Trump will win and Hillary is running an inept campaign

[Will Wiley]

But once any person says they're going to vote for Trump I'm absolutely certain that there's something wrong with them.

I know what you mean. Feel the same way about Sanders's supporters.

If Trump follows through on his non interventionist policies, it's possible ( though not probable) that America could experience some sort of positive era. A new positive era is impossible with Hillary Clinton. It will be more of the same crap that has damaged America in recent years.
Personally I would love to see America change course and blossom again. It's such a wonderful country

 

[Harry Bosch]

Thought this analysis was really interesting and made some really good points:

[Youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LibRNYJmZ-I[/youtube]

In short, Trump has far more skill than Hillary at getting people to like him. He is able to frame the terms of a debate skillfully in his favor. He is a master at branding his opponents in a negative light with something that will stick in his supporters minds. Policy positions matter very little to most people. The minorities he attacked during the primary matter very little as few of them vote in the Republician primary. We won't see similar attacks in the general election.

Hillary, on the other hand, is rather inept. She is not very good at branding Trump in a negative light. She is attempting to portray herself as an "outsider", playing along with Trump's game that outsider = good, something that Trump will easily beat her at. She should be reframing the debate to her strengths (frame her experience as an insider as a good thing and attack Trump's lack of experience. For example, while she was in the strategy room during the Osama Bin Laden raid, Trump was on a reality TV show).

See the whole video for a more in depth analysis.

Well, we have a long ways to go. Trump is getting a bounce as all the republicans are rallying around him. Bernie is still out there. Hillary is fighting on both sides. She'll come back.

 

[laughing dog]

Don't pigeon hole all Mexicans and Hispanics. They're just as diverse and able to exercise independent agency as anyone else. And many of them like Trump.

I did not say all of them. Of course they can exercise agency as anyone else. And when they do, I expect a large majority of them to not vote for Trump. I would be really surprised if Trump did better among Hispanics than Romney.

 

[dismal]

The concern for Hillary is the more people see of her the less they tend to like her. If she tries to triangulate back for the general this will reinforce her negatives. I don't see how she can broaden her appeal.

Trump places us in uncharted waters. The conventional wisdom about him has been wrong so far. I feel like the one thing going for him is he will have no trouble appearing more reasonable than the "Trump is Hitler" crowd tries to make him out to be.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I notice Adams put $1000 of his own money on Trump. Lot's of people say they think Hillary will win.i think people just say that but they aren't really too sure. Is anyone really still confident Hillary will win. Would anyone actually be confident enough to put money on her?

I backed Sanders (maybe too optimistically) as the odds seemed pretty good.

Clinton is polling ahead in Virginia. In the real world, that means Clinton is winning the race to be President.

 

[fast]

I notice Adams put $1000 of his own money on Trump. Lot's of people say they think Hillary will win.i think people just say that but they aren't really too sure. Is anyone really still confident Hillary will win. Would anyone actually be confident enough to put money on her?

I backed Sanders (maybe too optimistically) as the odds seemed pretty good.

Clinton is polling ahead in Virginia. In the real world, that means Clinton is winning the race to be President.

Have much credence can we put in pollings?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Clinton is polling ahead in Virginia. In the real world, that means Clinton is winning the race to be President.

Have much credence can we put in pollings?

Enough to say what I said with the proper disclaimer.

 

[fast]

Have much credence can we put in pollings?

Enough to say what I said with the proper disclaimer.

It was the "real world" part that got my attention. Since Trump is the one that's going to win, your comment seems peculiar. Of course, if you're basing your stance on polling, then I see your reasoning. Thing is, polling doesn't appear to be particularly telling, but I didn't want to dismiss polling out of hand. There's been a good bit of talk on CNN on how unreliable they have been. I figure, however, some pollings are superior to others because of how they are conducted. I was curious if you had some insight into which pollings should garner our attention over others.

 

[ZiprHead]

I saw a poll reported by Meet the Press this morning of how people would vote between C and T after S drops out. Hillary took a pretty good lead in that poll.

Personally I think it's a little early to pay attention to polls, especially this year. I think after Trump/Clinton debates will give a much clearer picture.

I wonder how the public will react to the mean orange guy beating up on grandma.

 

[untermensche]

All anybody is doing here is trying to implant their desires into the electorate.

I don't like anything about Hillary Clinton.

I despise everything Trump stands for and is.

Dislike beats out hatred.

 

[Will Wiley]

All anybody is doing here is trying to implant their desires into the electorate.

I don't like anything about Hillary Clinton.

I despise everything Trump stands for and is.

Dislike beats out hatred.

What's the prize.

I still agree with Bill Blum.

