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And now we have Marjorie Taylor Greene and Sarah Palin making noises about running for president. This could be a real freak show in 2024. Oh yes, and DeSantis.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...w-poll-say-it-would-be-bad-for-the-country-if

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A majority of Americans in a new poll think it would be bad for the country if former President Trump runs for office in 2024.

The survey, conducted by Quinnipiac University, found that 60 percent of respondents said it would be bad for the country if Trump were to launch a bid for president in 2024.
Thirty-two percent of respondents, however, said another Trump campaign would be good for the country.
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Only 32% want Trump. Sounds like a recipe for political failure. The 2024 GOP primaries are going to be fun.

Not sure why the GOP would be concerned about that, their plan is to steal the election anyway, so it does not matter what the majority of Americans want, or how large that majority is.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...w-poll-say-it-would-be-bad-for-the-country-if

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A majority of Americans in a new poll think it would be bad for the country if former President Trump runs for office in 2024.

The survey, conducted by Quinnipiac University, found that 60 percent of respondents said it would be bad for the country if Trump were to launch a bid for president in 2024.
Thirty-two percent of respondents, however, said another Trump campaign would be good for the country.
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Only 32% want Trump. Sounds like a recipe for political failure. The 2024 GOP primaries are going to be fun.

Not sure why the GOP would be concerned about that, their plan is to steal the election anyway, so it does not matter what the majority of Americans want, or how large that majority is.
Looks like the question was about a Trump campaign, not a Trump presidency.

And, yeah, two years of Trump convoys running other candidates' busses off the road? Trump insulting everyone around him, with or without the slightest fact involved? Two years of maximum media access for Twitterman? Two years of Democrats trying to review his record, long, long lists of his every crime and impeachment?

Much better for everyone, on both sides, if he keeps teasingly vague about whether or not he'll run. Then just announces his candidacy on Halloween and the legislatures throw the votes his way.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...w-poll-say-it-would-be-bad-for-the-country-if

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A majority of Americans in a new poll think it would be bad for the country if former President Trump runs for office in 2024.

The survey, conducted by Quinnipiac University, found that 60 percent of respondents said it would be bad for the country if Trump were to launch a bid for president in 2024.
Thirty-two percent of respondents, however, said another Trump campaign would be good for the country.
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Only 32% want Trump. Sounds like a recipe for political failure. The 2024 GOP primaries are going to be fun.

There were similar polls before his first campaign; he wasn't taken seriously, until he was.
 

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He was taken seriously in 2020. See what happened then? If Orango The Clown officially runs in 2024, he will be taken seriously. But he will not win. It is then just a matter of how bad that hurts the GOP down ballot.
 

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He was taken seriously in 2020. See what happened then? If Orango The Clown officially runs in 2024, he will be taken seriously. But he will not win. It is then just a matter of how bad that hurts the GOP down ballot.

I don't think that's a given at all. If it were a fair fight, maybe his cause would be hopeless. But it won't be a fair fight.
 

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No, it is not going to be a fair fight if he runs. It is going to be scorched earth from the anti-Trump forces. In the mean time, lots of lawsuits are still in play against Orango. And the January 6 Inquiry will be done and over. Trumpo will support many extreme loonies as Trump approved down ballot candidates that will demonstrate why he is still stupid and extreme. It ain't 2016 any more.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...w-poll-say-it-would-be-bad-for-the-country-if

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A majority of Americans in a new poll think it would be bad for the country if former President Trump runs for office in 2024.

The survey, conducted by Quinnipiac University, found that 60 percent of respondents said it would be bad for the country if Trump were to launch a bid for president in 2024.
Thirty-two percent of respondents, however, said another Trump campaign would be good for the country.
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Only 32% want Trump. Sounds like a recipe for political failure. The 2024 GOP primaries are going to be fun.

However, what Americans think is not important in our rigged system.

Two private organizations, the DNC and the RNC will decide on all the viable candidates. They'll go through the motions of holding primaries, but they're private organizations and don't have to do anything they don't want to do.

