with that orange lardass's name on it. The Last Krispy Kreme.
 

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Matt Gaetz Believes He Could Beat Joe Biden in 2024 - YouTube at Let's Talk Elections

Would MTG be his Vice President?

The State of the 2024 Republican Presidential Primary - YouTube

Mentions bets at predictit.com and also  2024 United States presidential election I add Presidential candidates, 2024 - Ballotpedia

The Democratic side is simple. If Joe Biden runs again, he's likely to be nominated, and if he doesn't run again, then his VP Kamala Harris is likely to be nominated.

The Republican side is more complicated. Donald Trump is favored by at least 50% of the voters, while the rest is split between several candidates. Ron DeSantis has been gaining in support, to where he is now neck-and-neck with Mike Pence. Ted Cruz and Don Jr. are behind them, and now neck-and-neck, and further behind are Nikki Haley, Mitt Romney, and Marco Rubio.


The Let's Talk Elections host mentioned PredictIt a site that's full of betting on political issues. The "yes price" varies between 0c and 100c, from certainly false to certainly true.

2024 Presidential Predictions | 2024 Democratic Nominee? JB 43c, KH 38c, Pete Buttigieg 6c, AOC 6c, Elizabeth Warren 4c, Bernie Sanders 3c, Hillary Clinton 3c

2022 Political Predictions | Will Trump file for president before 2022? - 15c
2022 Political Predictions | Will Trump file for president before 2023? - 33c
Who will be the 2024 Republican nominee? | Political Betting Odds - Trump 27c, Ron DeSantis 23c, Nikki Haley 10c, Ted Cruz 6c, Mike Pence 6c, Kristi Noem 6c, Tim Scott 5c, Mike Pompeo 4c, Tucker Carlson 4c, Tom Cotton 4c, Donald Trump Jr, 4c, Marco Rubio 4c, Josh Hawley 4c, Mitt Romney 3c, Rick Scott 3c, Larry Hogan 3c
 

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Fox Corp. Board Member Paul Ryan Unironically Urges Republicans To Reject Trump

Wonder what those board meetings are like.

Republicans “will not be impressed by the sight of yes-men and flatterers flocking to Mar-a-Lago,” said the former House speaker, who sits on the Fox board.

But this line really got my attention

And here’s the reality that we have to face: If the conservative cause depends on the populist appeal of one personality, or on second-rate imitations, then we’re not going anywhere.
Said in a speech at the Reagan library. :rolleyes:
 

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Matt Gaetz Believes He Could Beat Joe Biden in 2024 - YouTube at Let's Talk Elections

Would MTG be his Vice President?

The State of the 2024 Republican Presidential Primary - YouTube

Mentions bets at predictit.com and also  2024 United States presidential election I add Presidential candidates, 2024 - Ballotpedia

The Democratic side is simple. If Joe Biden runs again, he's likely to be nominated, and if he doesn't run again, then his VP Kamala Harris is likely to be nominated.

The Republican side is more complicated. Donald Trump is favored by at least 50% of the voters, while the rest is split between several candidates. Ron DeSantis has been gaining in support, to where he is now neck-and-neck with Mike Pence. Ted Cruz and Don Jr. are behind them, and now neck-and-neck, and further behind are Nikki Haley, Mitt Romney, and Marco Rubio.


The Let's Talk Elections host mentioned PredictIt a site that's full of betting on political issues. The "yes price" varies between 0c and 100c, from certainly false to certainly true.

