Trumpists Are Suffering the Free Market Consequences Of Being Deplorable

[braces_for_impact]

Good article by David Atkins in Washington Monthly. It's short.

It turns out that when you come to a multicultural cosmopolitan city with an open agenda of white supremacy, patriarchy and anti-urbanism, the native population tends not to like you.

When you compound bigoted viewpoints with cruel and inhumane policies like family separation as a deterrent to reduce the percentage of American Hispanic population, you may find yourself unwelcome at Mexican restaurants. It turns out that when your sexual politics are built around retrograde beliefs in male dominance and superiority, empowered women (and decent men) don’t want to have sex with you.

The real situation is the reverse: conservatives want the social and economic benefits that come from ecumenical urbanism, but they want to retain the deep bigotries and social privileges that come from provincialism. They want the right to enact zoning and social policies that discriminate against protected class minorities in their own communities, but they want not to suffer the cultural consequences of those views in liberal cities.

I think the article is pretty spot on, but I'm pretty sure Trump supporters will merely play this into their victim-hood scenario, whether religious or "reverse racism".

 

[Opoponax]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-sarah-sanders-virginia-restaurant/727972002/

For shame! Even a trumptard high-princess is feeling the effects.

After being asked to leave the restaurant, SHS tweeted:

Last night I was told by the owner of Red Hen in Lexington, VA to leave because I work for @POTUS and I politely left. Her actions say far more about her than about me. I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so
7:53 AM - Jun 23, 2018

Has she ever seen one of her press conferences? She treats reporters with legitimate questions like dirt. She belittles them and personally insults them every time she disgraces that podium by standing behind it.

But Papa Huck came to the rescue, saying:

Sanders' father, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, blasted the owners of Red Hen for their intolerance.

"Bigotry," Huckabee tweeted. "On the menu at Red Hen Restaurant in Lexington VA. Or you can ask for the “Hate Plate”. And appetizers are “small plates for small minds.

I put the chances of the American right realizing the irony of this at about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000^2%.

You know, Fuck those homos who want a wedding cake: "We don't serve your kind here." But a lily-white conservative woman getting remotely the same treatment? "Someone grab the fainting couches, stat! We're being discriminated against!"

The insanely obvious thing is that people's sexual preference simply is; it's not a choice. On the other hand SHS (and like minded GOP'ers) makes the choice every single day to go out and lie to the people, to compromise her own professed morals and ethics, and to rail against the legitimacy of the nation's free press.

And another thing! ... nah, that's enough for now.

 

[zorq]

No shirt, no shoes, ... no integrity,... no service

 

[untermensche]

What if doctors behaved like this?

The surgeon called in to do emergency surgery to stop the bleeding.

Sorry, won't do it for a Trump supporter.

Trump has taken things into the gutter. He has taken many with him.

You can join them or be better than them.

 

[zorq]

What if doctors behaved like this?

The surgeon called in to do emergency surgery to stop the bleeding.

Sorry, won't do it for a Trump supporter.

Trump has taken things into the gutter. He has taken many with him.

You can join them or be better than them.

The drunk driver you saw on the news last night who killed a family of four walks in to your fast food restaurant and asks for a vanilla shake, What do you do?
The cannibal child rapist who raped, murdered, and ate your daughter, is out on bail and asks for some fries? Do you serve him?
Stalin, recently resurrected, walks into your burger shop. Would you serve him the bacon cheeseburger he asks for, or tell him to fuck off?

Discrimination based on behavior, past or present, is different than discrimination based on congenital physical atributes.

 

[Juma]

What if doctors behaved like this?

The surgeon called in to do emergency surgery to stop the bleeding.

Sorry, won't do it for a Trump supporter.

Trump has taken things into the gutter. He has taken many with him.

You can join them or be better than them.

The drunk driver you saw on the news last night who killed a family of four walks in to your fast food restaurant and asks for a vanilla shake, What do you do?
The cannibal child rapist who raped, murdered, and ate your daughter, is out on bail and asks for some fries? Do you serve him?
Stalin, recently resurrected, walks into your burger shop. Would you serve him the bacon cheeseburger he asks for, or tell him to fuck off?

Discrimination based on behavior, past or present, is different than discrimination based on congenital physical atributes.

and if you where wrong? it wasnt the drunk driver but someone else?
if the news was wrong: he wanst drunk but had his first attack of a sickness he didnt knew about?
etc.

so in principle: not sure its right.

on this case of huckabe sanders? hell ya! that is a despicable person.

 

[jonatha]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-sarah-sanders-virginia-restaurant/727972002/

For shame! Even a trumptard high-princess is feeling the effects.

After being asked to leave the restaurant, SHS tweeted:

Last night I was told by the owner of Red Hen in Lexington, VA to leave because I work for @POTUS and I politely left. Her actions say far more about her than about me. I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so
7:53 AM - Jun 23, 2018

Has she ever seen one of her press conferences? She treats reporters with legitimate questions like dirt. She belittles them and personally insults them every time she disgraces that podium by standing behind it.