Then we'll hold a show election, but again it doesn't matter who the American people vote for. State legislatures choose EC delegates, and the EC delegates appoint a president. To quote Nikita Khrushchev, "The people? The people?! The people have no say!"

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/for-some-candidates-trump-endorsement-actually-kiss-of-death

How much did Trumpo's endorsement of GOP candidates help in 2018 - 2020? Analysis of the elections show he did not help.

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Ultimately, we found that Trump’s endorsements cost Republicans 16 seats – exactly 20% of the 80 candidates he endorsed. That represented 12 in the House of Representatives and four in the Senate.
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I do not see any better results in 2024. This is especially going to fail in those states that are not deep red, where Independents matter a lot. The GOP is getting a reputation as the party of Covid, insurrection and racism.
 

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The tell will be the 2022 result. (Not sure why none of y'all are talking about that.)

If gerrymandering and voter suppression give the Trumpublicans control of both houses of Congress, then TomC is right - it doesn't matter who votes for whom in 2024, it will be Trump or his heir to the throne. In that case, we should hope for Trump since anyone else selected by the Nazi alliance would likely be far less stupid and inept.

If, at the other extreme, events like the 1/6 investigation, pending lawsuits and criminal investigations conspire to enable Dems to swim upstream and gain real (sans DINOs) congressional control, it is likely that we will have seen the last of the Trumputinazis for a while.

In the very unlikely event that Congress stays the same after 2022, I think 2024 favors the abolition of democracy almost as much as would a 2022 rout by the GQP.
 

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If a politician visits Iowa, it is a good indicator that he/she wants to run for President. Iowa's caucuses are the first primary event in a Presidential campaign, and that's a very obvious reason. What other big attractions does Iowa have?

Donald Trump will hold rally at Iowa State Fairgrounds on Oct. 9

Trump to head to Iowa with an eye on 2024 - POLITICO
Trump’s vice president Mike Pence, as well as his former UN ambassador, Nikki Haley, and secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, have all traveled to Iowa this year for GOP fundraisers or to address conservatives in the state. So too have South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, and Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), fueling speculation they are testing the waters for a presidential run.

2024 GOP battleground takes shape in Iowa | TheHill
Former President Trump, who garnered the attention of campaign watchers last month when he hired two Republican operatives in Iowa, is slated to hold a rally in the Hawkeye State in the near future.

Meanwhile, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) traveled to Iowa last month to campaign with Rep. Ashley Hinson (R-Iowa) at a fundraiser in Fayette. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) also stumped with Hinson at her reelection campaign launch event last week, while Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) visited the state on Monday and Tuesday.

Others who have been floated as potential candidates have also made the trip, including former Vice President Mike Pence, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R ).

Recent visitors to Iowa:
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, a potential 2024 contender, comes through Iowa
During Iowa visit, Marco Rubio won't say if he's running for president
 

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So Donald Trump will join Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton, and Kristi Noem in visiting that kingmaker state (or queenmaker as the case may be).

I can't find anything recent on Trump's children wanting to go to Iowa.

I also can't find anything about Ron DeSantis going there, even though the base likes him. In any case, DeSantis calls talk of a 2024 presidential bid 'nonsense'

DeSantis has become a GOP star due to his antagonism with the press, President Joe Biden and those opposed to his anti-lockdown, anti-mandate positions on battling Covid-19. His political committee has already raised more than $40 million since the beginning of the year for his reelection bid, with more than $4 million of those funds in July coming from donors in every state of the country.

In the last few months DeSantis has traveled to California, Utah, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Indiana and Texas. Most of those trips have been confined to fundraising for his political committee, but he has appeared at events designed to raise his profile, including a national police convention, a national legislative conference and headlined a Pittsburgh GOP fundraising dinner.

He’s avoided stepping foot in early primary states such as Iowa and New Hampshire and scrapped a scheduled trip to Nevada last month due to a tropical storm that was threatening the state.
So he doesn't want to do what Presidential candidates typically do, but he instead wants to be a national figure in the Republican Party.
DeSantis is scheduled to appear this Sunday at Gov. Pete Ricketts' 5th annual Nebraska Steak-Fry along with former Vice President Mike Pence and Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz.

