Trump will pardon capitol rioters

[steve_bank]

Nt unexpected.

I'd say the country is in deep trouble if Trump gets reelected.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Republicans aren't going to let the Democrats ever get control again. Thus the only route to preserving democracy is to ensure the Republicans do not get control until they give up their plans to make the US a theocracy.

 

[AdamWho]

Preemptively pardoning criminals should be an impeachable offense.....

 

[ZiprHead]

Nah, Trump's not a fascist.

 

[bilby]

Preemptively pardoning criminals should be an impeachable offense.....

It's rather difficult to impeach someone who doesn't hold any official position.

They should just throw the sack of shit in jail for sedition.

 

[Derec]

And Biden/Garland gave sweetheart deals to 2020 #BLM rioters. Like 10 years for killing a man in an arson (Montez Lee) or 18-24 months for making and using incindiary devices (Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman)

 

[Derec]

Preemptively pardoning criminals should be an impeachable offense.....

As opposed to postemptively giving out sweetheart deals based on ideology like Garland's DOJ is doing with 2020 insurrectionists.

 

[bilby]

And Biden/Garland gave sweetheart deals to 2020 #BLM rioters. Like 10 years for killing a man in an arson (Montez Lee) or 18-24 months for making and using incindiary devices (Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman)

Were BLM rioters attempting to overthrow the government?

There's a significant and important difference between a mere riot and an attempted coup d'état.

Killing a man is a terrible crime; But killing an entire democratic system is far worse.

And ten years in jail may not satisfy your thirst for vengeance, but it's not a pardon.

Your whataboutism isn't even close to being proportionate. Even if Tu Quoque wasn't a fallacy to begin with, it would still be a pathetic effort.

 

[dannyk]

Preemptively pardoning criminals should be an impeachable offense.....

As opposed to postemptively giving out sweetheart deals based on ideology like Garland's DOJ is doing with 2020 insurrectionists.

Is that the American Ideology? Can you elaborate?

 

[Ford]

Preemptively pardoning criminals should be an impeachable offense.....

As opposed to postemptively giving out sweetheart deals based on ideology like Garland's DOJ is doing with 2020 insurrectionists.

Is that the American Ideology? Can you elaborate?

Derec's problem with BLM is the B part.


As for Trump pardoning the 1/6 rioters, he could have done that at any time between 1/6 and noon on 1/20/2021. This is just another one of his bullshit claims of things he'll do one "reinstated."

He even trotted out the old "lock her up" chant, and his idiot followers didn't even realize that he never lifted a finger against Hillary when he was still IN office.

 

[Jarhyn]

Preemptively pardoning criminals should be an impeachable offense.....

As opposed to postemptively giving out sweetheart deals based on ideology like Garland's DOJ is doing with 2020 insurrectionists.

Is that the American Ideology? Can you elaborate?

Derec's problem with BLM is the B part.


As for Trump pardoning the 1/6 rioters, he could have done that at any time between 1/6 and noon on 1/20/2021. This is just another one of his bullshit claims of things he'll do one "reinstated."

He even trotted out the old "lock her up" chant, and his idiot followers didn't even realize that he never lifted a finger against Hillary when he was still IN office.

Not to mention the fact that Trump is being investigated under laws Trump passed with which to prosecute breaches like the one Trump was involved directly in.

 

[ZiprHead]

And Biden/Garland gave sweetheart deals to 2020 #BLM rioters. Like 10 years for killing a man in an arson (Montez Lee) or 18-24 months for making and using incindiary devices (Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman)

Do you have any proof at all that Biden/Garland had any input at all in either of those cases?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

And Biden/Garland gave sweetheart deals to 2020 #BLM rioters. Like 10 years for killing a man in an arson (Montez Lee) or 18-24 months for making and using incindiary devices (Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman)

Were BLM rioters attempting to overthrow the government?

I seem to remember something about protestors breaking into the Senate chamber during a confirmation of a Justice.

 

[Derec]

Do you have any proof at all that Biden/Garland had any input at all in either of those cases?

You mean do I have a wiretap of them saying anything? No.
But Garland is the head of DOJ and Biden is the Chief Executive. The buck stops with them.

Justice should not be politically biased. Those engaging in political violence should not get lenient sentences because they follow a particular political ideology, in this case of the far Left.

 

[Derec]

Derec's problem with BLM is the B part.

Bullshit. My problem with them is mostly about the political violence and general extremist anti-police positions they take. More recently, grifting and embezzlement has also become evident.
The B part does not enter into my view of them. What it enters into is that B is the reason they are getting a pass for their misdeeds - in the media and often even in the criminal justice system.

As for Trump pardoning the 1/6 rioters, he could have done that at any time between 1/6 and noon on 1/20/2021. This is just another one of his bullshit claims of things he'll do one "reinstated."

True. Trump is a bullshit artist first and foremost.

Speaking of presidential clemency powers, how do you feel about Clinton commuting the sentences of left-wing terrorists who bombed the US Senate in 1983?
In the 1980s, a Far-Left, Female-Led Domestic Terrorism Group Bombed the U.S. Capitol

Was that ok because they are on the left?

 

[Derec]

Is that the American Ideology? Can you elaborate?

Far left ideology of the #BLM movement. In 2020 there was a lot of political violence coming from that group.
In Brooklyn, two lawyers, Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman made, distributed and used incindiary devices, to wit Molotov cocktails.

How two promising lawyers found themselves facing life in prison for alleged Molotov cocktail attack during protests in NY

They were facing long prison sentences, but now they are not facing any prison time at all, since the "18-24 months" will be counted against the time they spent not in jail but on home confinement.
Prosecutors will seek 18 to 24 months in prison for 2 lawyers accused in Molotov cocktail attack on cop car

This is textbook political bias in prosecution. The 1/6 rioters are facing prison time for far less serious offenses, and yet these two extremists are getting off nearly scot free for firebombing.