2024 Presidential Predictions | 2024 Democratic Nominee? JB 43c, KH 38c, Pete Buttigieg 6c, AOC 6c, Elizabeth Warren 4c, Bernie Sanders 3c, Hillary Clinton 3c

2022 Political Predictions | Will Trump file for president before 2022? - 15c
2022 Political Predictions | Will Trump file for president before 2023? - 33c
Who will be the 2024 Republican nominee? | Political Betting Odds - Trump 27c, Ron DeSantis 23c, Nikki Haley 10c, Ted Cruz 6c, Mike Pence 6c, Kristi Noem 6c, Tim Scott 5c, Mike Pompeo 4c, Tucker Carlson 4c, Tom Cotton 4c, Donald Trump Jr, 4c, Marco Rubio 4c, Josh Hawley 4c, Mitt Romney 3c, Rick Scott 3c, Larry Hogan 3c

I live in Maryland and what is really sad is that Hogan has been a rather really good governor, very reasonable. Progressive even. Too bad that Maryland is a small state and that he has little influence outside of it. There once was a VP from Maryland, but we won't go there for any history.
 

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So DeSantis edges out Trump in a straw poll for 2024 presidential candidate. Is Trump mum on this?
While not having half-baked and four years crazier Trump run, I’m more concerned with KH running in 2024 for the Dems. In this sense, I feel Biden painted the Dems into a corner having someone who got lost in the grass so early in the 2020 primaries as the heir apparent for 2024.
 

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Because the new movie is coming out later this year, I'm starting to wonder if Trump is just a shitty GOP knockoff of Paul Atreidies. Obviously, for the analogy to work, you have to use the first three books and not just the one everyone has heard of.

So Trump winning in 2016 was the breaking through the shield wall and marching into Arrakeen moment. Then throughout the Trump presidency, you have the events of Dune Messiah, where the cracks are showing on Paul Atreides golden path. In the book, "old power" like The Guild and Bene Gesserit started undermining this upstart, much like Bush Republicans came out in droves denouncing Trump. Then in Children of Dune, the fascistic religion of Muad'dib took over and Paul Atreides was simply a blind man in the desert no one listened to anymore. The MAGA religion has taken a life of its own with people like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor-Greene being the Alia and Javid of this new religion.

Just so we're clear; the reason why I like this analogy is the idea of Trump slowly fading away in obscurity moaning against a movement he helped build is so very appealing. I don't think his ego could handle it.
 

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Donald J. Trump is the greatest President ever — everybody says so. But the country needs to face the sad prospect that this great man will be unable to serve in 2025. For one thing, he may be indicted in New York — a state run by the baby-killing child-enslaving pro-Taliban communists — and subject to arrest if he visits any state run by the coastal liberal elites.

With several swing states — Arizona, Florida, Georgia and North Carolina — determined to let the GOP rather than voters determine election outcomes, and coal miners in the swing state of Pennsylvania becoming increasingly aware that Biden and Harris are Marxists who are planting electronic trackers in the bloodstreams of patriotic Americans (and targeting a $900/barrel oil price), it is clear that the Ds will have no chance in the 2024 election. But who will become the 47th President of the U.S.A.? Which Republican will get this honor? Tucker Carlson? Maria Bartiromo? Josh Hawley or MTG? Who are the Rs going to run? Vladimir Putin is their top strategic thinker, but he wasn't born in the U.S.A.

Ivanka seems to be deserting her father despite the great love he has professed for her. And Charles Koch may draw the line at nominating a certified imbecile like Donald Jr. So who will carry the MAGA banner in 2024?

Attention focuses on the top contender, Rafael Edward Cruz. A brilliant man, whose own father allegedly freed the country from JFK's fascist boot. Watch this TV show sing his praises:
[YOUTUBE]XclzaJ2R8pk[/YOUTUBE]
 

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Because the new movie is coming out later this year, I'm starting to wonder if Trump is just a shitty GOP knockoff of Paul Atreidies. Obviously, for the analogy to work, you have to use the first three books and not just the one everyone has heard of.