But the governor’s continued insistence that he is not contemplating a 2024 run — he’s up for re-election next year — hasn’t convinced his critics who see view the ongoing national fundraising effort as evidence of his growing ambitions. Democratic rivals such as Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried and Rep. Charlie Crist (D-Fla.) are routinely painting DeSantis as someone who is more interested in pleasing potential GOP primary voters than what’s happening in his home state.

Those trips have also come under fire since Florida has seen a massive surge in Covid-19 cases this summer that overwhelmed many hospitals and caused a spike in Covid-19 related deaths. Fried lashed into DeSantis for a late August trip to New Jersey by tweeting out a photo of it and saying: “This is where Florida’s governor is during peak pandemic deaths…Laughing it up at a campaign fundraiser in New Jersey. Remember this in November.”
 

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Trump builds ‘turnkey’ campaign operation for 2024 - POLITICO - "The former president is signaling a heightened interest in a rematch with Joe Biden — and laying the necessary groundwork."
Boots on the ground in Iowa. Accelerated fundraising. More national media interviews. A flood of new press statements. A rise in attack ads on the web.

With a flurry of activity from his main political committee and hints dropped in private conversations with confidantes and advisers, Donald Trump is signaling a heightened interest in reclaiming the White House — and laying the necessary groundwork to do it.

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Perhaps more revealing, less than a month ago the PAC announced it hired two top operatives from Iowa dedicated to “advancing Save America’s goals of electing strong, pro-Trump, America First conservatives.”

The Iowa staffers also serve another purpose, Trump advisers say: they can keep an eye on the other potential Republican presidential candidates flooding the first-in-the-nation caucus state.

One person who has discussed Trump’s plans but declined to comment on the record to speak more freely said that “he really hasn’t decided, but we all think he’ll run … he wants to get in a position to where it’s a turnkey operation once he says yes. So he’s maximizing his position … the PAC is ostensibly to help win back the House and the Senate. If he does that, it makes his position stronger.”
Turnkey = something ready to use
 

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One thing I'm noticing is Trump isn't out speaking, which tells me the campaigning coffers are empty (or being squandered by him).
 

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One thing I'm noticing is Trump isn't out speaking, which tells me the campaigning coffers are empty (or being squandered by him).
I think he owes too many cities and venues. They won't let him come again until he pays the existing balance.
And if they're smart, they'll make him pay the next one in advance.
 

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Trump builds ‘turnkey’ campaign operation for 2024 - POLITICO - "The former president is signaling a heightened interest in a rematch with Joe Biden — and laying the necessary groundwork."
Boots on the ground in Iowa. Accelerated fundraising. More national media interviews. A flood of new press statements. A rise in attack ads on the web.

With a flurry of activity from his main political committee and hints dropped in private conversations with confidantes and advisers, Donald Trump is signaling a heightened interest in reclaiming the White House — and laying the necessary groundwork to do it.

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Perhaps more revealing, less than a month ago the PAC announced it hired two top operatives from Iowa dedicated to “advancing Save America’s goals of electing strong, pro-Trump, America First conservatives.”

The Iowa staffers also serve another purpose, Trump advisers say: they can keep an eye on the other potential Republican presidential candidates flooding the first-in-the-nation caucus state.

One person who has discussed Trump’s plans but declined to comment on the record to speak more freely said that “he really hasn’t decided, but we all think he’ll run … he wants to get in a position to where it’s a turnkey operation once he says yes. So he’s maximizing his position … the PAC is ostensibly to help win back the House and the Senate. If he does that, it makes his position stronger.”
Turnkey = something ready to use

More interestingly, "turnkey" implies it is packaged, portable, and easy for "anyone" to use.
 

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Trump builds ‘turnkey’ campaign operation for 2024 - POLITICO - "The former president is signaling a heightened interest in a rematch with Joe Biden — and laying the necessary groundwork."
Boots on the ground in Iowa. Accelerated fundraising. More national media interviews. A flood of new press statements. A rise in attack ads on the web.

