Two Police Officers to Face Trial in the Shooting and Killing of James Boyd

[AthenaAwakened]

http://newsone.com/3081574/james-boyd-shooting/?omcamp=sf_N1FB

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Two Albuquerque police officers were charged with murder in the March killing of a homeless camper, a shooting that generated sometimes violent protests around the city and sparked a federal investigation in to a police force that has been found to use excessive force.

 

[Testy Calibrate]

Thread title gives a somewhat misleading image.

 

[Deepak]

Considering Sandy was recorded saying that he intended to shoot Boyd with a tazer shotgun, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that they walk. Certainly they're not going to do time for murder.

I wonder if they're still collecting paychecks...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Considering Sandy was recorded saying that he intended to shoot Boyd with a tazer shotgun, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that they walk. Certainly they're not going to do time for murder.

I wonder if they're still collecting paychecks...

Sounds like that case out of California where the cop got manslaughter for mistakenly using his gun rather than his taser to subdue a guy who was resisting being cuffed.

As far as I'm concerned the taser needs a redesign. It should not handle like a gun!

 

[Deepak]

Considering Sandy was recorded saying that he intended to shoot Boyd with a tazer shotgun, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that they walk. Certainly they're not going to do time for murder.

I wonder if they're still collecting paychecks...

Sounds like that case out of California where the cop got manslaughter for mistakenly using his gun rather than his taser to subdue a guy who was resisting being cuffed.

As far as I'm concerned the taser needs a redesign. It should not handle like a gun!

Nope - disagree completely that these cases have any similarity. Sandy knew Boyd, knew that he had a history of mental illness, and hours before expressed his intention to shoot Boyd.

The actual shooting was with a rifle and there was no mistake about the gun firing live rounds. I'll stand by my prediction about this case, as sardonic as my presentation might be.

 

[Medicine Man]

Thread title gives a somewhat misleading image.​

....Pretty-much the reason "conservatives" aren't big fans o' recorded-data.....

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[Random Person]

Considering Sandy was recorded saying that he intended to shoot Boyd with a tazer shotgun, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that they walk. Certainly they're not going to do time for murder.

I wonder if they're still collecting paychecks...

Sounds like that case out of California where the cop got manslaughter for mistakenly using his gun rather than his taser to subdue a guy who was resisting being cuffed.

As far as I'm concerned the taser needs a redesign. It should not handle like a gun!

No kidding. In the heat of the moment it would be very easy to forget which one you are holding.

 

[Rhea]

Whatever happened to the police just having some patience and sitting down out of reach to give the guy time to surrender? Why they have to rush rush rush now now now alla time?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Sounds like that case out of California where the cop got manslaughter for mistakenly using his gun rather than his taser to subdue a guy who was resisting being cuffed.

As far as I'm concerned the taser needs a redesign. It should not handle like a gun!

No kidding. In the heat of the moment it would be very easy to forget which one you are holding.

The police are supposed to be trained professionals. They are supposed to trained to react and act correctly in the heat of the moment. That's why we have standing police forces and not civilians randomly gathered off the street.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No kidding. In the heat of the moment it would be very easy to forget which one you are holding.

The police are supposed to be trained professionals. They are supposed to trained to react and act correctly in the heat of the moment. That's why we have standing police forces and not civilians randomly gathered off the street.

Officers are supposed to be above the "heat of the moment". They are supposed to be trained. Be like saying, meh, the firefighters messed up in the heat of the moment, no pun intended, and tried to put out the house not on fire.

Officers are humans and honest mistakes can happen. But it seems that any screw up by an officer is condoned immediately by some, though condemned immediately by others. Few ever bother to actually think about it. This current case seems rather damning to the officer.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

No kidding. In the heat of the moment it would be very easy to forget which one you are holding.

The police are supposed to be trained professionals. They are supposed to trained to react and act correctly in the heat of the moment. That's why we have standing police forces and not civilians randomly gathered off the street.

They are still human, though. Everyone is vulnerable to such mistakes.

That's why I'm saying the taser should operate differently than a gun. It still wouldn't stop all such mistakes as the brain is still vulnerable to capture with oft-repeated tasks but it would reduce the number of them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The police are supposed to be trained professionals. They are supposed to trained to react and act correctly in the heat of the moment. That's why we have standing police forces and not civilians randomly gathered off the street.

They are still human, though. Everyone is vulnerable to such mistakes.

The Police are trained not to make that mistake.

 

[Deepak]

Again, just to be clear there was no mistake made here. Sandy knew that Boyd was mentally ill, stated that he intended to shoot him, and knew he had a lethal weapon in his hands when he did end up shooting him.

 

[Jarhyn]

They are still human, though. Everyone is vulnerable to such mistakes.

The Police are trained not to make that mistake.

You have an almost magical idea of the capabilities of 'training'. Nobody is immune to the effects of adrenaline and while muscle memory can help, it can't make the problem just go away. You can't be trained to not make that mistake. At best you can be trained to be a little less likely to make it. We have police who are trained because a little less likely is still better for everyone than 'a little more likely'.

That said, there were a lot of other ways they could have resolved the situation. they had time, he was far away from all officers, they had a dog and beanbag rounds, and all the time in the world. There was no immanent threat. They were just being amped up shitheads from start to finish.

 

[ksen]

Whatever happened to the police just having some patience and sitting down out of reach to give the guy time to surrender? Why they have to rush rush rush now now now alla time?

Hey, when that "Hot 'N Ready" sign lights up you gotta hurry up or they'll all be gone.

 

[Underseer]

Is anyone else enjoying the irony of "small government" conservatives and libertarians (who are completely different things, I swear!) using such desperate and flaccid arguments to defend police brutality?

 

[laughing dog]

The Police are trained not to make that mistake.

You have an almost magical idea of the capabilities of 'training'. Nobody is immune to the effects of adrenaline and while muscle memory can help, it can't make the problem just go away. You can't be trained to not make that mistake. At best you can be trained to be a little less likely to make it. We have police who are trained because a little less likely is still better for everyone than 'a little more likely'.

That said, there were a lot of other ways they could have resolved the situation. they had time, he was far away from all officers, they had a dog and beanbag rounds, and all the time in the world. There was no immanent threat. They were just being amped up shitheads from start to finish.

You do realize that you are basically saying that the police were trained not to react in the fashion they did.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They are still human, though. Everyone is vulnerable to such mistakes.

The Police are trained not to make that mistake.

You missed the point. They're human. Humans make mistakes. It's inevitable. You do what you can to minimize them but you can't eliminate them. Any approach predicated on eliminating them is a pipe dream.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Police are trained not to make that mistake.

You have an almost magical idea of the capabilities of 'training'. Nobody is immune to the effects of adrenaline and while muscle memory can help, it can't make the problem just go away. You can't be trained to not make that mistake. At best you can be trained to be a little less likely to make it. We have police who are trained because a little less likely is still better for everyone than 'a little more likely'.

That said, there were a lot of other ways they could have resolved the situation. they had time, he was far away from all officers, they had a dog and beanbag rounds, and all the time in the world. There was no immanent threat. They were just being amped up shitheads from start to finish.

Muscle memory is actually part of the problem here--they're used to using their guns from practice at the range. That's why I'm saying a taser shouldn't function like a gun.