If the American presidential election winds up with Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump, and my passport is confiscated, and I’m somehow FORCED to choose one or the other, or I’m PAID to do so, paid well … I would vote for Trump. My main concern is foreign policy. American foreign policy is the greatest threat to world peace, prosperity, and the environment. And when it comes to foreign policy, Hillary Clinton is an unholy disaster.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03...n-hell-or-why-id-vote-for-trump-over-hillary/

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What's the prize.

I still agree with Bill Blum.

If the American presidential election winds up with Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump, and my passport is confiscated, and I’m somehow FORCED to choose one or the other, or I’m PAID to do so, paid well … I would vote for Trump. My main concern is foreign policy. American foreign policy is the greatest threat to world peace, prosperity, and the environment. And when it comes to foreign policy, Hillary Clinton is an unholy disaster.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03...n-hell-or-why-id-vote-for-trump-over-hillary/

Yeah, ummm... WTF?! Did the US enter into two more occupations with Clinton at the helm that I'm not aware of?

The message is clear. The RNC fears an unholy landslide if they run from their nominee. So in order to save the party, they are backing Mussolini across their board.

Anyone supporting that fucker is a traitor to democracy. Europe has been down this road before. It didn't work out well the first.

The saying is people who don't learn from the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them again. The true trouble is that the assholes don't realize they are the bad guys.

 

[Ford]

I saw a poll reported by Meet the Press this morning of how people would vote between C and T after S drops out. Hillary took a pretty good lead in that poll.

Personally I think it's a little early to pay attention to polls, especially this year. I think after Trump/Clinton debates will give a much clearer picture.

I wonder how the public will react to the mean orange guy beating up on grandma.

I doubt many people would say "Hillary Clinton" when asked "what's the first thing that comes to your mind when I say grandma?"


That aside, I think Clinton is in a better position than Trump when it comes to support within her own party. She's actually winning the nomination by winning a majority of votes and a majority of delegates. She's got the support of the "establishment" such as it is, and the liberal wing of the party (with the possible exception of the most fanatical Sanders supporters) will get behind her.

The Republican Party? They're looking at Trump like the horny desperate guy at closing time looks at the girls who ain't got a dance partner, and they can't be seen leaving the bar alone. Neither the base nor the establishment were all that thrilled with Mittens in 2012 (or McCain before him in 2008), but they're openly disgusted with Trump.

 

[Will Wiley]

What's the prize.

I still agree with Bill Blum.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03...n-hell-or-why-id-vote-for-trump-over-hillary/

Yeah, ummm... WTF?! Did the US enter into two more occupations with Clinton at the helm that I'm not aware of?

The message is clear. The RNC fears an unholy landslide if they run from their nominee. So in order to save the party, they are backing Mussolini across their board.

You think Bill Blum is from the RNC....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blum

Blum left the State Department in 1967 and became a founder and editor of the Washington Free Press, the first "alternative" newspaper in the capital. In 1969, he wrote and published an exposé of the CIA in which were revealed the names and addresses of more than 200 CIA employees. He has worked as freelance journalist in the United States, Europe and South America. In 1972-73 Blum worked as a journalist in Chile where he reported on the Allende government's "socialist experiment". In the mid-1970s, he worked in London with ex-CIA officer Philip Agee and his associates "on their project of exposing CIA personnel and their misdeeds".[2] He supports himself with his writing and speaking engagements on college campuses.[1]

In his books and online columns, Blum devotes substantial attention to CIA interventions and assassination plots. Noam Chomsky has called Blum's book on the CIA, "far and away the best book on the topic."[3] He has supported Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns.[4] He circulates a monthly newsletter by email called "The Anti-Empire Report". Blum has described his life's mission as: "If not ending, at least slowing down the American Empire. At least injuring the beast. It's causing so much suffering around the world.

 

[Will Wiley]

The Republican Party? They're looking at Trump like the horny desperate guy at closing time looks at the girls who ain't got a dance partner, and they can't be seen leaving the bar alone. Neither the base nor the establishment were all that thrilled with Mittens in 2012 (or McCain before him in 2008), but they're openly disgusted with Trump.

That is just inaccurate. A (shrinking) minority are openly disgusted with him. But not the entire base or party.

Trump might just get elected and part of the problem IMHO (and it's a big problem) is the outright denial of what is and has been going on

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Republican Party? They're looking at Trump like the horny desperate guy at closing time looks at the girls who ain't got a dance partner, and they can't be seen leaving the bar alone. Neither the base nor the establishment were all that thrilled with Mittens in 2012 (or McCain before him in 2008), but they're openly disgusted with Trump.

That is just inaccurate. A (shrinking) minority are openly disgusted with him. But not the entire base or party.

Nope. They are pretty much gathering in line like good little soldiers in order to vote for Mussolini in order to protect the House of Representatives.

Trump might just get elected and part of the problem IMHO (and it's a big problem) is the outright denial of what is and has been going on

What, the whole issue of Trump's manager saying Trump doesn't even want to do the whole job of President and needs a VP to fill in the gaps? And Trumps obviously terrible uninformed status on global or national anything?

