Trump is scared of Bernie, circa leaked 2018 recording

[PyramidHead]

Recording of Trump from 2018

If Bernie would have been VP it would have been tougher...I got 20% of Bernie vote because of trade. He's a big trade guy...

Had she picked Bernie Sanders it would have been tougher. He is the only one I didn't want her to pick.

Thread about Bernie's strength with disaffected Obama-Trump voters, independents, non-voters, and others in the varied bloc that gave Trump his election win in 2016. The narrative for most of the primary has been that Bernie doesn't appeal to anybody except the far left, but the polls (reliable or not, so with a grain of salt) don't seem to bear that out. Trump realizes this, and realizes that part of his base is not the Republican right but the disaffected, less political, less partisan voters who haven't seen their lives improve under the political establishment of either party. Bernie captures that segment of the population according to most polls.

 

[laughing dog]

You do realize that is Trump conjecturing that Bernie might have put HRC over the top in votes, not that Sanders would have beaten him.

With that in mind, who do you think should be the POTUS nominee with Bernie has the VP?

 

[Toni]

All I know is that Trump isn't trash talking Bernie. I don't think it's because he's scared of Bernie.

 

[PyramidHead]

You do realize that is Trump conjecturing that Bernie might have put HRC over the top in votes, not that Sanders would have beaten him.

With that in mind, who do you think should be the POTUS nominee with Bernie has the VP?

The desperation here is getting silly. What more do you people want? First, he wasn't electable because he only appealed to white men. Then poll after poll shows his base is disproportionately comprised of people the Democratic party has been trying to capture for decades: women, people of color, the poor, young, non-voters, and LGBTQIA people. So much for demographics. After that, the argument was that he only appeals to far-left extremists and won't win over independents and moderates. Then poll after poll shows him capturing more self-described independents than any other Democratic candidate. Finally, he's not electable because he loses against Trump, despite poll after poll showing him beating Trump in battleground states and nationally, and now this recording where Trump actually says something positive about another politician and says he would be tough to beat, and you're gonna die on the hill that Bernie would somehow be less of a threat as a presidential candidate than as VP.

Do you understand how deranged this exercise is getting? Can you just admit that you never cared about beating Trump or had a coherent idea of what "electable" means, and just don't want your taxes to go up nor to relinquish your status as the most pragmatic and morally virtuous person in the room at all times?

 

[PyramidHead]

All I know is that Trump isn't trash talking Bernie. I don't think it's because he's scared of Bernie.

That in itself is telling. He has lots to say about "sleepy Joe" and "Pocahantas", but all he can lob at Bernie is the tired and lame "crazy Bernie". Trump's entire appeal is that he's not like those corrupt DC elites who are out of touch with ordinary people and crumble under pressure. Yeah, I know it's stupid that anybody would believe that coming from Trump, but it's his only line of attack; Bernie doesn't give him a target in that sense, because everybody knows him as basically incorruptible and honest, and a lifelong fighter for consistent values. What's Trump gonna do, say he's a socialist? When have you ever heard Trump use that line against his opponents? He much prefers to attack their character, their perceived phoniness, and their unreliability, and it is in these areas that Bernie has the most resilience.

 

[laughing dog]

You do realize that is Trump conjecturing that Bernie might have put HRC over the top in votes, not that Sanders would have beaten him.

With that in mind, who do you think should be the POTUS nominee with Bernie has the VP?

The desperation here is getting silly.

I agree, but I am sure you miss the irony of that statement.

What more do you people want? First, he wasn't electable because he only appealed to white men. Then poll after poll shows his base is disproportionately comprised of people the Democratic party has been trying to capture for decades: women, people of color, the poor, young, non-voters, and LGBTQIA people. So much for demographics. After that, the argument was that he only appeals to far-left extremists and won't win over independents and moderates. Then poll after poll shows him capturing more self-described independents than any other Democratic candidate. Finally, he's not electable because he loses against Trump, despite poll after poll showing him beating Trump in battleground states and nationally, and now this recording where Trump actually says something positive about another politician and says he would be tough to beat, and you're gonna die on the hill that Bernie would somehow be less of a threat as a presidential candidate than as VP.

