Two new types of 'Anti-rape' personal product.

[Jolly_Penguin]

Women are told from a young age all the things they cannot do or ELSE and if they step out of bounds, they deserve what they get.

Boys are told atta boy and she wants it and she wants you and it's not fair if she changes her mind or doesn't want you and she deserves it.

Who told boys this? In what universe? Is it the universe that feminists have constructed for themselves, where they imagine they know what heterosexual men talk about in private?

I dont think even that would be fair to say. You don't hear many feminists saying that, not even many toxic ones. This is special to Toni's own mind.

 

[Metaphor]

Women are told from a young age all the things they cannot do or ELSE and if they step out of bounds, they deserve what they get.

Boys are told atta boy and she wants it and she wants you and it's not fair if she changes her mind or doesn't want you and she deserves it.

Who told boys this? In what universe? Is it the universe that feminists have constructed for themselves, where they imagine they know what heterosexual men talk about in private?

I dont think even that would be fair to say. You don't hear many feminists saying that, not even many toxic ones. This is special to Toni's own mind.

My experience is that it's boilerplate patriarchy theory. Denial of rape culture is evidence of rape culture. Making sexist jokes is rape culture. Attacking an individual woman is misogyny. Society hates women.

None of these are exaggerations of genuine feminist assertions, expressed in my social media feeds and in mainstream, establishment media.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

My experience is that it's boilerplate patriarchy theory. Denial of rape culture is evidence of rape culture. Making sexist jokes is rape culture. Attacking an individual woman is misogyny. Society hates women.

None of these are exaggerations of genuine feminist assertions, expressed in my social media feeds and in mainstream, establishment media.

I have only seen that far an extreme here, and only from two or three individuals.

 

[bilby]

Do any of these inventions actually sell? Is there something a little unethical about selling them if they are obviously not going to be effective or practical?

It reminds me of selling or "bomb shelters" to home owners during the cold war or the hilarious and terrifying "duck and cover" songs (as if hiding under a desk will save you from a nuke).

Actual experiences with nuclear explosions, both by civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and by military personnel at bomb test sites in the 1950s, show that the risk of death and serious injury can be considerably mitigated by even soft cover.

The idea that a nuclear bomb has a 100% fatality (or even casualty) rate is crazy - it's well known from bitter experience that people can survive astonishingly close to large explosions (including nuclear explosions), and that even fairly minor changes in their position relative to soft cover can have very large influences on the severity of their injuries. Blast overpressure effects are the most difficult to mitigate against; But flashover heating can be shielded very effectively by light-coloured materials screening you from the thermal radiation, and furniture can be critical in protecting against debris impacts, which are the largest contributor to injuries and fatalities at moderate to large distances from the hypocentre.

If a nuke is dropped less than about 3km from your school, you have a low chance of survival; But it's significantly and measurably higher if you are hiding under your desk than it is if you are standing in an open area of your classroom, and the level of protection this affords is much greater at larger distances. In particular, the advice to 'Duck and Cover' is intended to counter the natural tendency for people to look out of their windows to see the source of a bright flash of light - at Hiroshima, this led to many thousands of casualties when the window glass was blown into people's faces by the unexpected arrival of the much slower blast wave.

Nuclear weapons are not magic; They are very powerful, but their effects nevertheless comply with the laws of physics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_and_cover

 

[Gun Nut]

I would prefer to teach people not to steal, so my password on every account is password123 and I have no locks on my doors.



Because the ones who don't rape anybody don't need to be taught it, and the ones who do are not going to be convinced not to rape because nobody tells sexist jokes.

Or, if you prefer: men are already taught not to rape, but it doesn't take in some men. Just as we live in a society that is taught not to murder, but some people go ahead and do it anyway.

But then, I don’t think of men as brain dead or so impossibly infantile or animalistic that they are unable to deal with their emotions and urges responsibly. Weird that you seem to.

No, Toni, you're confused. You're the one who thinks anyone in a particular category is as good as anyone else in that category, because diversity.

But I know you're not confused. You are attempting to put words in my mouth. I didn't say 'men' couldn't control themselves. I think rapists can't control themselves.

I know you think I said the former, but please try to understand not all men are rapists and not all rapists are men.

Next.

You are the one who said that it was a brain dead idea to try to teach men not to rape.

