maxparrish
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Should the Ukraine survive the next two years, at least it is likely that a President with backbone will be elected - one of the few reasons to welcome Hillary.
The Ukrainians are in desperate need of more than Obama's trivial and half-hearted ace bandages and aspirin - they need real weapons and real military supplies. Of most importance are those weapons that can be used in urban warfare and counter-insurgency.
There are plenty of choices on the arms market, but the Ukraine needs weapons that are from reliable suppliers (which leaves out the fickle french and the spineless Germans). US weapons are fine, so are others. Among the weapons that ought to be supplied, post haste:
1) The M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun System (MGS) was designed to provide direct fire support for infantry units. The MGS is one of 10 variants of the Stryker series of wheeled armored vehicle. The M1128 was designed for low-intensity combats and takes some of the main battle tank roles. Deliveries of first pre-production vehicles commenced in 2002 and vehicle entered service with the US Army in 2007.
It is armed with a M68A1E4 105-mm rifled tank gun. It is a modified version of the tank gun, used on the M1 Abrams and M60 series main battle tanks. This gun is fitted with an autoloader. The gun is fully-stabilized and can fire accurately on the move. The Mobile Gun System fires high-explosive, anti-tank and canister rounds.
or the ASCOD system of fighting vehicles:
2) Anti-Tank Missiles
a) Rafael, based in Haifa, Israel, manufactures the Spike family of anti-armour weapons. The weapons are lightweight fire-and-forget anti-tank missiles and use electro-optical and fibre-optic technologies. The systems are used by infantry soldiers, special rapid reaction forces, ground forces and helicopter aircrew.
Spike anti-tank missile family
The Spike family includes: Spike-SR with a range of 800m, Spike-MR (Gill) with range of 2,500m, Spike-LR with 4,000m range and Spike-ER (formerly known as NTD Dandy) with a range of 8,000m. Spike-LR and Spike-ER can also be fitted on light combat vehicles and a package for mounting Spike-ER on helicopters is also available. The Spike missile system is currently in production and in service with the Israeli, Dutch, Chilean, Colombian, Finnish, German, Polish, Italian, Peruvian, Spanish and Singaporean armed forces. Can be mounted on Infantry fighting vehicles (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/gill/).
b) Javelin Missile
The Javelin is considered the world's best shoulder fired anti-tank weapon and 12 nations currently operate the Javelin under foreign military sales from the US. Each missile weighs 11.8kg, while its command launch unit (CLU) and round weigh 6.4kg and 15.9kg respectively. The Javelin employs a long-wave infrared (LWIR) seeker for guidance to destroy tanks, bunkers, buildings, small vessel and low-speed helicopters with a high hit probability. It can also be fired from tripods, light armoured vehicles, trucks, and remotely piloted vehicles. It carries a tandem shaped charge enabling a maximum range of 2,500m.
c) LAHAT - Laser Homing Attack Missile
The laser homing attack missile (LAHAT) is a light-weight anti-tank guided missile produced by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI). It was initially developed for Merkava tanks, and can be fired from vehicles, helicopters, vessels and remote installations.
The LAHAT is a very compact missile with a length of 975mm and diameter of 104.5mm. It weighs 12.5kg and relies on semi-active laser (SAL) guidance to engage targets using direct or indirect designation system.
The missile can destroy stationary and moving targets at ranges up to 8km with pin-point accuracy. The high-performance armour piercing warhead ensures the LAHAT can penetrate even add-on reactive armour.
d)The next generation light antitank weapon (NLAW) developed by Saab Bofors Dynamics, is the first ever non-expert short-range anti-tank missile system operable by an individual soldier. The NLAW is in service with the armed forces of the United Kingdom, Finland, Luxembourg and Sweden. Each missile launch unit weighs just 12.5kg enabling one-man-portability in confined spaces. The NLAW weapon system approaches the target guided by predicted line of sight (PLOS). It employs overfly top attack (OTA) mode for tanks and other armoured targets, while direct attack (DA) mode is used for non-armoured targets. The single shape charge warhead of the NLAW has been designed to defeat modern MBTs fitted with ERA.
3) MBTanks - Of the many options:
a) The upgraded T72, the PT-91 Twardy. While the Leopard II would be the preferred option, the Germans are unreliable and spineless. The PT-91 (Polish) is a fully modernized tank with reactive armor, advanced fired control, auto-loading etc.
b) Merkava LIC - Modernized for urban warfare (and able to transport and be operated by minimally trained soldiers).
4) SP Artillery - G6, South Africa. One of the best, originally designed by the artillery genius Gerald Bull.
"However, the best of the towed guns – at least on paper - is from South Africa. The original G5 was developed by Dr. Gerald Bull (a real genius with guns, who was killed by an Israeli hit squad after he went to work for Saddam Hussein). Weighing in at 14 tons, it can reach out with conventional shells and hit targets as far as 39 kilometers away. The newer G5-52 extends this guns reach to just over 55 kilometers. Like the Russians, South Africa created a self-propelled version of this gun, the G6 (with the newer version being the G6-52). These guns reach even further (the extended-range version can fire “velocity-enhanced” projectiles as far as 67 kilometers)." http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles2005/200577234250.asp
The Ukrainians are in desperate need of more than Obama's trivial and half-hearted ace bandages and aspirin - they need real weapons and real military supplies. Of most importance are those weapons that can be used in urban warfare and counter-insurgency.
