Tucker Carlson goes to Hungary

[Angra Mainyu]

Of course, it has nothing to do with his anti-semitism, his homophobia, his attacks on Hungarian Roma, his limits of freedom of speech and academic freedom or his erosion of judicial independence - all of which are only anathemas to the "left wing".

In most cases, it probably does not have much to do with anti-semitism or erosion of academic freedom, as Western left-wingers generally do not hate prominent leftists for that (Wokeism is a serious threat to academic freedom). It's probably not about judicial independence, either: at least, I do not see many Western leftists worried about that in places like Venezuela, or Argentina, or Bolivia, even when they read about those places, and when done by leftist governments in support of a leftist cause. Or rather, they do hate right-wingers when they do those things in ways that support right-wingism. So, in short, it has something to do with those performed in support of right-wing policies, again in most cases (i.e., not all leftists who hate him have the same motivation; I'm making a general assessment based on left-winger's usual behavior).

On the other hand, yes, his homophobia and attacks on Hungarian Roma probably do count for most leftists who hate them; but those measures go against the leftist's ideology. And generally, most wingers (left or right) hate politicians because those politicians do think that are in conflict with the winger's ideology - and are then deemed morally atrocious, unsurprisingly that the winger believes their wing is true!

 

[Patooka]

You're doing it again.

 

[Jayjay]

"You're only criticizing Orban because you're a damn dirty leftist/communist/jew/<insert group>!" is just a diversion. The issue isn't what the leftists think, it's that Tucker fucking Carlson, and a bunch of right-wingers in US but especially in EU, are overlooking Orban's autocratic and anti-democratic policies because they like his conservatism. In other words, it's pure projection.

Messing with elections to keep yourself isn't about right-wing or left-wing politics, even if it just happens that in the US as well as Hungary it's right-wingers who happen to be doing that, it's wrong no matter who does it. And it's wrong even if a person who points out that it's wrong, somehow fails to point out some other dictator for the same crime.

 

[Patooka]

"You're only criticizing Orban because you're a damn dirty leftist/communist/jew/<insert group>!" is just a diversion. The issue isn't what the leftists think, it's that Tucker fucking Carlson, and a bunch of right-wingers in US but especially in EU, are overlooking Orban's autocratic and anti-democratic policies because they like his conservatism. In other words, it's pure projection.

I don't think it's even that. I think right wingers are envious of autocrats and wish for zero accountability. Say small government when you mean less oversight. Say election fraud when you mean voter suppression. The criticism is that cunts like Tucker Carlson are saying the quiet part out loud because not only do they believe it, they think they can get away with it.

Thing is, they're probably right.

 

[Gospel]

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Despite his talk about "freedom", he doesn't seem to want any freedom for anyone that he dislikes.

Nationalize big tech??? Big tech is composed of businesses, not government agencies, and right-wingers claim to be for anything goes when it's a business that does it.

As to making "conservatism their operational ideology", what does he want? Ideological commissars supervising big tech and the news media and academia?

Property and military service qualifications for voting? What does he want? One dollar one vote?

Increase America's carbon footprint -- this seems like wanting to own the libs more than anything else. Ban masks??? Is that anything more than hating something that the lib-buh-ruhls like???

Those tweets seem rather fascist to me.

He sounds like one of those villains in a movie that finally succeeds in getting what he wants only for it to turn against him and state "what have I done?" in horror.

 

[laughing dog]

Of course, it has nothing to do with his anti-semitism, his homophobia, his attacks on Hungarian Roma, his limits of freedom of speech and academic freedom or his erosion of judicial independence - all of which are only anathemas to the "left wing".

In most cases, it probably does not have much to do with anti-semitism or erosion of academic freedom, as Western left-wingers generally do not hate prominent leftists for that (Wokeism is a serious threat to academic freedom). It's probably not about judicial independence, either: at least, I do not see many Western leftists worried about that in places like Venezuela, or Argentina, or Bolivia, even when they read about those places, and when done by leftist governments in support of a leftist cause. Or rather, they do hate right-wingers when they do those things in ways that support right-wingism. So, in short, it has something to do with those performed in support of right-wing policies, again in most cases (i.e., not all leftists who hate him have the same motivation; I'm making a general assessment based on left-winger's usual behavior).

On the other hand, yes, his homophobia and attacks on Hungarian Roma probably do count for most leftists who hate them; but those measures go against the leftist's ideology. And generally, most wingers (left or right) hate politicians because those politicians do think that are in conflict with the winger's ideology - and are then deemed morally atrocious, unsurprisingly that the winger believes their wing is true!

Every response of yours adds more evidence to support the hypotheses that you are clueless about why the "left" dislikes Mr. Orban.

 

[Elixir]

Every response of yours adds more evidence to support the hypotheses that you are clueless about why the "left" dislikes Mr. Orban.

It's always easier to get people to fight against an imagined enemy than to deal with the nuances of an actual enemy. QED.