I think that's weird.

I think it is pretty weird to reject ideas because you (rightfully) believe that the problem should not exist.
This is a perfect way to remain irrelevant. We can't fix 100% of the problem, so fix none of it.
Lets just pretend that "no-rape training" is now provided to all men... and now, 5 years later, rapes have decreased 0.1%. Congrats. Still unwilling to entertain actual prevention ideas?

Can you clarify for me whether you think it is a good idea for women to carry loaded guns with them in case a man tries to rape them? Personally, I think that's a terrible idea but you don't seem to think that men are teachable.

I think a high caliber round to the face is a fantastic response to a deadly threat, rape, or kidnapping attempt... as is inline with the law in my state. but Toni, please understand that the words "ALL" or "NONE" were not used... and is rarely used even when you reply as if it was. No one said that no education should be provided, no one said that it would be either 0% or 100% effective, and the conversation is about the reality that not all people...anything.

 

[laughing dog]

Society also tells boys and men (and women and girls and everybody in between) that no doesn't mean know if she's not a virgin

I'm going to say something very harsh here Toni.

What the fuck kind of society did you grow up in?

Probably in the US. I know I heard that kind of stuff growing up in the USA. In various times, I heard the following more than once:
1) women want to be raped, so it is ok to ignore them when they say no,
2) when women say "no" softly or without yelling, they mean "yes",
3) women like aggressive men,
4) it is impossible to rape a nonvirgin,
5) if you are good at sex, no women will ever claim rape, and
6) if a woman initiates kissing or petting, she wants sex.

 

[Toni]

Society also tells boys and men (and women and girls and everybody in between) that no doesn't mean know if she's not a virgin

I'm going to say something very harsh here Toni.

What the fuck kind of society did you grow up in?

Probably in the US. I know I heard that kind of stuff growing up in the USA. In various times, I heard the following more than once:
1) women want to be raped, so it is ok to ignore them when they say no,
2) when women say "no" softly or without yelling, they mean "yes",
3) women like aggressive men,
4) it is impossible to rape a nonvirgin,
5) if you are good at sex, no women will ever claim rape, and
6) if a woman initiates kissing or petting, she wants sex.

On just this board, I've read men claim that (some) women just need some drinks to get them to admit that they want sex as much as the guys do.

 

[Metaphor]

Probably in the US. I know I heard that kind of stuff growing up in the USA. In various times, I heard the following more than once:
1) women want to be raped, so it is ok to ignore them when they say no,
2) when women say "no" softly or without yelling, they mean "yes",
3) women like aggressive men,
4) it is impossible to rape a nonvirgin,
5) if you are good at sex, no women will ever claim rape, and
6) if a woman initiates kissing or petting, she wants sex.

On just this board, I've read men claim that (some) women just need some drinks to get them to admit that they want sex as much as the guys do.

Why would that be a controversial statement? People drink specifically because it is a social lubricant. Why do you leap from the above statement to 'therefore any woman who is drinking wants to have sex with any man'.

 

[Metaphor]

Society also tells boys and men (and women and girls and everybody in between) that no doesn't mean know if she's not a virgin

I'm going to say something very harsh here Toni.

What the fuck kind of society did you grow up in?

Probably in the US. I know I heard that kind of stuff growing up in the USA. In various times, I heard the following more than once:
1) women want to be raped, so it is ok to ignore them when they say no,
2) when women say "no" softly or without yelling, they mean "yes",
3) women like aggressive men,
4) it is impossible to rape a nonvirgin,
5) if you are good at sex, no women will ever claim rape, and
6) if a woman initiates kissing or petting, she wants sex.

I can't for the life of me see why 3) is any kind of rape myth. It's a social reality that many heterosexual women respond to assertive, aggressive, 'alpha' men.

As for the other claims, from whom did you hear them? 13 year old boys? Who thinks that 4) could possibly be true? Do you think the kind of person who already believes this can be educated out of their thinking? How on earth did they come to believe it in the first place?

 

[Toni]

Probably in the US. I know I heard that kind of stuff growing up in the USA. In various times, I heard the following more than once:
1) women want to be raped, so it is ok to ignore them when they say no,
2) when women say "no" softly or without yelling, they mean "yes",
3) women like aggressive men,
4) it is impossible to rape a nonvirgin,
5) if you are good at sex, no women will ever claim rape, and
6) if a woman initiates kissing or petting, she wants sex.