So Trump winning in 2016 was the breaking through the shield wall and marching into Arrakeen moment. Then throughout the Trump presidency, you have the events of Dune Messiah, where the cracks are showing on Paul Atreides golden path. In the book, "old power" like The Guild and Bene Gesserit started undermining this upstart, much like Bush Republicans came out in droves denouncing Trump. Then in Children of Dune, the fascistic religion of Muad'dib took over and Paul Atreides was simply a blind man in the desert no one listened to anymore. The MAGA religion has taken a life of its own with people like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor-Greene being the Alia and Javid of this new religion.

Just so we're clear; the reason why I like this analogy is the idea of Trump slowly fading away in obscurity moaning against a movement he helped build is so very appealing. I don't think his ego could handle it.
I get the idea, but Clownstick seems to be a better fit with Baron Vladimir Harkonnen in other ways:

Baron-Trump.jpg
 

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According to the Betfair prediction market, Ted Cruz is tied (with Ivanka Trump) as fifth-most likely GOP nominee for President in 2024. (D. Trump, DeSantis, Haley and Pence are the top 4.)


Speaking of Ted Cruz, what are the rules guiding Senate Committees? Can the Chairman order a Senator who refuses to stifle himself to be bound and gagged?
[YOUTUBE]S9gYtmBHNVA[/YOUTUBE]
 

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Dozens of people walked out of a rally in Ohio over the weekend as former President Donald Trump was speaking.

The Saturday evening event in Wellington was Trump's first official rally since being ousted from the White House.

According to a report in The New York Times, Trump used the rally to repeatedly and falsely claim that the 2020 presidential election was fraudulent.

"Yet in the audience and on the stage, the scene in Ohio on Saturday was reflective of how diminished Mr. Trump has become in his post-presidency, and how reliant he is on a smaller group of allies and supporters who have adopted his alternate reality as their own," New York Times correspondent Jeremy Peters explained. "One of the event's headliners was Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, the far-right Republican who has promoted the QAnon conspiracy theory."

"Mr. Trump's speech — low-key, digressive and nearly 90 minutes long — fell flat at times with an otherwise adoring audience," the report added. "Scores of people left early as he bounced from topic to topic — immigration, Israel, Speaker Nancy Pelosi's protective mask."

'Scores of people left early': Trump supporters walked out of rally after his speech 'fell flat'
 

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No need to wait for '24. I have been selected to play second trombone in the Ottawa County Marching Oompah Band as the Trump ReInaugural on Aug 13 in DC. We're going to march by the reviewing stand and everything. We're rehearsing a medley of You'll Never Walk Alone/Boogie Fever/Battle Hymn of the Republic, and it will be fabulous. Plus we all get a My Pillow for the bus ride back to Ohio. Jealous?
 

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No need to wait for '24. I have been selected to play second trombone in the Ottawa County Marching Oompah Band as the Trump ReInaugural on Aug 13 in DC. We're going to march by the reviewing stand and everything. We're rehearsing a medley of You'll Never Walk Alone/Boogie Fever/Battle Hymn of the Republic, and it will be fabulous. Plus we all get a My Pillow for the bus ride back to Ohio. Jealous?

Wow!
 

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No need to wait for '24. I have been selected to play second trombone in the Ottawa County Marching Oompah Band as the Trump ReInaugural on Aug 13 in DC. We're going to march by the reviewing stand and everything. We're rehearsing a medley of You'll Never Walk Alone/Boogie Fever/Battle Hymn of the Republic, and it will be fabulous. Plus we all get a My Pillow for the bus ride back to Ohio. Jealous?

That has been moved back to October.
 

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Fuck, this is delightful:

“THERE’S GOING TO BE A BLOWUP”: TRUMP AND DESANTIS ARE ON A COLLISION COURSE

On June 30, the conservative Washington Examiner reported that DeSantis’s team was furious that Trump intended to hold a MAGA rally in Florida while the search for survivors continued (DeSantis didn’t attend the rally). On July 1, DeSantis appeared alongside President Joe Biden and praised him for the federal government’s response to the tragedy.