There is no hill to die on. I am simply pointing out the obvious to anyone with basic reading comprehension that Mr. Trump was talking about how Mr. Sanders as a VP candidate would have helped Ms. Clinton, not that he was afraid of Mr. Sanders as a Presidential candidate.

Do you understand how deranged this exercise is getting? Can you just admit that you never cared about beating Trump or had a coherent idea of what "electable" means, and just don't want your taxes to go up nor to relinquish your status as the most pragmatic and morally virtuous person in the room at all times?

More ironic babble.

 

[Mumbles]

Here's the thing:

Dolt 45 only managed to beat Clinton/Kaine with the assistance of Vladmir Putin (who hacked DNC servers), Steve Bannon (who used Gamergate as a trial run on how to activate white male resentment towards women and minorities), Cambridge Analytica (who, like Putin, targeted specific groups with nonsense fake news pieces), mainstream news media (who absolutely refused to discuss her agenda and proposals, and gave him billions in what amounts to free advertising - much like they did to Obama when the bigot was raving about his birth certificate), and James Comey (who both failed to disclose any ongoing legal issues with his campaign affiliates, and yet saw fit to effectively announce a re-opening of an investigation based on copies of emails). And even with all of that, he barely edged her out in a handful of states, and may have lost had it not been for GOP disenfranchisement efforts.

Take away all of that help, and he was doomed. And as we see now, he has little to no idea how to run a large organization, and yet insists on running whatever it is he can.

Would picking Sanders instead of Kaine allowed Clinton to win? It's a contrafactual, so we have no idea. What I can tell you, though, is that what he's worried about and what he isn't is completely worthless. This is the guy who freely handed over the call summary that led to his own impeachment, and then freely and repeatedly bragged about what a "perfect" call it was. This is the guy who claimed that "know one" knew that health care reform would be complicated. This is the guy that broke numerous agreements, and then was shocked when he was blamed for the easily foreseeable consequences.

In short, who he is or is not worried about has no bearing on who I vote for, because he is obviously stupid. I'll continue looking at the issues, and base my decision on who I think is best, out of those remaining when my state's primary shows up.

 

[Mumbles]

All I know is that Trump isn't trash talking Bernie. I don't think it's because he's scared of Bernie.

That in itself is telling. He has lots to say about "sleepy Joe" and "Pocahantas", but all he can lob at Bernie is the tired and lame "crazy Bernie". Trump's entire appeal is that he's not like those corrupt DC elites who are out of touch with ordinary people and crumble under pressure.

Noo, Trump is an out-of-touch elite who crumbles when under pressure. His major appeal is that he is an overt white supremacist who will get rid of that jigaboo Obama's legacy and keep the darkies in their place. That's the entire reason he keeps using "Pocahantas" as a racial slur.

Yeah, I know it's stupid that anybody would believe that coming from Trump, but it's his only line of attack; Bernie doesn't give him a target in that sense, because everybody knows him as basically incorruptible and honest, and a lifelong fighter for consistent values. What's Trump gonna do, say he's a socialist?

Um, yes. That's the obvious line of attack, and Trump is incapable of subtlety.

 

[PyramidHead]

Noo, Trump is an out-of-touch elite who crumbles when under pressure. His major appeal is that he is an overt white supremacist who will get rid of that jigaboo Obama's legacy and keep the darkies in their place. That's the entire reason he keeps using "Pocahantas" as a racial slur.

Yeah, I know it's stupid that anybody would believe that coming from Trump, but it's his only line of attack; Bernie doesn't give him a target in that sense, because everybody knows him as basically incorruptible and honest, and a lifelong fighter for consistent values. What's Trump gonna do, say he's a socialist?

Um, yes. That's the obvious line of attack, and Trump is incapable of subtlety.