Here is one of these #BLM terrorists (Urooj Rahman) trying to justify political violence.

Speaking of Minneapolis, the other example comes from there.

Judge goes below guidelines, gives 10-year term to man who set deadly Lake St. fire during unrest

Montez Lee set a pawnshop on fire and killed a man inside. The prosecutors argued for a lenient sentence because the arson was motivated by #BLM ideology and occurred as part of #BLM rioting.
The prosecutors acted more like defense attorneys than prosecutors. An excerpt: "There appear also to have been many people who felt angry, frustrated, and disenfranchised, and who were attempting, in many cases in an unacceptably reckless and dangerous manner, to give voice to those feelings. Mr. Lee appears to be squarely in this latter category. And even the great American advocate for non-violence and social justice, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., stated in an interview with CBC’s Mike Wallace in 1966 that “we’ve got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard.”
I guess the 1/6 rioters do not get to claim that "riot is the language of the unheard" to get 50% off their sentences because they have the wrong skin color.

And most 2020 rioters have not been prosecuted at all.

 

[Derec]

Were BLM rioters attempting to overthrow the government?

If they weren't, does that make their violence more acceptable?
They may not have tried to "overthrow the government" directly, but they did attack government buildings such as police stations, courthouses and an ICE building. They also occupied territory for weeks in several cities such as Seattle, Minneapolis and Atlanta. Their violence was still politically motivated, so I do not see why they should get a pass just because they did not attack the Capitol and made lpetrich's girlfriend scared.

There's a significant and important difference between a mere riot and an attempted coup d'état.

There is a difference between trespassing and arson, murder and other things that transpired during the 2020 insurrection.

Killing a man is a terrible crime;

Well the DOJ does not think it's that terrible given that a guy who killed a man during an #BLM-motivated arson got mere 10 years.
The man was black btw. Does his black life not matter just because he wasn't killed by a cop or a white civilian?

But killing an entire democratic system is far worse.

Oh, please. That riot did not pose any real danger to the democratic system.

And ten years in jail may not satisfy your thirst for vengeance, but it's not a pardon.

It is well below sentencing guidelines for that crime. It is not about satisfying "thirst for vengeance". It's about fairness. Somebody should not get leniency because the prosecutor agrees with them politically.

Your whataboutism isn't even close to being proportionate. Even if Tu Quoque wasn't a fallacy to begin with, it would still be a pathetic effort.

What is pathetic is your effort to downplay left wing political violence and the leniency Biden/Garland is showing them.
If political violence is to be treated as a serious crime, and I agree that it should, then that should apply equally no matter what edge of the political spectrum the violence comes from. And DOJ under Garland's leadership has failed spectacularly in that.

 

[dannyk]

Is that the American Ideology? Can you elaborate?

Far left ideology of the #BLM movement. In 2020 there was a lot of political violence coming from that group.
In Brooklyn, two lawyers, Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman made, distributed and used incindiary devices, to wit Molotov cocktails.

How two promising lawyers found themselves facing life in prison for alleged Molotov cocktail attack during protests in NY

They were facing long prison sentences, but now they are not facing any prison time at all, since the "18-24 months" will be counted against the time they spent not in jail but on home confinement.
Prosecutors will seek 18 to 24 months in prison for 2 lawyers accused in Molotov cocktail attack on cop car

This is textbook political bias in prosecution. The 1/6 rioters are facing prison time for far less serious offenses, and yet these two extremists are getting off nearly scot free for firebombing.

Here is one of these #BLM terrorists (Urooj Rahman) trying to justify political violence.

Speaking of Minneapolis, the other example comes from there.

Judge goes below guidelines, gives 10-year term to man who set deadly Lake St. fire during unrest

Montez Lee set a pawnshop on fire and killed a man inside. The prosecutors argued for a lenient sentence because the arson was motivated by #BLM ideology and occurred as part of #BLM rioting.
The prosecutors acted more like defense attorneys than prosecutors. An excerpt: "There appear also to have been many people who felt angry, frustrated, and disenfranchised, and who were attempting, in many cases in an unacceptably reckless and dangerous manner, to give voice to those feelings. Mr. Lee appears to be squarely in this latter category. And even the great American advocate for non-violence and social justice, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., stated in an interview with CBC’s Mike Wallace in 1966 that “we’ve got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard.”
I guess the 1/6 rioters do not get to claim that "riot is the language of the unheard" to get 50% off their sentences because they have the wrong skin color.

And most 2020 rioters have not been prosecuted at all.

I'd advocate you start with what you want as an American, for America, without compromise and put your personal beliefs aside to achieve that. Without alignment on that across every American - left - right or in-between you are all compromising your country's ideals for personal attachment.

 

[bilby]

And Biden/Garland gave sweetheart deals to 2020 #BLM rioters. Like 10 years for killing a man in an arson (Montez Lee) or 18-24 months for making and using incindiary devices (Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman)

Were BLM rioters attempting to overthrow the government?

I seem to remember something about protestors breaking into the Senate chamber during a confirmation of a Justice.

That's nice. Was that an attempt to overthrow the government?

 

[bilby]

But Garland is the head of DOJ and Biden is the Chief Executive. The buck stops with them.

Justice should not be politically biased.

Let me get this straight, your position is:

1) Everything that the DoJ does at any level is the responsibility of the head of the department, and of the President, because they are ultimately responsible for anything done by their subordinates;

and

2) Justice should never be the responsibility of the head of the DoJ, or of the President, because that would constitute political bias, which is unacceptable.

So, the Derec paradox states that "Justice must never be the responsibility of the department of justice".

I am thinking that this set of moral principles could be very tricky indeed to implement.