“There’s going to be a blowup,” a prominent Republican said. “Trump fucking hates DeSantis. He just resents his popularity,” a Trump confidant told me.

Trump has royally fucked himself. He's too toxic to ever win another general election but too much of an arrogant cunt to allow anyone else succeed him. I hope those two facts are gnawing away at him in his private moments.
 

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No need to wait for '24. I have been selected to play second trombone in the Ottawa County Marching Oompah Band as the Trump ReInaugural on Aug 13 in DC. We're going to march by the reviewing stand and everything. We're rehearsing a medley of You'll Never Walk Alone/Boogie Fever/Battle Hymn of the Republic, and it will be fabulous. Plus we all get a My Pillow for the bus ride back to Ohio. Jealous?

why isn't YMCA part of the medley?
 

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Trump easily wins CPAC 2024 GOP presidential nomination straw poll | Fox News
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Trump, DeSantis lead CPAC straw poll | TheHill

"A straw poll from the annual CPAC in February, showed Trump with 55 percent of the vote, followed by DeSantis at 21 percent and Noem at 4 percent. Without Trump in the mix, DeSantis received 43 percent of the vote."

noting
Forbes on Twitter: "#BREAKING: Former President Trump wins the #CPAC straw poll for 2024 GOP presidential nominee, with Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) winning the straw poll for a race in which Trump doesn't run. (vid link)" / Twitter

He got 70%. Ron DeSantis got 21%, and everybody else got at most 1% - Rand Paul, Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz, Tucker Carlson, Kristi Noem, Mike Pompeo, Greg Abbott, Mike Pence, Ben Carson, Josh Hawley, Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton, Charlie Baker, John Kasich, Larry Hogan, Mitt Romney.

Without him, Ron DeSantis got 68%, Mike Pompeo 5%, Don Jr., Ted Cruz, 4%, Kristi Noem 3%, Rand Paul, Tucker Carlson 2%, all the at most 1%.

So it's Trump > DeSantis > everybody else.
 

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Latest news from Mar-A-Largo is Trumpo has now declared he will run for re-election in 2024. This is what he is telling close associates. Of course this is if he is not in prison or tied up in 101 court cases then. This means we will have a truly nasty, insane, expensive primary season, a real hell circus. A rabid raccoon cage fight.
 

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Primary season could possibly not happen, and we jump straight into the general election on November 9, 2022. No one can challenge Trump. 2/3 of the GOP is eating his salad and the remainder don't have enough pull to defeat him. It would be something of extraordinary depression if the GOP actually renominated the guy who incited a riot that required evacuating the Capitol Building.
 

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Primary season could possibly not happen, and we jump straight into the general election on November 9, 2022. No one can challenge Trump. 2/3 of the GOP is eating his salad and the remainder don't have enough pull to defeat him. It would be something of extraordinary depression if the GOP actually renominated the guy who incited a riot that required evacuating the Capitol Building.

It's not too surprising, they've been avid supporters of violent regime change as a valid form of governmental transition for many decades now; it was just always in other countries before. But they see "liberal America" as a foreign nation now, so those standards can apply to us, too. They were just waiting for the right figurehead to come along.
 

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https://www.rawstory.com/mike-pence-2024-2653910444/

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However, former national security adviser John Bolton told Politico that his PAC's polling data found only about a third of Republicans believe the ex-president is the strongest candidate for 2024, while 52 percent would prefer a "fresh face" -- although he concedes Trump's shadow would still loom over that election.
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This isn't looking good for Orango The Clown. Most Republicans seem to be tired of Orango and his antics.
 

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McCarthy went to speak with Trump in person.

Anyone who thinks Trump is done hasn't been paying attention. 2016 was a wake up call. The number of votes he received while running against a stalwart moderate Democrat was another wake up call. His insurrection going unpunished by the GOP was another. Trump isn't done. The GOP just won't make it happen. At the moment, Trump is the only position the right-wing appears to care about.