I think that's an unfortunate misunderstanding of Trump's base, and one that Clinton made as well with her "basket of deplorables" comment. Dismissing them as hopeless, inveterate xenophobes that cannot be appealed to by any means is how we lose this race. Certainly, the xenophobes all vote for Trump. But not all Trump voters are xenophobes. What they are is highly suspicious of identity politics, which is something Bernie doesn't rely on, and another of his strengths against Trump.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Trump probably fears Bernie, Yang, maybe Tulsi, and Warren more than Biden, and he should. Trump won his election by faking being a populist. He pointed to the same problems that Bernie and Yang do, except they have proposed solutions and workable ones unlike Trump. The fake populist should fear the real populist.

 

[ZiprHead]

Noo, Trump is an out-of-touch elite who crumbles when under pressure. His major appeal is that he is an overt white supremacist who will get rid of that jigaboo Obama's legacy and keep the darkies in their place. That's the entire reason he keeps using "Pocahantas" as a racial slur.

Yeah, I know it's stupid that anybody would believe that coming from Trump, but it's his only line of attack; Bernie doesn't give him a target in that sense, because everybody knows him as basically incorruptible and honest, and a lifelong fighter for consistent values. What's Trump gonna do, say he's a socialist?

Um, yes. That's the obvious line of attack, and Trump is incapable of subtlety.

I think that's an unfortunate misunderstanding of Trump's base, and one that Clinton made as well with her "basket of deplorables" comment. Dismissing them as hopeless, inveterate xenophobes that cannot be appealed to by any means is how we lose this race. Certainly, the xenophobes all vote for Trump. But not all Trump voters are xenophobes. What they are is highly suspicious of identity politics, which is something Bernie doesn't rely on, and another of his strengths against Trump.

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[Toni]

Trump probably fears Bernie, Yang, maybe Tulsi, and Warren more than Biden, and he should. Trump won his election by faking being a populist. He pointed to the same problems that Bernie and Yang do, except they have proposed solutions and workable ones unlike Trump. The fake populist should fear the real populist.

Trump certainly doesn’t fear Tulsi or Yang and he has shown zero indication that he fears Sanders. He has been taking runs st Warren for years and now at Biden because he recognizes them as legitimate threats.

 

[Derec]

Noo, Trump is an out-of-touch elite who crumbles when under pressure. His major appeal is that he is an overt white supremacist who will get rid of that jigaboo Obama's legacy and keep the darkies in their place.

BS. Your one-track focus on identity politics prevents you to see any other reason.

That's the entire reason he keeps using "Pocahantas" as a racial slur.

Pocachontas is not a racial slur. It's pointing out the phonyness of Elizabeth Warren who, being whiter than sour cream, nevertheless persisted in her lie that she is Amerindian. It's like calling Shaun King, a white man pretending to be a radical black activist, "Talcum X".

Um, yes. That's the obvious line of attack, and Trump is incapable of subtlety.

Unfortunately, we will not see a Trump-Bernie showdown, as entertaining as that would be. It's probably going to be Sleepy Joe after all ...

 

[Mumbles]

Noo, Trump is an out-of-touch elite who crumbles when under pressure. His major appeal is that he is an overt white supremacist who will get rid of that jigaboo Obama's legacy and keep the darkies in their place. That's the entire reason he keeps using "Pocahantas" as a racial slur.

Yeah, I know it's stupid that anybody would believe that coming from Trump, but it's his only line of attack; Bernie doesn't give him a target in that sense, because everybody knows him as basically incorruptible and honest, and a lifelong fighter for consistent values. What's Trump gonna do, say he's a socialist?

Um, yes. That's the obvious line of attack, and Trump is incapable of subtlety.

I think that's an unfortunate misunderstanding of Trump's base, and one that Clinton made as well with her "basket of deplorables" comment. Dismissing them as hopeless, inveterate xenophobes that cannot be appealed to by any means is how we lose this race. Certainly, the xenophobes all vote for Trump. But not all Trump voters are xenophobes.

