Two police shot in Ferguson

[RavenSky]

The problem is it went both ways. There were two separate groups of protesters.

The locals protested during the day and weren't a problem. Outsiders "protested" at night and were a big problem.

How come - in your mind anyway - they were all "protesters" rather than what they actually were: one group of protesters and another (much much much smaller) group of looters. And the protesters did their best to protect local shops from the looters.

The looters acted like protesters. It's reasonable to call them protesters.

The looters acted like looters. It is not reasonable for you to continue to conflate the two.

 

[laughing dog]

No it is not! Protesters protest. Looters loot. You know your remarks smack of extreme prejudice and you appear to have the idea that shooting people in the street is actually okay as long as the victim is black and the shooter is a cop. Be careful where you're trying to take us. Your leanings appear to be all in favor of the violence of the rulers, the violence of the rich and the violence of the cops. This violence is becoming standard fare in our newspapers. You just seem to think you can smack down all rebellious souls in the name of what? order? Things haven't been too orderly lately in Ferguson and the cops are doing just as you would have them do. Do you expect that wherever you go you can get by saying...."Don't shoot! I'm white!"????

Some protesters simply protest peacefully. Some loot and commit violence.

I understand Some posters simply post on topic. Some post bigoted and racist derails. How does one tell them apart?

 

[Derec]

The looters acted like looters. It is not reasonable for you to continue to conflate the two.

For some reason you think the two are two distinct groups, when there is certainly much overlap. A person who commits any vandalism or looting (or shooting for that matter) as a form of protest is also a protester.

 

[Derec]

Could be. But then again all blacks look alike to me, just like all racist posts kind of look the same to me.

I find it pretty obnoxious that every time a person A is compared to person B and they happened to be minorities the "they all look the same to you" card is played (even if obliquely as in your case). They obviously do not all look the same to me. I did not say the perp looks like Samuel L. Jackson or Barack Obama or even Neil Degrasse Tyson. But there is definite similarity to Chris Rock and I thought I'd comment on it.
If somebody said a particular perp looked like Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger nobody would even bat an eye, but say a perp looks like Chris Rock and everybody loses their minds ...

 

[Derec]

you really don't pay attention, do you?

Here is what I said

I know the suspect has been described as having participated in protests. That makes him a protester who was also shooting at the police.

Do you think that looting behavior is the same as protesting behavior?

They are not mutually exclusive. A person can loot (or vandalize or shoot) as an extension of their protesting (like this guy reportedly was). Another person can engage in these activities because the protests provide a convenient cover. Both happen, which is why you can't whitewash all protesters from taint of destructive behavior.

Did we know that the shooter had been protesting when when I typed that?

You denied any link without knowing if there was one.

I knew, either you, dismal or Loren would pick that one sentence to run with. I am going to start making up betting pools, not on what you guys say, but how long it takes you to say it. I'll make a fortune.

Same can be said of you of course. What does it prove?

 

[repoman]

He looks like a mash up of Chris Rock and Gregory Hines.

 

[laughing dog]

I know the suspect has been described as having participated in protests. That makes him a protester who was also shooting at the police.

In the report of the arrest of the suspect, the police said he may not have been shooting at the police. It may very well be the case this person was neither protesting nor shooting at the police.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Could be. But then again all blacks look alike to me, just like all racist posts kind of look the same to me.

I find it pretty obnoxious that every time a person A is compared to person B and they happened to be minorities the "they all look the same to you" card is played (even if obliquely as in your case).

The irony is lost on him.

They obviously do not all look the same to me. I did not say the perp looks like Samuel L. Jackson or Barack Obama or even Neil Degrasse Tyson. But there is definite similarity to Chris Rock and I thought I'd comment on it.
If somebody said a particular perp looked like Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger nobody would even bat an eye, but say a perp looks like Chris Rock and everybody loses their minds ...

I must have missed it, or it was so raucous that the Mods came and cleaned up the thread. Where did people lose their minds after your post?

 

[Derec]

In the report of the arrest of the suspect, the police said he may not have been shooting at the police. It may very well be the case this person was neither protesting nor shooting at the police.

The same article that says that he may not have been shooting at police also said that he was a protester (no "may" or "may not" there!) You can't have it both ways.

 

[Derec]

The irony is lost on him.

What irony? Lost on who?

I must have missed it, or it was so raucous that the Mods came and cleaned up the thread. Where did people lose their minds after your post?

It's a figure of speech. Arkirk comes close to having done it literally as his response to me was pretty incoherent. You, otoh, merely accused me of racism in an oblique way (to sail it past moderators no doubt), which was bad enough.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What irony? Lost on who?

I must have missed it, or it was so raucous that the Mods came and cleaned up the thread. Where did people lose their minds after your post?

It's a figure of speech.

No, the word you are looking for is hyperbole.

Arkirk comes close to having done it literally as his response to me was pretty incoherent.

Just because you don't understand the significance of something doesn't mean it is actually incoherent.

You, otoh, merely accused me of racism in an oblique way (to sail it past moderators no doubt), which was bad enough.

I didn't. I'm well versed in the rules of the board and one is allowed to address other members as such.

So when you said "Lost their mind", you actually meant... "I wish people thought my observation was funny, but they didn't. *sigh*"

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In the report of the arrest of the suspect, the police said he may not have been shooting at the police. It may very well be the case this person was neither protesting nor shooting at the police.

