UK Conservative Party Wins! Shows What's To Come For U.S.

[Half-Life]

UK leftists were saying, "We have this election in the bag! Nobody votes for conservatives anymore! The younger generation is rising up!" Turns out, that's a big fat NOPE!

Same thing is happening in the U.S. Leftists think Trump's goose is cooked, just like they said in 2016. Don't get your hopes up and you won't be disappointed when Trump wins again.

 

[Patooka]

You sound really knowledgeable of UK politics. Please tell me more about your astute insight . How do you think the DUP will react now they are considered irrelevant for starters? Also, do you think Nicola Sturgeon is now in a stronger or weaker position after the election?

Please, let's here more nuanced facts from the smart conservative.

 

[Half-Life]

You sound really knowledgeable of UK politics. Please tell me more about your astute insight . How do you think the DUP will react now they are considered irrelevant for starters? Also, do you think Nicola Sturgeon is now in a stronger or weaker position after the election?

Please, let's here more nuanced facts from the smart conservative.

Upset the socialist candidate was beaten into submission?

I would imagine so. You can't point to a single successful country that embraced socialism or communism as its ideology.

 

[rousseau]

UK leftists were saying, "We have this election in the bag! Nobody votes for conservatives anymore! The younger generation is rising up!" Turns out, that's a big fat NOPE!

Same thing is happening in the U.S. Leftists think Trump's goose is cooked, just like they said in 2016. Don't get your hopes up and you won't be disappointed when Trump wins again.

Yes, in times of economic strife conservatives typically vote for populist candidates. Historically this doesn't tend to turn out well.

 

[bilby]

The Conservative vote was up a couple of percent. The Labour vote was down about ten percent (and even more in their traditional heartlands in the former mining and industrial towns of the North) - largely reflecting a return to 'normal' Labour voter turnout levels after the extraordinary turnout in 2017. The Tory Party also had extraordinary turnout in 2017, but were able to sustain that in 2019.

There wasn't much of a swing away from the left, and towards the right; There was just a fragmentation and decline of the left wing vote, while the right wing remained unified and turnout high.

The Conservatives got a bit less than 44% of the vote. Adding on the other right wing parties (the two unionist parties, UKIP and Brexit Party) gets you 48% of the voters opting for the 'right', and 52% for the 'left' - although much of the Brexit Party vote, particularly up North, came from 'never Tory' rusted-on Labour voters who are strong Brexit supporters but who would never consider themselves right wing; And arguably the Liberal Democratic Party is more centre than left by British standards, though they would be considered practically commies in the US).

Fewer than half of votes cast were for right wing candidates, and only 46% were cast for candidates who supported Brexit, vs 52% of votes cast for candidates who supported a "second referendum" on the issue.

 

[Derec]

Upset the socialist candidate was beaten into submission?

Bilby still thinks his guy Jezza is popular, despite a historic thumping/shellacking and despite an almost -50% net favorability.'

 

[bilby]

Upset the socialist candidate was beaten into submission?

Bilby still thinks his guy Jezza is popular, despite a historic thumping/shellacking and despite an almost -50% net favorability.'

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I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn is widely popular - indeed, it would be had to imagine anyone remaining widely popular with the public at large after such a large and protracted smear campaign against him.

But he's certainly popular with those who know him, including his Islington electorate, who gave him 64.3% of the vote, and a majority of over 26,000.

Anyway, the election is over, and he has announced that he won't contest the next election as Labour leader, so you can stop denigrating him now.

And the idea that Boris Johnson is popular is equally destroyed by your graph. It shows that he is less unpopular than Mr Corbyn; but a minus16% popularity rating is hardly something to brag about.

 

[Metaphor]

I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn is widely popular - indeed, it would be had to imagine anyone remaining widely popular with the public at large after such a large and protracted smear campaign against him.

What makes you think it's a smear campaign, and not his own policies, that have made him unpopular?

 

[Trausti]

The Great Realignment is a trans-Atlantic phenomenon.

 

[Jarhyn]

I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn is widely popular - indeed, it would be had to imagine anyone remaining widely popular with the public at large after such a large and protracted smear campaign against him.