And unlike the Neocons, the world really does seem to operate different for Trump.
 

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McCarthy went to speak with Trump in person.

Anyone who thinks Trump is done hasn't been paying attention. 2016 was a wake up call. The number of votes he received while running against a stalwart moderate Democrat was another wake up call. His insurrection going unpunished by the GOP was another. Trump isn't done. The GOP just won't make it happen. At the moment, Trump is the only position the right-wing appears to care about.

And unlike the Neocons, the world really does seem to operate different for Trump.

Either Trump is done or America is done.
I am more and more convinced that ‘22 will tell the end of the story.
If trump Nazis are allowed to overturn election results, it’s fucking OVER.
 

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Michael Cohen thinks Trump won't actually run. I'm not so sure.

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/WSsaxj-NwJ0[/YOUTUBE]

I don't have a time stamp but it's in here somewhere
 

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McCarthy went to speak with Trump in person.

Anyone who thinks Trump is done hasn't been paying attention. 2016 was a wake up call. The number of votes he received while running against a stalwart moderate Democrat was another wake up call. His insurrection going unpunished by the GOP was another. Trump isn't done. The GOP just won't make it happen. At the moment, Trump is the only position the right-wing appears to care about.

And unlike the Neocons, the world really does seem to operate different for Trump.

Trump isn't "done" yet, but if i were the GOP, I'd be very concerned about the wisdom of hitching their wagon to him in the long term. Yes, he got a lot of votes against a stalwart moderate Democrat. Yes, he bulldozed over stalwart Republicans to win the nomination. But now they're in a bind. Trump - and folks like Gaetz and Greene trying to out-crazy Trump - really fire up the base and make a lot of noise, but elections are won through turnout, swing voters, and pocketbook issues.

In 2020, Trump lost swing voters very badly, the Democrats won the turnout ground game, and the fact that we were in an economic pit following a bungled pandemic response didn't help. Yet despite getting shellacked in not only the Presidential race, but losing the Senate and House, the GOP kinda has to stick with the guy who lost them everything. They're between a rock and a crazed Trump base. If they waver even a little, his supporters get out the noose. If they stick with him, they could lose again. Remember, he lost to "sleepy Joe." The most milquetoast, moderate, unoffensive choice the Democrats could muster. In normal times, this would cause a political party to reevaluate their approach or face another defeat. The Republicans can't do that, or they alienate the Red Hats and lose even more bigly.

On top of that, we've got next year's election. Conventional wisdom is that the incumbent President's party loses seats - and sometimes one or both houses of Congress - in the mid terms. This is usually because all the sunshine and rainbows (or hope and change) campaign promises don't manifest themselves in the short two years available, and so voters - especially swing voters - can be swayed. 2010 was basically a referendum on Obama's handling of the post Great Recession, and while slow and steady may win the race for a tortoise, it doesn't work in the "what have you done for me lately" world of US politics.

This time might be very different. If the pandemic recovery continues at it's present pace, those pocketbooks are going to be a lot fatter a year from now, the swing voters will be coming off a year of the kids back in school, being back in the office, going back to sporting events and concerts, and life returning to "normal," with a booming stock market, low unemployment, and other economic indicators going strong for a long time. If (and this is a very big Delta Variant if) this trend continues, then all the Democrats have to do in order to win 2022 is very loudly take credit for all of it, and remind those swing voters where they were under Trump. Even if they're only able to eke out a win, it will put Trump and Trumpism even farther away in the rear view mirror. If sticking with Trump loses them another election, is the Grand Old Party going to stick with him until 2024?

There's only been one President who lost an election and then came back to win again 4 years later. Is Trump really going to be the next Grover Cleveland? I have my doubts.
 

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Michael Cohen thinks Trump won't actually run. I'm not so sure.

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/WSsaxj-NwJ0[/YOUTUBE]

I don't have a time stamp but it's in here somewhere

About 1 hour 05 minutes...