The same article that says that he may not have been shooting at police also said that he was a protester (no "may" or "may not" there!) You can't have it both ways.

Why not? You want it both ways. You want to take the shooter's actions and apply them to the entire protesting mass. You want to consider all of the protestors to be hooligans.

 

[ksen]

The looters acted like protesters. It's reasonable to call them protesters.

Oh good, so when a few cops act like murderous thugs it's reasonable to call all of them murderous thugs.

 

[ksen]

Do you think that looting behavior is the same as protesting behavior?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkoMXxN_p3Y[/youtube]

April 26th, 1992
There was a riot on streets
Tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV
While I was participating in some anarchy
First spot we hit it was my liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford
With red lights flashin', time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
Next stop we hit, it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make the window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?

("Call fire and tell them respond local station out to meet us at Anaheim. It's uh, flaming up good." "10-4 Alamidos at Anaheim")

When we returned to the pad to unload everything
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
So once again we filled the van until it was full
Since that day my livin' room's been much more comfortable
'Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here
It's getting harder, and harder, and harder each and every year
Some kids went in a store with their mother
I saw her when she came out she was gettin' some Pampers
They said it was for the black man
They said it was for the Mexican
And not for the white man
But if you look at the streets, it wasn't about Rodney King
In this fucked-up situation and these fucked-up police
It's about comin' up and stayin' on top
And screamin' 1-8-7 on a mother fuckin' cop
It's not in the paper, it's on the wall
National guard
Smoke from all around

 

[Derec]

The looters acted like protesters. It's reasonable to call them protesters.

Oh good, so when a few cops act like murderous thugs it's reasonable to call all of them murderous thugs.

You are getting the logic ass-backwards. Loren said that members of a small subset are still members of the larger set. You counter with members of a larger set being members of the small subset, which obviously doesn't apply at all.

Besides, who are those "murderous thugs" among police officers? I am sure there are some, but do you count Darren Wilson among them even though neither state nor federal prosecutors found any probable cause to indict?

 

[ksen]

Oh good, so when a few cops act like murderous thugs it's reasonable to call all of them murderous thugs.

You are getting the logic ass-backwards. Loren said that members of a small subset are still members of the larger set. You counter with members of a larger set being members of the small subset, which obviously doesn't apply at all.

Besides, who are those "murderous thugs" among police officers? I am sure there are some, but do you count Darren Wilson among them even though neither state nor federal prosecutors found any probable cause to indict?

You're assuming "murderous thug cop" is the smaller subset . . . I don't make that automatic assumption.

 

[laughing dog]

In the report of the arrest of the suspect, the police said he may not have been shooting at the police. It may very well be the case this person was neither protesting nor shooting at the police.

The same article that says that he may not have been shooting at police also said that he was a protester (no "may" or "may not" there!) You can't have it both ways.

It is possible that the police are wrong about him protesting. So it is possible to have it both ways. Whether it is probable or not is a different story.

 

[Derec]

No, the word you are looking for is hyperbole.

A hyperbole is a figure of speech. And you haven't answered the question about which irony is being missed.

Just because you don't understand the significance of something doesn't mean it is actually incoherent.

Could you do me a favor and parse what he was saying?

I didn't. I'm well versed in the rules of the board and one is allowed to address other members as such.

Well at least when the left-wing posters do it.

So when you said "Lost their mind", you actually meant... "I wish people thought my observation was funny, but they didn't. *sigh*

1. It was a specific reference to the Joker meme.
2. I wasn't making a joke. I was merely pointing out a resemblance. Apparently saying that a black person might resemble another black person is automatically "racist" now.

Why not? You want it both ways. You want to take the shooter's actions and apply them to the entire protesting mass. You want to consider all of the protestors to be hooligans.

Not at all. You are making the same logic mistake as ksen. Saying that violent protesters are protesters doesn't mean that I say that all protesters are violent protesters.

 

[Derec]

You're assuming "murderous thug cop" is the smaller subset . . . I don't make that automatic assumption.

Your ridiculous prejudice notwithstanding, not even assuming that these two sets are identical would make what you wrote make sense.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A hyperbole is a figure of speech.

Gotcha. So when you say figure of speech, what you mean to say is "absolutely no relation to reality".

I didn't. I'm well versed in the rules of the board and one is allowed to address other members as such.

Well at least when the left-wing posters do it.

When anybody follows the rules of the board, they don't get moderated, not just libs.

So when you said "Lost their mind", you actually meant... "I wish people thought my observation was funny, but they didn't. *sigh*

1. It was a specific reference to the Joker meme.
2. I wasn't making a joke. I was merely pointing out a resemblance. Apparently saying that a black person might resemble another black person is automatically "racist" now.

You don't seem to understand the issue here. It isn't the comparison that is the problem.

Why not? You want it both ways. You want to take the shooter's actions and apply them to the entire protesting mass. You want to consider all of the protestors to be hooligans.

Not at all. You are making the same logic mistake as ksen. Saying that violent protesters are protesters doesn't mean that I say that all protesters are violent protesters.

And George W. Bush didn't say Hussein was responsible for 9/11, however, it is what he was attempting to allude to.. hence why it seems so important for you to connect the person who shoot the officers with the protestors.

 

[ksen]

Your ridiculous prejudice notwithstanding

:ironicat:

lol