 

[RVonse]

The problem with Hillary is not her likability but it is her message. In particular she likes the banksters and she likes rigged trade. But Sanders and Trump are against Banksters and rigged trade and for the middle class this is huge. Furthermore, if Hillary was not likable, she would not be liked by her party so that is not the problem with her. Hillary is also a crook but most people don't seem to care about that either as long as they are hearing what she panders.

And believe or not, I think most people in this country DO vote the issues. That is precisely why I predict this will be a very close election. When it comes to race and sex, Hillary wins. But when it comes to keeping the middle class solvent, Trump wins. This will be a very tough choice for middle class women, blacks, and hispanics.

It isn't any more complicated than that.

 

[laughing dog]

And believe or not, I think most people in this country DO vote the issues. That is precisely why I predict this will be a very close election. When it comes to race and sex, Hillary wins. But when it comes to keeping the middle class solvent, Trump wins. This will be a very tough choice for middle class women, blacks, and hispanics.

It should not be a tough choice if they have reasonably functioning brains. Nothing Trump has promised will help the middle class. Starting trade wars does not help anyone, and that is exactly what he will do if he actually tries to deliver on his promises on trade. However, I seriously doubt Trump even believes his own bullshit on those issues - he is pandering to a particular base.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

You can say that about any candidate. The video in the OP has a street interview of a would-be Clinton voter who says she supports various policies, policies which turn out to be Trump's. Howard Stern did this with Obama voters in 2008 and 2012. I think that video is spot on that most people just vote for who they like, not because they understand any difference in policy. If you think that most of the people who favor your preferred candidate are "reasonable," you're probably wrong.

I don't doubt that most voters don't understand their preferred candidates policy positions.

But once any person says they're going to vote for Trump I'm absolutely certain that there's something wrong with them.

He's not a candidate, he's a psychopath, and he's putting our entire species in danger at one of the most pivotal times in our history. If you vote for him you're a clown.

Well said.

I can see why people voted for Mitt Romney. He was a faithful family man who'd been successful in both business and politics. It wasn't batshit insane for someone to have voted for the guy. Same with McCain. Yeah, he did afflict the nation with Palin, but as a POTUS candidate, he was at least man enough to tell that crazy woman that no, Obama was not a Muslim, he was good man. I'll never forget it. It might have been the last noble act of a Republican we'll see for the rest of our lives.

The first time W. got elected, I could see it. The country was complacent, things were good, and hell, how bad could he possibly fuck it up? Well, we found that out and people who may have been even dumber than the current Trump supporters put him in office again. But still, we were hungover from 9/11 and a lot of people hadn't yet grasped the enormity of the Iraq disaster.

But Trump? Really? I keep waiting to wake up one morning and see that the vast majority of the nation has come to its senses, but it keeps not happening. The other day he was out here in telling a crowd that he has people working on the lie that is the long running drought in California. What in the fucking fuck is that about? He's going to just make water appear?

And no one holds his feet to the fire about any of it.

What people do you have working on it?
How are they qualified to assess water conditions in this state?
What are they telling you about the drought conditions or lack thereof?
What proof do you have that the entirety of the scientific community is wrong about the drought?

NO MOTHERFUCKER: ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

Where is the press on this shit???

 

[RavenSky]

Yeah, ummm... WTF?! Did the US enter into two more occupations with Clinton at the helm that I'm not aware of?

The message is clear. The RNC fears an unholy landslide if they run from their nominee. So in order to save the party, they are backing Mussolini across their board.

You think Bill Blum is from the RNC....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blum

Blum left the State Department in 1967 and became a founder and editor of the Washington Free Press, the first "alternative" newspaper in the capital. In 1969, he wrote and published an exposé of the CIA in which were revealed the names and addresses of more than 200 CIA employees. He has worked as freelance journalist in the United States, Europe and South America. In 1972-73 Blum worked as a journalist in Chile where he reported on the Allende government's "socialist experiment". In the mid-1970s, he worked in London with ex-CIA officer Philip Agee and his associates "on their project of exposing CIA personnel and their misdeeds".[2] He supports himself with his writing and speaking engagements on college campuses.[1]

In his books and online columns, Blum devotes substantial attention to CIA interventions and assassination plots. Noam Chomsky has called Blum's book on the CIA, "far and away the best book on the topic."[3] He has supported Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns.[4] He circulates a monthly newsletter by email called "The Anti-Empire Report". Blum has described his life's mission as: "If not ending, at least slowing down the American Empire. At least injuring the beast. It's causing so much suffering around the world.

Well if he thinks Hillary Clinton is worse for American foreign policy than Donald Trump, Blum is a fucking idiot on this topic regardless what he's done in the past or may do in the future.