Well, no, there are also people who show up and vote party line, and people who actually think that he was a successful businessman as well. I don't see how Bernie the Socialist would win over either group - one simply won't listen, and the other plainly prefer capitalism.

What they are is highly suspicious of identity politics, which is something Bernie doesn't rely on, and another of his strengths against Trump.

Well, no, one can't possibly be highly suspicious of "identity politics" and support Trump since, as I said, his entry to modern politics was based entirely on identity politics - namely white nationalism, via birtherism - and he has relentlessly pursued the same since his inauguration.

Now if by "identity politics" you actually mean "civil rights for women, people of color, and LGBT people" then yes, I agree - but we're discussing the exact group you claimed you weren't.

ETA: Now that you mention it, though, Sanders' class reductionism is another major weakness for Trump to exploit. As much as Sanders insist that people will give up on racism as soon as they're economically secure, US history has shown, again and again, that this is false. In fact, white racists will gladly cast aside their own economic security in order to secure white supremacism.

 

[Toni]

BS. Your one-track focus on identity politics prevents you to see any other reason.


Pocachontas is not a racial slur. It's pointing out the phonyness of Elizabeth Warren who, being whiter than sour cream, nevertheless persisted in her lie that she is Amerindian. It's like calling Shaun King, a white man pretending to be a radical black activist, "Talcum X".

Um, yes. That's the obvious line of attack, and Trump is incapable of subtlety.

Unfortunately, we will not see a Trump-Bernie showdown, as entertaining as that would be. It's probably going to be Sleepy Joe after all ...

It’s pretty rich that you accuse anyone of playing identity politics.

 

[Derec]

Trump certainly doesn’t fear Tulsi or Yang and he has shown zero indication that he fears Sanders. He has been taking runs st Warren for years and now at Biden because he recognizes them as legitimate threats.

I think Biden is a legitimate threat, especially in Midwestern states Hillary should have won but didn't. However, I don't think Warren would be. Quite beside the point of her fake Indian identity, I do not think her brand of leftist economics and full embrace of identity politics, going even as far as supporting so-called "reparations" would play at all well in Midwest.

I think Tulsi would be a good running mate for Bernie (certainly better than toxic Rashida Tlaib!) and Yang possibly for Biden.

 

[Derec]

It’s pretty rich that you accuse anyone of playing identity politics.

Mumbles is already on the record supporting identity politics. I am definitely on the record rejecting it.

 

[TSwizzle]

Economic Anxiety Didn’t Make People Vote Trump, Racism Did

Wait, I thought it was Russian bots that made people vote for Trump (along with Brexit, Boris Johnson and Canada and stuff).

 

[Toni]

Trump certainly doesn’t fear Tulsi or Yang and he has shown zero indication that he fears Sanders. He has been taking runs st Warren for years and now at Biden because he recognizes them as legitimate threats.

I think Biden is a legitimate threat, especially in Midwestern states Hillary should have won but didn't. However, I don't think Warren would be. Quite beside the point of her fake Indian identity, I do not think her brand of leftist economics and full embrace of identity politics, going even as far as supporting so-called "reparations" would play at all well in Midwest.

I think Tulsi would be a good running mate for Bernie (certainly better than toxic Rashida Tlaib!) and Yang possibly for Biden.

Tulsi would be the most useful as a boat anchor. She brings nothing at all to any ticket. Even an ardent supporter such as yourself cannot correctly identify her by sight and instead mistake her for an older and much more attractive and intelligent woman born in India—who has a better body, to boot.

Warren is much more appealing in the Midwest than Sanders. Biden’s big appeal is that he’s safe. He’s a plausible out for anyone who is disgusted by Trump but can’t quite commit to a progressive candidate. I think he’s too old but...so is Trump and so is Bernie.

 

[ZiprHead]

It’s pretty rich that you accuse anyone of playing identity politics.

Mumbles is already on the record supporting identity politics. I am definitely on the record rejecting it.

Yet you use it so often.