With a flurry of activity from his main political committee and hints dropped in private conversations with confidantes and advisers, Donald Trump is signaling a heightened interest in reclaiming the White House — and laying the necessary groundwork to do it.

...
Perhaps more revealing, less than a month ago the PAC announced it hired two top operatives from Iowa dedicated to “advancing Save America’s goals of electing strong, pro-Trump, America First conservatives.”

The Iowa staffers also serve another purpose, Trump advisers say: they can keep an eye on the other potential Republican presidential candidates flooding the first-in-the-nation caucus state.

One person who has discussed Trump’s plans but declined to comment on the record to speak more freely said that “he really hasn’t decided, but we all think he’ll run … he wants to get in a position to where it’s a turnkey operation once he says yes. So he’s maximizing his position … the PAC is ostensibly to help win back the House and the Senate. If he does that, it makes his position stronger.”
Turnkey = something ready to use

More interestingly, "turnkey" implies it is packaged, portable, and easy for "anyone" to use.
A car, a house, a vending-machine business. You give someone the key and they can take it over completely.

I think Trump is imagining he can sell a political campaign the way he sold real estate. Or like the resorts, or Trump University, he licensed his name, and had nothing more to do with the operation afterwards.
 

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Well, there goes another Poe. Reading this article, this event looks like a train wreck both with the promoter and the card. Was supposed to be De La Hoya verses Belfort. Should be called Has Beens of FIghting, and has a Heroes of Wrestling vibe to it.

So I guess adding Trump makes sense. Pour more fuel onto the dumpster fire.

Oddly, it looks like you have to either buy the normal broadcast or the Trump cast.
 

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One thing I'm noticing is Trump isn't out speaking, which tells me the campaigning coffers are empty (or being squandered by him).
I think he owes too many cities and venues. They won't let him come again until he pays the existing balance.
And if they're smart, they'll make him pay the next one in advance.
If Orange Shit does actually run, which I don't think he will because he's making a ton of money not running, I'm more interested in how those debates will go. In 2016 he was such a shock. His opponents tried to be civil because they were after the same crazy base. So I think they'll crazy him back next time with nothing to lose. Might be interesting.
 

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One thing I'm noticing is Trump isn't out speaking, which tells me the campaigning coffers are empty (or being squandered by him).

Well the MAGA Pac is apparently spending 37,500 a month renting space in Trump Tower.
Wow...but beyond that the war chest seems still quite bigly.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-rivals-keeps-cash-by-playing-coy-on-2024-bid
Former President Donald Trump frequently teases another presidential bid, without actually announcing, a strategy that leaves him with access to a $102 million war chest, an unrivaled haul that could scare off donors to other candidates and freeze the Republican 2024 race.
 

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Trump builds ‘turnkey’ campaign operation for 2024 - POLITICO - "The former president is signaling a heightened interest in a rematch with Joe Biden — and laying the necessary groundwork."
Boots on the ground in Iowa. Accelerated fundraising. More national media interviews. A flood of new press statements. A rise in attack ads on the web.

With a flurry of activity from his main political committee and hints dropped in private conversations with confidantes and advisers, Donald Trump is signaling a heightened interest in reclaiming the White House — and laying the necessary groundwork to do it.

...
Perhaps more revealing, less than a month ago the PAC announced it hired two top operatives from Iowa dedicated to “advancing Save America’s goals of electing strong, pro-Trump, America First conservatives.”

The Iowa staffers also serve another purpose, Trump advisers say: they can keep an eye on the other potential Republican presidential candidates flooding the first-in-the-nation caucus state.

One person who has discussed Trump’s plans but declined to comment on the record to speak more freely said that “he really hasn’t decided, but we all think he’ll run … he wants to get in a position to where it’s a turnkey operation once he says yes. So he’s maximizing his position … the PAC is ostensibly to help win back the House and the Senate. If he does that, it makes his position stronger.”
Turnkey = something ready to use

More interestingly, "turnkey" implies it is packaged, portable, and easy for "anyone" to use.