What makes you think it's a smear campaign, and not his own policies, that have made him unpopular?

From what I've been gathering it's a little of smear campaigns, a bit more of bald faced conservative lies to support Brexit, and a vast majority of not taking a fucking oppositional stand against Britler.

 

[Trausti]

I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn is widely popular - indeed, it would be had to imagine anyone remaining widely popular with the public at large after such a large and protracted smear campaign against him.

What makes you think it's a smear campaign, and not his own policies, that have made him unpopular?

From what I've been gathering it's a little of smear campaigns, a bit more of bald faced conservative lies to support Brexit, and a vast majority of not taking a fucking oppositional stand against Britler.

Yeah, apparently working class Brits were too stupid to know what Brexit was really about. And it's surprising that they chose to reject Labour after Labour called them stupid working class stupid for supporting stupid Brexit. How stupid are they?

 

[bilby]

I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn is widely popular - indeed, it would be had to imagine anyone remaining widely popular with the public at large after such a large and protracted smear campaign against him.

What makes you think it's a smear campaign, and not his own policies, that have made him unpopular?

I trust the opinins of people who know him over those expressed by his ideological enemies in both politics and the press.

 

[bilby]

From what I've been gathering it's a little of smear campaigns, a bit more of bald faced conservative lies to support Brexit, and a vast majority of not taking a fucking oppositional stand against Britler.

Yeah, apparently working class Brits were too stupid to know what Brexit was really about. And it's surprising that they chose to reject Labour after Labour called them stupid working class stupid for supporting stupid Brexit. How stupid are they?

Well they are. Seriously fucking stupid.

Brexit is batshit insane - but perfectly designed to appeal to jingoism and nationalism, both of which are very common, and very stupid, attitudes.

Most people are fucking stupid. They believe that they can think despite never learning how, and never practicing; They believe that they are justified in being proud of other people's achievements, just because those people were born inside the same area on a map that they themselves were born in; and they believe that their opinions are equal with those of experts in every field, on the basis that facts can be determined democratically.

Fucking stupid.

 

[Trausti]

From what I've been gathering it's a little of smear campaigns, a bit more of bald faced conservative lies to support Brexit, and a vast majority of not taking a fucking oppositional stand against Britler.

Yeah, apparently working class Brits were too stupid to know what Brexit was really about. And it's surprising that they chose to reject Labour after Labour called them stupid working class stupid for supporting stupid Brexit. How stupid are they?

Well they are. Seriously fucking stupid.

Brexit is batshit insane - but perfectly designed to appeal to jingoism and nationalism, both of which are very common, and very stupid, attitudes.

Most people are fucking stupid. They believe that they can think despite never learning how, and never practicing; They believe that they are justified in being proud of other people's achievements, just because those people were born inside the same area on a map that they themselves were born in; and they believe that their opinions are equal with those of experts in every field, on the basis that facts can be determined democratically.

Fucking stupid.

Arrogance like the above makes the UK election results extra joyful.

 

[Trausti]

 

[bilby]

Well they are. Seriously fucking stupid.

Brexit is batshit insane - but perfectly designed to appeal to jingoism and nationalism, both of which are very common, and very stupid, attitudes.

Most people are fucking stupid. They believe that they can think despite never learning how, and never practicing; They believe that they are justified in being proud of other people's achievements, just because those people were born inside the same area on a map that they themselves were born in; and they believe that their opinions are equal with those of experts in every field, on the basis that facts can be determined democratically.

Fucking stupid.

Arrogance like the above makes the UK election results extra joyful.

It's not arrogance, it's observation. And as nobody's being asked to elect me to anything, it cannot possibly have influenced any election results at all. What's causing your smug feelings of joy is pride in the achievements of others who you have chosen to identify as your tribe - but just as though your favourite football team had won an important game, your feeling that it was an achievement of yours, or a failing of those who are fans of the other team, are stupid and misplaced. You weren't on the pitch. You have won nothing.

The reality remains that the result of the election will cause a great deal of unnecessary and in some cases deadly hardship for a large number of British people. I am being very charitable in attributing your joy at this to your being too fucking stupid to understand it.

 

[Trausti]

Well they are. Seriously fucking stupid.