But i agree. I don't think he wanted the job in 2016. Scott Adams said he believed that Trump wanted to succeed as President. But Trump saw winning the office as the success. Turned out people wanted results, expected him to actually work. Not something he's interested in. And rather than 4 years of people congratulating him on the election, they wanted action, choices, all that shit.
 

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I just went wiki on Grover Cleveland. In his comeback year, 1892, he received 46.0% of the popular vote (in a 3-way race.) Last year, Trump won 46.8% of the vote (after my friends and I stowed bushel baskets of Trump votes in my basement. Come see. I light fires with 'em to make Biden s'mores.)
Trump redux? He'll be an even fatter, slower 78-year-old. (I know, here's Uncle Joe, he's movin' kinda slow, at the junction. I get it.)
I'm an optimist, and I keep thinking that Trump's constant state of rage will manifest in a major stroke, which will incapacitate him from doing the continual damage to the country that he does every stinking day of his life.
 

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Trump redux? He'll be an even fatter, slower 78-year-old. (I know, here's Uncle Joe, he's movin' kinda slow, at the junction. I get it.)
I'm an optimist, and I keep thinking that Trump's constant state of rage will manifest in a major stroke, which will incapacitate him from doing the continual damage to the country that he does every stinking day of his life.

Good news: I think you're right. By 2024 Trump will be too indicted, too infirm, or too deranged to run.
Bad news: Trump has transformed the GOP. Whoever they DO run will be just as evil, but more competent (and hence more dangerous) than the Orange Buffoon.

Worse news: In the near-term expect GOP electoral successes. Neither Harris nor a very old Biden will be a good candidate. Even if the D's win on points, expect R governors (or Scotus by a 5-4 vote) to award close elections to the R's.
 

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McCarthy went to speak with Trump in person.

Anyone who thinks Trump is done hasn't been paying attention. 2016 was a wake up call. The number of votes he received while running against a stalwart moderate Democrat was another wake up call. His insurrection going unpunished by the GOP was another. Trump isn't done. The GOP just won't make it happen. At the moment, Trump is the only position the right-wing appears to care about.

And unlike the Neocons, the world really does seem to operate different for Trump.

Beating an uncharismatic woman with a ton of baggage on her back was no great feat.

What was big was crushing all the Republican candidates and showing the real thinking of Republican voters.

Republican politicians have been lying and distorting and playing to meaningless wedge issues for so long they have created an insane constituency.

Trump supporters are untethered from reality.

But Trump didn't untie the rope.
 

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Trump redux? He'll be an even fatter, slower 78-year-old. (I know, here's Uncle Joe, he's movin' kinda slow, at the junction. I get it.)
I'm an optimist, and I keep thinking that Trump's constant state of rage will manifest in a major stroke, which will incapacitate him from doing the continual damage to the country that he does every stinking day of his life.

Good news: I think you're right. By 2024 Trump will be too indicted, too infirm, or too deranged to run.
Bad news: Trump has transformed the GOP. Whoever they DO run will be just as evil, but more competent (and hence more dangerous) than the Orange Buffoon.

Worse news: In the near-term expect GOP electoral successes. Neither Harris nor a very old Biden will be a good candidate. Even if the D's win on points, expect R governors (or Scotus by a 5-4 vote) to award close elections to the R's.

There's a boulder of truth in what you say. But...there's always the charisma factor in American politics. Our voters often make a shallow decision based on the impact of personality. Someone could come up from either party who will carry the field with an appealing or compelling presence. Who was talking about Obama in '04? He didn't come across as a major player until the '08 primary season. I agree with your comment about Harris and Biden, but there's always the factor of the unemerged champion. On the Repub side, they don't right now have an obvious replacement for the Skidmark, especially someone who could drag some independents into the ranks.
It's still way too close for comfort. That Trump, after letting covid overrun the country, could still get 46% of the electorate to endorse him for a second term, makes me despair for our long-term stability as a nation. (Forget covid, his birtherism beginning around 2011 should've branded him as a thoroughly unacceptable and contemptible liar and lout.)
 