Turnkey is, or used to be British synonym for "gaoler"
 

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More interestingly, "turnkey" implies it is packaged, portable, and easy for "anyone" to use.

Turnkey is, or used to be British synonym for "gaoler"

That's just old english for "Jailer".. and "turnkey" was slang for a person who watched over prisoners... but use of the old english "gaoler" was not contemporaneous with the slang "turnkey", I don't think. Turnkey was an insult, as it implied all the jailer knew how to do is turn a key... anyone that could turn a key could do the job.
 

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One thing I'm noticing is Trump isn't out speaking, which tells me the campaigning coffers are empty (or being squandered by him).
I think he owes too many cities and venues. They won't let him come again until he pays the existing balance.
And if they're smart, they'll make him pay the next one in advance.
If Orange Shit does actually run, which I don't think he will because he's making a ton of money not running, I'm more interested in how those debates will go. In 2016 he was such a shock. His opponents tried to be civil because they were after the same crazy base. So I think they'll crazy him back next time with nothing to lose. Might be interesting.

He will run if he is not in jail by then. He will play coy to keep grifting, but if he bails and disappoints his culties, they will turn on him like a pack of rabid dogs. The GOP's job now is to tear down Biden. Thwart him, frustrate him, deny Biden accomplishments and fan the hate.
 

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No holds barred? So the fight is not conducted under the Marquess of Queensberry rules?
This sounds far-fetched, but the whole post-rational dystopia of Trumpland seems far-fetched. Is Trump hosting some unregulated fight to the death?
 

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If Orange Shit does actually run, which I don't think he will because he's making a ton of money not running, I'm more interested in how those debates will go. In 2016 he was such a shock. His opponents tried to be civil because they were after the same crazy base. So I think they'll crazy him back next time with nothing to lose. Might be interesting.

He will run if he is not in jail by then. He will play coy to keep grifting, but if he bails and disappoints his culties, they will turn on him like a pack of rabid dogs. The GOP's job now is to tear down Biden. Thwart him, frustrate him, deny Biden accomplishments and fan the hate.

He's definitely continuing to pretend to still be president because that's what the MAGAtards want. And the MAGAtards keep lining his pockets so he keeps feeding them woo in exchange for cash.

I'm hoping that something meaningful breaks and that isn't under the control of GOP types. Maybe the investigation of how he manages so much cash with his golf courses overseas will lead to something he can't escape. Who knows.

One thing is certain, namely that he will continue to grift. Whatever course gets him more money is the one he'll take.
 

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No holds barred? So the fight is not conducted under the Marquess of Queensberry rules?
This sounds far-fetched, but the whole post-rational dystopia of Trumpland seems far-fetched. Is Trump hosting some unregulated fight to the death?

Holyfield is 58. It will probably be a fight till he has to nap.
 

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Trump not running in 2024?

It is interesting, it is a single comment in an article that presumes he is running for President, but the comment made by Trump reminded me of two things.

1) Trump filed paperwork to run in 2020, in February 2017. His first campaign event was too in February 2017
2) Sarah Palin's bus tour in 2012, which became a bit more and more awkward as she wouldn't say what she was doing. (Bilking idiots that supported that paperweight of a politician/person)

What did Trump say?
Donald Trump said:
I know what I am going to do, but we are not supposed to be talking about it yet from the standpoint of campaign finance laws.
That sounds exactly like he isn't running, because if he says he is running, the money he begins to raise likely falls into different categories. The fact he hasn't held any events implies either an empty account and debt or he is squandering the money. Of course, Trump could be trying to angle a money showdown like Lebron had with ESPN and where he was going to play. Though unlike Lebron James, the money from that wouldn't go to charity.
 

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Pro-Trump Rally Expecting 10,000 Attendees Sees Only a Few Hundred Show Up

Organizers of a Kentucky rally in support of former President Donald Trump featuring several prominent allies and conspiracy theorists expected some 10,000 people to show up this weekend. Instead, less than 300 were in attendance when local journalists attempted to cover the proceedings.