Brexit is batshit insane - but perfectly designed to appeal to jingoism and nationalism, both of which are very common, and very stupid, attitudes.

Most people are fucking stupid. They believe that they can think despite never learning how, and never practicing; They believe that they are justified in being proud of other people's achievements, just because those people were born inside the same area on a map that they themselves were born in; and they believe that their opinions are equal with those of experts in every field, on the basis that facts can be determined democratically.

Fucking stupid.

Arrogance like the above makes the UK election results extra joyful.

It's not arrogance, it's observation. And as nobody's being asked to elect me to anything, it cannot possibly have influenced any election results at all. What's causing your smug feelings of joy is pride in the achievements of others who you have chosen to identify as your tribe - but just as though your favourite football team had won an important game, your feeling that it was an achievement of yours, or a failing of those who are fans of the other team, are stupid and misplaced. You weren't on the pitch. You have won nothing.

The reality remains that the result of the election will cause a great deal of unnecessary and in some cases deadly hardship for a large number of British people. I am being very charitable in attributing your joy at this to your being too fucking stupid to understand it.

Yes, you are so smart. Everyone else is stupid. Keep it up, and enjoy Conservative governments for years to come.

 

[bilby]

It's not arrogance, it's observation. And as nobody's being asked to elect me to anything, it cannot possibly have influenced any election results at all. What's causing your smug feelings of joy is pride in the achievements of others who you have chosen to identify as your tribe - but just as though your favourite football team had won an important game, your feeling that it was an achievement of yours, or a failing of those who are fans of the other team, are stupid and misplaced. You weren't on the pitch. You have won nothing.

The reality remains that the result of the election will cause a great deal of unnecessary and in some cases deadly hardship for a large number of British people. I am being very charitable in attributing your joy at this to your being too fucking stupid to understand it.

Yes, you are so smart. Everyone else is stupid. Keep it up, and enjoy Conservative governments for years to come.

As I said, I am not standing for election anywhere, so my pointing out the fact that the majority of voters are fucking stupid really doesn't influence the outcome of any elections. I think you are vastly overestimating my personal influence - apparently in an attempt to avoid considering the fact that I am right, and that you too are doomed to be governed by people who do what is popular, instead of what is best.

I am well aware that Conservative governments will continue until things get so bad that even the morons can't be persuaded that it's all the fault of minorities and immigrants and foreigners and the previous Labour administration, and that things can get very bad indeed before that point, despite the fact that the policies that are fucking them over have been driven by Conservative governments for decades.

But nonetheless I decline your invitation to join you in your cosy isolation from reality. Facts exist. Opinions are of little value, and uneducated opinions of far less. Popularity is a very poor guide to truth. And democracy without education is a force for evil.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

There were several issues involved here. To a certain extent, this was the "second referendum" that the remoaners wanted, and Brexit thumped remain. That the more socialist faction backed Brussels while the more conservative faction backed the UK was to a certain extent an interesting alignment.

 

[bilby]

There were several issues involved here. To a certain extent, this was the "second referendum" that the remoaners wanted, and Brexit thumped remain.

Considerably more votes were cast for 'remain' candidates nationally than for 'leave' candidates.

If this were a "second referendum", then remain won by a much larger margin than leave won in the 2016 poll.

That the more socialist faction backed Brussels while the more conservative faction backed the UK was to a certain extent an interesting alignment.

There were also more votes cast for 'left' candidates than for those on the 'right'.

But just as more Americans voted for Clinton than voted for Trump, the electoral system gives very different weights to voters in certain areas and (due to splitting) for certain parties than it does for others. The entire existence of the Brexit Party seems to have been calculated to split the 'not Conservative' vote, particularly in the industrial north; And it did so very effectively.

Certainly it's traditionally been a Tory position that membership of a European trade bloc is a good thing. This has finally been replaced by a realisation that xenophobia is popular, and a cynical decision that it's more important to win than it is to do the things you believe to be right - the Conservative Party used to have principles, but now power is seen as their goal, rather than as a means by which to work towards some other set of ideological goals. And the EU is seen as a check on their power (which of course it is, but that's not a bad thing).