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Trump redux? He'll be an even fatter, slower 78-year-old. (I know, here's Uncle Joe, he's movin' kinda slow, at the junction. I get it.)
I'm an optimist, and I keep thinking that Trump's constant state of rage will manifest in a major stroke, which will incapacitate him from doing the continual damage to the country that he does every stinking day of his life.

Good news: I think you're right. By 2024 Trump will be too indicted, too infirm, or too deranged to run.

If he's alive at all, he'll be the Tweet behind the throne of anyone who does run.
 

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article said:
Voters in North Texas delivered an upset Tuesday, picking GOP state Rep. Jake Ellzey to fill a vacant House seat over a candidate endorsed by former President Donald Trump.

Ellzey beat fellow Republican Susan Wright, the widow of former Rep. Ron Wright, 53 percent to 47 percent, when the Associated Press called the low-turnout, Republican-vs.-Republican runoff. Though Ellzey was better funded, Wright leaned heavily on her backing from the former president, who often plays kingmaker in Republican primaries.

Trump crashed into the race during the first round of voting in May, tapping Wright out of a crowded all-party primary and turning the contest into an early test of his post-presidency clout. He held two tele-town halls for her and taped a robocall for her, making the loss more painful.
Trump seems to really excite Trump voters, but only if Trump is running. Elizey was supported locally by the GOP machine, which again shows that when the GOP wants what they want, they usually can get it. So why they are still providing a life line to Trump is beyond my imagination.

Meanwhile, in the AG race in Texas between scandal plagued Paxton and Jeb Bush's son George (we have no other ideas for names) Bush, Georgie was tossing Trump's salad like crazy like a gutless coward. And Trump came out and backed Paxton. I'm not even certain Trump knows what he is doing.

Meanwhilewhile, in Georgia, Trump's favorite black guy, Herschel Walker, who Trump nominated to run for Senate, has been getting a bit more under the microscope and people read his book... and allegations against him, which is really making a run for US Senate hard. Almost as hard as the fact he doesn't live in Georgia... something Georgians care a bit about.
 

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In a run off election in Texas, the Trump backed candidate was defeated. Turn out was light. If in a red district in a red state, Trump was not a decisive factor in an election, he is not going to be a big electoral king maker as some think.
 

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In a run off election in Texas, the Trump backed candidate was defeated. Turn out was light. If in a red district in a red state, Trump was not a decisive factor in an election, he is not going to be a big electoral king maker as some think.
His coat tails are nonexistent. Red hats are willing to storm the Capitol for (and only for) Trump. But his significance, as far as the GOP Is concerned, isn't minor.
 

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In a run off election in Texas, the Trump backed candidate was defeated. Turn out was light. If in a red district in a red state, Trump was not a decisive factor in an election, he is not going to be a big electoral king maker as some think.
His coat tails are nonexistent. Red hats are willing to storm the Capitol for (and only for) Trump. But his significance, as far as the GOP Is concerned, isn't minor.
He's like one of those wrestlers, those guys have a definite following. Orange even gets introduced in his rallies similarly because his fans love it. I'd keep milking that cash cow too.

But among non wrestling fans he isn't riding as high. So sure, he has a following, but not enough to win in 2024.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...w-poll-say-it-would-be-bad-for-the-country-if

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A majority of Americans in a new poll think it would be bad for the country if former President Trump runs for office in 2024.

The survey, conducted by Quinnipiac University, found that 60 percent of respondents said it would be bad for the country if Trump were to launch a bid for president in 2024.
Thirty-two percent of respondents, however, said another Trump campaign would be good for the country.
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Only 32% want Trump. Sounds like a recipe for political failure. The 2024 GOP primaries are going to be fun.
 
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