The "We the People Reunion" was held at the Muhlenberg County Agriculture & Convention Center Fairgrounds in Powderly, Kentucky, on Friday and Saturday. MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, retired General Michael Flynn, attorney Lin Wood and others were among the featured speakers, according to the event and ticket page online.

:realitycheck:
 

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Pro-Trump Rally Expecting 10,000 Attendees Sees Only a Few Hundred Show Up

Organizers of a Kentucky rally in support of former President Donald Trump featuring several prominent allies and conspiracy theorists expected some 10,000 people to show up this weekend. Instead, less than 300 were in attendance when local journalists attempted to cover the proceedings.

The "We the People Reunion" was held at the Muhlenberg County Agriculture & Convention Center Fairgrounds in Powderly, Kentucky, on Friday and Saturday. MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, retired General Michael Flynn, attorney Lin Wood and others were among the featured speakers, according to the event and ticket page online.

:realitycheck:


Trump's drawing power is dropping faster than an 80's hair metal band did after grunge hit. He used to fill stadiums, and it won't be long before he'll have trouble filling the pavilion at your local state fair.
 

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Pro-Trump Rally Expecting 10,000 Attendees Sees Only a Few Hundred Show Up

Organizers of a Kentucky rally in support of former President Donald Trump featuring several prominent allies and conspiracy theorists expected some 10,000 people to show up this weekend. Instead, less than 300 were in attendance when local journalists attempted to cover the proceedings.

The "We the People Reunion" was held at the Muhlenberg County Agriculture & Convention Center Fairgrounds in Powderly, Kentucky, on Friday and Saturday. MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, retired General Michael Flynn, attorney Lin Wood and others were among the featured speakers, according to the event and ticket page online.

:realitycheck:


Trump's drawing power is dropping faster than an 80's hair metal band did after grunge hit. He used to fill stadiums, and it won't be long before he'll have trouble filling the pavilion at your local state fair.
Well, the mentioned rally may have been a bust, but Clownstick wasn't going to be there, so it is hard to say how much of the fail is tied to him.

A recent Clownstick rally with himself there had maybe 45k people:
https://www.al.com/news/2021/08/how...in-alabama-secret-service-gives-estimate.html
The U.S. Secret Service estimated the crowd at 45,000 people, according to Deputy Chad Whaley of the Cullman County sheriff’s office. The Morgan County sheriff’s office also posted on its Facebook page it had been given an estimate of 45,000.
 

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I'm in northern Ohio, and only a few die-hards are flying their Trump flags. One guy drives his little pickup with a giant Trump banner past the football field when we have a home game. There's barely a MAGA hat to be seen. I'm sure it's worse south of here. You can probably calibrate the degree of Trump psychosis by a county's covid numbers.
 

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I'm in northern Ohio, and only a few die-hards are flying their Trump flags. One guy drives his little pickup with a giant Trump banner past the football field when we have a home game. There's barely a MAGA hat to be seen. I'm sure it's worse south of here. You can probably calibrate the degree of Trump psychosis by a county's covid numbers.

I've been driving through neighborhoods in Scottsdale, Arizona since April as part of my job, and I've seen exactly one Trump flag outside of a house, and the very rare big pickup truck with a big Trump flag. Of course, we're (still) going through the stupid "audit," but even some Trump-supporting GOP politicians have been like "jeez, give it a rest, already."
 

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Right. As much as I despise Trump and am bewildered by anyone on this planet supporting him (outside of his demon spawn children; that I could understand), I can sympathize a bit with the muted, somewhat dazed affect of The Base, because I know just how I felt in 2017.
 

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I'm in northern Ohio, and only a few die-hards are flying their Trump flags. One guy drives his little pickup with a giant Trump banner past the football field when we have a home game. There's barely a MAGA hat to be seen. I'm sure it's worse south of here. You can probably calibrate the degree of Trump psychosis by a county's covid numbers.