There are plenty of choices on the arms market, but the Ukraine needs weapons that are from reliable suppliers (which leaves out the fickle french and the spineless Germans). US weapons are fine, so are others. Among the weapons that ought to be supplied, post haste:
1) The M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun System (MGS) was designed to provide direct fire support for infantry units. The MGS is one of 10 variants of the Stryker series of wheeled armored vehicle. The M1128 was designed for low-intensity combats and takes some of the main battle tank roles. Deliveries of first pre-production vehicles commenced in 2002 and vehicle entered service with the US Army in 2007.
It is armed with a M68A1E4 105-mm rifled tank gun. It is a modified version of the tank gun, used on the M1 Abrams and M60 series main battle tanks. This gun is fitted with an autoloader. The gun is fully-stabilized and can fire accurately on the move. The Mobile Gun System fires high-explosive, anti-tank and canister rounds.
or the ASCOD system of fighting vehicles:
2) Anti-Tank Missiles
a) Rafael, based in Haifa, Israel, manufactures the Spike family of anti-armour weapons. The weapons are lightweight fire-and-forget anti-tank missiles and use electro-optical and fibre-optic technologies. The systems are used by infantry soldiers, special rapid reaction forces, ground forces and helicopter aircrew.
Spike anti-tank missile family
The Spike family includes: Spike-SR with a range of 800m, Spike-MR (Gill) with range of 2,500m, Spike-LR with 4,000m range and Spike-ER (formerly known as NTD Dandy) with a range of 8,000m. Spike-LR and Spike-ER can also be fitted on light combat vehicles and a package for mounting Spike-ER on helicopters is also available. The Spike missile system is currently in production and in service with the Israeli, Dutch, Chilean, Colombian, Finnish, German, Polish, Italian, Peruvian, Spanish and Singaporean armed forces. Can be mounted on Infantry fighting vehicles (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/gill/).
b) Javelin Missile
The Javelin is considered the world's best shoulder fired anti-tank weapon and 12 nations currently operate the Javelin under foreign military sales from the US. Each missile weighs 11.8kg, while its command launch unit (CLU) and round weigh 6.4kg and 15.9kg respectively. The Javelin employs a long-wave infrared (LWIR) seeker for guidance to destroy tanks, bunkers, buildings, small vessel and low-speed helicopters with a high hit probability. It can also be fired from tripods, light armoured vehicles, trucks, and remotely piloted vehicles. It carries a tandem shaped charge enabling a maximum range of 2,500m.
c) LAHAT - Laser Homing Attack Missile
The laser homing attack missile (LAHAT) is a light-weight anti-tank guided missile produced by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI). It was initially developed for Merkava tanks, and can be fired from vehicles, helicopters, vessels and remote installations.
The LAHAT is a very compact missile with a length of 975mm and diameter of 104.5mm. It weighs 12.5kg and relies on semi-active laser (SAL) guidance to engage targets using direct or indirect designation system.
The missile can destroy stationary and moving targets at ranges up to 8km with pin-point accuracy. The high-performance armour piercing warhead ensures the LAHAT can penetrate even add-on reactive armour.
d)The next generation light antitank weapon (NLAW) developed by Saab Bofors Dynamics, is the first ever non-expert short-range anti-tank missile system operable by an individual soldier. The NLAW is in service with the armed forces of the United Kingdom, Finland, Luxembourg and Sweden. Each missile launch unit weighs just 12.5kg enabling one-man-portability in confined spaces. The NLAW weapon system approaches the target guided by predicted line of sight (PLOS). It employs overfly top attack (OTA) mode for tanks and other armoured targets, while direct attack (DA) mode is used for non-armoured targets. The single shape charge warhead of the NLAW has been designed to defeat modern MBTs fitted with ERA.
3) MBTanks - Of the many options:
a) The upgraded T72, the PT-91 Twardy. While the Leopard II would be the preferred option, the Germans are unreliable and spineless. The PT-91 (Polish) is a fully modernized tank with reactive armor, advanced fired control, auto-loading etc.
b) Merkava LIC - Modernized for urban warfare (and able to transport and be operated by minimally trained soldiers).
4) SP Artillery - G6, South Africa. One of the best, originally designed by the artillery genius Gerald Bull.
"However, the best of the towed guns – at least on paper - is from South Africa. The original G5 was developed by Dr. Gerald Bull (a real genius with guns, who was killed by an Israeli hit squad after he went to work for Saddam Hussein). Weighing in at 14 tons, it can reach out with conventional shells and hit targets as far as 39 kilometers away. The newer G5-52 extends this guns reach to just over 55 kilometers. Like the Russians, South Africa created a self-propelled version of this gun, the G6 (with the newer version being the G6-52). These guns reach even further (the extended-range version can fire “velocity-enhanced” projectiles as far as 67 kilometers)." http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles2005/200577234250.asp
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