But Papa Huck came to the rescue, saying:

Sanders' father, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, blasted the owners of Red Hen for their intolerance.

"Bigotry," Huckabee tweeted. "On the menu at Red Hen Restaurant in Lexington VA. Or you can ask for the “Hate Plate”. And appetizers are “small plates for small minds.

I put the chances of the American right realizing the irony of this at about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000^2%.

You know, Fuck those homos who want a wedding cake: "We don't serve your kind here." But a lily-white conservative woman getting remotely the same treatment? "Someone grab the fainting couches, stat! We're being discriminated against!"

The insanely obvious thing is that people's sexual preference simply is; it's not a choice. On the other hand SHS (and like minded GOP'ers) makes the choice every single day to go out and lie to the people, to compromise her own professed morals and ethics, and to rail against the legitimacy of the nation's free press.

And another thing! ... nah, that's enough for now.

And she tweeted it on her official government account, which according to other tweets who seem to know what they're talking about violates ethics regulations.

Can't wait for a reporter to ask her about that at the next press conference...

 

[zorq]

and if you where wrong? it wasnt the drunk driver but someone else?
if the news was wrong: he wanst drunk but had his first attack of a sickness he didnt knew about?
etc.

The beauty of hypothetical scenarios is that we can control details and variables like these. SHE was definitely irresponsibly drunk and you are sure it was her.

so in principle: not sure its right.

In reality, yeah, you might be mistaken and it is a good idea to withhold judgement on people if you aren't very familiar with all the facts relavant to the behavior you are using to judge them.

Personally, I doubt Trump has SHS's nephew locked in a basement somewhere, for leverage to extort her into lying for him as Press Secretary.

on this case of huckabe sanders? hell ya! that is a despicable person.

Well, I might not say 'despicable' but I would describe her character as thoroughly deficient.

 

[J842P]

I have not read the OP yet. But I have to say - this is the greatest thread title ever.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

They want the right to enact zoning and social policies that discriminate against protected class minorities in their own communities, but they want not to suffer the cultural consequences of those views in liberal cities.

I take issue with this. Why should any "Class" of minority be more "protected" than any other?

 

[untermensche]

What if doctors behaved like this?

The surgeon called in to do emergency surgery to stop the bleeding.

Sorry, won't do it for a Trump supporter.

Trump has taken things into the gutter. He has taken many with him.

You can join them or be better than them.

The drunk driver you saw on the news last night who killed a family of four walks in to your fast food restaurant and asks for a vanilla shake, What do you do?

We are all responsible for the government we get.

She is no more to blame than you.

She is bad at her job that is all. But Trump likes that.

These press secretaries are all mini-Goebbels. They are all propagandists, not informers.

Some are just better at it than she is.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Personally, I think instead of kicking SHS and her family out, they should have played something factual about Trump on their televisions owned by the restaurant...like an expose on his interview where he talked crotch-grabbing or something like that. Now if she and her family left the restaurant and the news picked it up, it's "Sanders leaves restaurant," not "Restaurant kicks out Sanders." Plus, she has to deal with it in her head when she hears the truth repeated about Twitler.

 

[untermensche]

Personally, I think instead of kicking SHS and her family out, they should have played something factual about Trump on their televisions owned by the restaurant...like an expose on his interview where he talked crotch-grabbing or something like that. Now if she and her family left the restaurant and the news picked it up, it's "Sanders leaves restaurant," not "Restaurant kicks out Sanders." Plus, she has to deal with it in her head when she hears the truth repeated about Twitler.

You give these assholes cover by also being an asshole.

You justify their transgressions.

You treat Trump with a calm unemotional "no".

I know he is in the gutter and he is winning by being in the gutter.

But "no" I would rather stay out of the gutter than win.

If I can't win by staying out of the gutter than winning means less.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Personally, I think instead of kicking SHS and her family out, they should have played something factual about Trump on their televisions owned by the restaurant...like an expose on his interview where he talked crotch-grabbing or something like that. Now if she and her family left the restaurant and the news picked it up, it's "Sanders leaves restaurant," not "Restaurant kicks out Sanders." Plus, she has to deal with it in her head when she hears the truth repeated about Twitler.

You give these assholes cover by also being an asshole.

You justify their transgressions.

You treat Trump with a calm unemotional "no".

I know he is in the gutter and he is winning by being in the gutter.

But "no" I would rather stay out of the gutter than win.

If I can't win by staying out of the gutter than winning means less.

Saying things that are factual with things you own is not "being an asshole."

For example, when you wrote to me "You give these assholes cover by also being an asshole," does that mean you're an asshole?

 

[untermensche]

Personally, I think instead of kicking SHS and her family out, they should have played something factual about Trump on their televisions owned by the restaurant...like an expose on his interview where he talked crotch-grabbing or something like that. Now if she and her family left the restaurant and the news picked it up, it's "Sanders leaves restaurant," not "Restaurant kicks out Sanders." Plus, she has to deal with it in her head when she hears the truth repeated about Twitler.