I've been driving through neighborhoods in Scottsdale, Arizona since April as part of my job, and I've seen exactly one Trump flag outside of a house, and the very rare big pickup truck with a big Trump flag. Of course, we're (still) going through the stupid "audit," but even some Trump-supporting GOP politicians have been like "jeez, give it a rest, already."

There are at least two nearby ranches with adjacent US highways where those highways were lined with Trumsucker flags for stretches of a half mile to a mile. Now they're lined with dozens of huge American flags, in gauche displays of displaced nationalism. I feel for our ranchers, but despair that they don't even try to get out from under the blanket of right wing propaganda that has them still in thrall to The Big Lie.
 

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Pro-Trump Rally Expecting 10,000 Attendees Sees Only a Few Hundred Show Up

Organizers of a Kentucky rally in support of former President Donald Trump featuring several prominent allies and conspiracy theorists expected some 10,000 people to show up this weekend. Instead, less than 300 were in attendance when local journalists attempted to cover the proceedings.

The "We the People Reunion" was held at the Muhlenberg County Agriculture & Convention Center Fairgrounds in Powderly, Kentucky, on Friday and Saturday. MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, retired General Michael Flynn, attorney Lin Wood and others were among the featured speakers, according to the event and ticket page online.

:realitycheck:
Trump is the rally point, not the movement. It is a very very weird movement because Trump isn't even part of the movement, but rather the perceived head of it.
 

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I'm in northern Ohio, and only a few die-hards are flying their Trump flags. One guy drives his little pickup with a giant Trump banner past the football field when we have a home game. There's barely a MAGA hat to be seen. I'm sure it's worse south of here. You can probably calibrate the degree of Trump psychosis by a county's covid numbers.

I've been driving through neighborhoods in Scottsdale, Arizona since April as part of my job, and I've seen exactly one Trump flag outside of a house, and the very rare big pickup truck with a big Trump flag. Of course, we're (still) going through the stupid "audit," but even some Trump-supporting GOP politicians have been like "jeez, give it a rest, already."

My wife and I passed a Trump rally going on this past weekend. Maybe a dozen people in attendance.

My bird was in clear view as I passed.
 

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Pro-Trump Rally Expecting 10,000 Attendees Sees Only a Few Hundred Show Up

Organizers of a Kentucky rally in support of former President Donald Trump featuring several prominent allies and conspiracy theorists expected some 10,000 people to show up this weekend. Instead, less than 300 were in attendance when local journalists attempted to cover the proceedings.

The "We the People Reunion" was held at the Muhlenberg County Agriculture & Convention Center Fairgrounds in Powderly, Kentucky, on Friday and Saturday. MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, retired General Michael Flynn, attorney Lin Wood and others were among the featured speakers, according to the event and ticket page online.

:realitycheck:
Trump is the rally point, not the movement. It is a very very weird movement because Trump isn't even part of the movement, but rather the perceived head of it.

You say that like he wasn't actually at the Capitol with the rioters like he said in his speech that he would be.
 

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Trump is the rally point, not the movement. It is a very very weird movement because Trump isn't even part of the movement, but rather the perceived head of it.

You say that like he wasn't actually at the Capitol with the rioters like he said in his speech that he would be.
Like I said, the rally point. Trump only cares about Trump, he isn't remotely part of any movement. Yet, the movement rallies to him as their leader.
 

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Trump is the rally point, not the movement. It is a very very weird movement because Trump isn't even part of the movement, but rather the perceived head of it.

You say that like he wasn't actually at the Capitol with the rioters like he said in his speech that he would be.
Like I said, the rally point. Trump only cares about Trump, he isn't remotely part of any movement. Yet, the movement rallies to him as their leader.

The movement is best described as nationalist anti-intellectualism. It's full of people who are scientifically illiterate and literally wish they could get away with every crime in the book.
 

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and literally wish they could get away with every crime in the book.
literally think they deserve to get way with every crime in the book. Or that it shouldn't even be a crime.

Like 'stand your ground' laws written so that cops can't even inconvenience you investigating a shooting.
 
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