On just this board, I've read men claim that (some) women just need some drinks to get them to admit that they want sex as much as the guys do.

Why would that be a controversial statement? People drink specifically because it is a social lubricant. Why do you leap from the above statement to 'therefore any woman who is drinking wants to have sex with any man'.

I'm not the one who makes that leap.

Also, my personal opinion is that if you need a drink to have sex, you need some other kind of help and not sex and not the drink.

 

[Toni]

Probably in the US. I know I heard that kind of stuff growing up in the USA. In various times, I heard the following more than once:
1) women want to be raped, so it is ok to ignore them when they say no,
2) when women say "no" softly or without yelling, they mean "yes",
3) women like aggressive men,
4) it is impossible to rape a nonvirgin,
5) if you are good at sex, no women will ever claim rape, and
6) if a woman initiates kissing or petting, she wants sex.

I can't for the life of me see why 3) is any kind of rape myth. It's a social reality that many heterosexual women respond to assertive, aggressive, 'alpha' men.

As for the other claims, from whom did you hear them? 13 year old boys? Who thinks that 4) could possibly be true? Do you think the kind of person who already believes this can be educated out of their thinking? How on earth did they come to believe it in the first place?

There is a difference between aggressive and assertive. You're an adult and apparently, you find this confusing, so you can imagine being a girl on a date with an adolescent male who also doesn't understand the difference between assertive and aggressive.

What some girls/women like is not the same thing as what all girls/women like, any more than it is true of men. Not all men like having sex, for one thing. And not all men like having sex with women.

And some men like women who are assertive. And some like women who are aggressive.

And some women like men who are more shy. And some want men to just be somewhere in the middle of the road: not aggressive but not so shy she has no idea if he likes her.

 

[Metaphor]

Why would that be a controversial statement? People drink specifically because it is a social lubricant. Why do you leap from the above statement to 'therefore any woman who is drinking wants to have sex with any man'.

I'm not the one who makes that leap.

Also, my personal opinion is that if you need a drink to have sex, you need some other kind of help and not sex and not the drink.

Is there any sentence you can't (deliberately) misconstrue?

People drinking as a social lubricant does not mean they can't have sex without drinking.

 

[Metaphor]

There is a difference between aggressive and assertive.

I know.

You're an adult and apparently, you find this confusing

No, I don't. If I thought they were the same thing, I wouldn't have mentioned both. I understand you are confused by conventional English sentence formation, though.

, so you can imagine being a girl on a date with an adolescent male who also doesn't understand the difference between assertive and aggressive.

I've met people who think an 'alpha' male just means acting like an asshole (which it doesn't). But some women respond to aggressive males. You can live in lala land and pretend it doesn't happen if you want to.

What some girls/women like is not the same thing as what all girls/women like

Good god, I know that, I've met intersectional feminists.

, any more than it is true of men. Not all men like having sex, for one thing. And not all men like having sex with women.

And some men like women who are assertive. And some like women who are aggressive.

And some women like men who are more shy. And some want men to just be somewhere in the middle of the road: not aggressive but not so shy she has no idea if he likes her.

Wow, you mean there are individual differences in people's preferences? What a waste of time my psychology degrees were, nobody ever told me that!

 

[Toni]

I know.



No, I don't. If I thought they were the same thing, I wouldn't have mentioned both. I understand you are confused by conventional English sentence formation, though.

, so you can imagine being a girl on a date with an adolescent male who also doesn't understand the difference between assertive and aggressive.

I've met people who think an 'alpha' male just means acting like an asshole (which it doesn't). But some women respond to aggressive males. You can live in lala land and pretend it doesn't happen if you want to.

What some girls/women like is not the same thing as what all girls/women like

Good god, I know that, I've met intersectional feminists.

, any more than it is true of men. Not all men like having sex, for one thing. And not all men like having sex with women.

And some men like women who are assertive. And some like women who are aggressive.

And some women like men who are more shy. And some want men to just be somewhere in the middle of the road: not aggressive but not so shy she has no idea if he likes her.

Wow, you mean there are individual differences in people's preferences? What a waste of time my psychology degrees were, nobody ever told me that!

Apparently your psychology degree was a waste of time.