 

[lpetrich]

I'll take a look at Hungary itself.

• Area: 93,000 km^2 / 36,000 mi^2 (300 km / 200 mi)^2 -- between Maine and Indiana
• Population: 9.73 million -- between New Jersey and Michigan
• Population density: 104 / km^3 / 270 / mi^3 -- between California and Ohio
• GDP per capita: (nominal, IMF) $18,000 (purchasing power parity, IMF) $35,000 -- US (IMF) $68,000
• National language: Hungarian
• The language's name in itself: Magyar nyelv ("Magyar language")
• The nation's name in its language: Magyarország ("Magyar land")

I could go into more about  Hungary, like  History of Hungary, but I think I'll stop here.

Except for one little thing. If you are hungary, you could try  Goulash, a meat and vegetable stew.

 

[ZiprHead]

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/1hl83Jpd_OI[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I guess the lesson is if you're a reporter, only interview "good" people. If you interview anyone who is "bad" it means you're also "bad".

The White House Press Corps is guilty of being in the same room as Trump on multiple occasions.

 

[ZiprHead]

I guess the lesson is if you're a reporter, only interview "good" people. If you interview anyone who is "bad" it means you're also "bad".

The White House Press Corps is guilty of being in the same room as Trump on multiple occasions.

So you're saying Tucker Klansman's trip and interview isn't an attempt to normalise authoritarianism and dictatorship?

 

[laughing dog]

I guess the lesson is if you're a reporter, only interview "good" people. If you interview anyone who is "bad" it means you're also "bad".

The White House Press Corps is guilty of being in the same room as Trump on multiple occasions.

So you're saying Tucker Klansman's trip and interview isn't an attempt to normalise authoritarianism and dictatorship?

Of course it is.

But the idea that Tucker Carson is a reporter is hilarious. Tucker Carlson is to reporting what White Castle is to fine dining.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I guess the lesson is if you're a reporter, only interview "good" people. If you interview anyone who is "bad" it means you're also "bad".

The White House Press Corps is guilty of being in the same room as Trump on multiple occasions.

So you're saying Tucker Klansman's trip and interview isn't an attempt to normalise authoritarianism and dictatorship?

Of course it is.

But the idea that Tucker Carson is a reporter is hilarious. Tucker Carlson is to reporting what White Castle is to fine dining.

Didn’t Fox win a case by arguing in court that Tucker Carlson’s show is merely entertainment?

 

[Patooka]

Of course it is.

But the idea that Tucker Carson is a reporter is hilarious. Tucker Carlson is to reporting what White Castle is to fine dining.

Didn’t Fox win a case by arguing in court that Tucker Carlson’s show is merely entertainment?

The court finding was:

The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes.

So either Jason believes spreading hyperbolic bullshit is "reporting" or lacks the ability to reason.

And to pre-empt Jason's obvious response that therefore we shouldn't take what Carlson says seriously about fascists, yes we fucking should because most of Carlson's audience hang on his every word and lack the genes necessary to form opinions of their own.

 

[KeepTalking]

I guess the lesson is if you're a reporter, only interview "good" people. If you interview anyone who is "bad" it means you're also "bad".

The White House Press Corps is guilty of being in the same room as Trump on multiple occasions.

Here is your first clue to why you are wrong:

Tucker Carlson is NOT a reporter.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I guess the lesson is if you're a reporter, only interview "good" people. If you interview anyone who is "bad" it means you're also "bad".

The White House Press Corps is guilty of being in the same room as Trump on multiple occasions.

So you're saying Tucker Klansman's trip and interview isn't an attempt to normalise authoritarianism and dictatorship?

I have no idea who Tucker Klansman is.

 

[ZiprHead]

I guess the lesson is if you're a reporter, only interview "good" people. If you interview anyone who is "bad" it means you're also "bad".

The White House Press Corps is guilty of being in the same room as Trump on multiple occasions.

So you're saying Tucker Klansman's trip and interview isn't an attempt to normalise authoritarianism and dictatorship?

I have no idea who Tucker Klansman is.

Feigned obtuseness isn't a becoming trait.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I guess the lesson is if you're a reporter, only interview "good" people. If you interview anyone who is "bad" it means you're also "bad".

The White House Press Corps is guilty of being in the same room as Trump on multiple occasions.

Here is your first clue to why you are wrong:

Tucker Carlson is NOT a reporter.

That is true because reporters never interview "bad" people, only "good" people.

I have no idea who Tucker Klansman is.

Feigned obtuseness isn't a becoming trait.

Then stop doing it.

 

[KeepTalking]

That is true because reporters never interview "bad" people, only "good" people.

No, this is true because it was the legal defense that Fox News used when things got too hot for them:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2019cv11161/527808/39/

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That is true because reporters never interview "bad" people, only "good" people.

When did Tucker Carlson become a "reporter". He's never been a "reporter". In fact, Fox News says you shouldn't even take anything he says seriously.