You give these assholes cover by also being an asshole.

You justify their transgressions.

You treat Trump with a calm unemotional "no".

I know he is in the gutter and he is winning by being in the gutter.

But "no" I would rather stay out of the gutter than win.

If I can't win by staying out of the gutter than winning means less.

Saying things that are factual with things you own is not "being an asshole."

For example, when you wrote to me "You give these assholes cover by also being an asshole," does that mean you're an asshole?

By saying they are assholes?

I do not watch the press propaganda show so I only know her worst transgressions.

But Trump I have known for decades.

No bigger asshole alive than Trump.

 

[zorq]

The drunk driver you saw on the news last night who killed a family of four walks in to your fast food restaurant and asks for a vanilla shake, What do you do?

We are all responsible for the government we get.

She is no more to blame than you.

There is more blame on her for the lies she tells and spin she weaves to legitimize the corruption that "leads" the government than there is on me.

She is bad at her job that is all. But Trump likes that.

These press secretaries are all mini-Goebbels. They are all propagandists, not informers.

Some are just better at it than she is.

So Goebbles was innocent? Just a product of the environment he happened to inhabit, and only following orders? Had he lived to see Neuremburg he should have been acquitted?

No, there is plenty of blame to spread in his direction.

If Goebbles were to walk into my hypothetical soup shop tomorrow, I would proudly say, "No soup for you!"

 

[untermensche]

Every presidential administration is committing horrible crimes.

Obama had his murderous drone program.

Should we kick Obama out of restaurants too?

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Here’s the thing. Only Republicans are allowed to be bullies. Democrats are the bullied. Think back to high school. I would bet even money that anyone from your high school that was a bully then is a Republican now and anyone that was bullied then is a Democrat now. Some may have crossed over; the bullied growing up refusing to be bullied and what are they now? Republicans.

So what happens the minute anyone from the bullied ranks tries to step up and be a bully? Instant hypocritical outrage form the bullies. How dare you step out of your place; only we can do that.

And one of the tools of keeping the bullied in place is what Untermensch invoked; taking the high road. While true—Gandhi seemed to use it to effective ends as well as King, at least outwardly if we ignore the more questionable practices in their personal lives—it is still a tool that keeps us in our place and the bullies in their place.

Just look at everything Trump has gotten away with that would never have been tolerated for a single news cycle had it been done by any Dem. Republicans—the bullies—have conditioned Americans into an environment where they can lie, cheat and steal while Democrats can’t even use an email server.

And no, it does not make us “just like them” for one simple reason; we can determine right from wrong. They kick someone out of their restaurant based on ingrained ignorance in regard to how much melanin is in their skin. We kick someone out of our restaurant based on a full understanding of their willing participation in disseminating fascist lies.

These are not equivalent. Or, rather, they are equal actions, with disparate justifications, which makes all the difference. Iow, it isn’t the fact that someone was kicked out of restaurant; it is the reason they were kicked out that matters. We have no issue with a proprietor kicking an abusive individual out of their restaurant or a drunk, obnoxious person out, etc. So the act of kicking someone out isn’t relevant. The only relevance is why they are being kicked out and in that regard there is no equivalence.

UM also mentioned Obama’s drone program. And, believe it or not, UM, I’m not singling you out in any of this, just riffing on what you’ve posted as they are points well made and time worn through no fault of your own.

If a proprietor were to kick Obama out for the express reason that the proprietor felt the drone program was unethical, then I think that’s a justifiable reason to refuse Obama service. If, however, he kicked him out because Obama was black, not justifiable.

Iow, an ethical reason for action is justifiable, but a bigoted/ignorant reason for action is not. Or, rather, is less justifiable, but for the same fundamental reason; by not acting on one’s ethics, it is arguably participating or in some way supporting the untethical act of the individual in question. Iow, by NOT kicking someone like Sanders out of your restaurant, an argument could be made that you are participating in or otherwise supporting or even condoning the unethical behavior. You are, after all, providing sustenance to a perpetrator of evil against mankind.

It may be tenuous, but it is certainly arguable that by feeding a nazi (and thereby contributing to their continued existence) you are contributing to the problem.

 

[untermensche]

Incivility to fight incivility and end incivility is not a good plan.

 

[Opoponax]

They want the right to enact zoning and social policies that discriminate against protected class minorities in their own communities, but they want not to suffer the cultural consequences of those views in liberal cities.

I take issue with this. Why should any "Class" of minority be more "protected" than any other?

They're not.

Racial minorities (and national origin) are considered the most suspect class (see strict scrutiny). In this sense, it applies to all racial minorities (black, hispanic, asian, etc.). For example, a person of Japanese descent does not fall under less strict scrutiny than does a person of African descent. That is, all racial minorities receive the same standard.

So the term "protected class minorities" was likely just an unintentional misstatement.