Unarmed white man shot by police.

[Bronzeage]

The headline reads "Man killed by Dothan cop had violent past"

With all the attention focused on police shootings in which a black man died, one would think this was a "Man bites dog" story, but it looks like the standard "I fought the law and the law won," scenario.

A man who died a few hours after being shot by a Dothan police officer outside the Dothan Animal Shelter on Tuesday had recently served time in jail for making threats to government employees and also had two women file protection orders against him earlier in the year.

This incident started when the man refused to show an ID at an animal shelter, after attempting to turn over an animal. The law requires an ID and rules are rules.

 

[Davka]

"Unarmed white man shot by police."

Well, it's about fucking time.

 

[Davka]

...but seriously...

We can't seem to teach our police to use minimal force - and considering the number of guns and concealed-carry permits and whatnot in this country, I'm not surprised.

 

[Bronzeage]

...but seriously...

We can't seem to teach our police to use minimal force - and considering the number of guns and concealed-carry permits and whatnot in this country, I'm not surprised.

So much for the idea of "A well armed society is a polite society."

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, on the upside, something will now be done about the problem of police violence.

 

[laughing dog]

Execution for attempted murder of an animal seems fair to me.

 

[thebeave]

Oh, that's just fucking great. Now protesters will be clogging the freeways all week long, chanting, "White Lives Matter!".

 

[repoman]

Robert EARL Lawrence. Case Closed.

 

[WAB]

Just another dead honky.

 

[tupac chopra]

This incident started when the man refused to show an ID at an animal shelter, after attempting to turn over an animal. The law requires an ID and rules are rules.

I wonder why they have that rule.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

This incident started when the man refused to show an ID at an animal shelter, after attempting to turn over an animal. The law requires an ID and rules are rules.

I wonder why they have that rule.

That's what I was thinking. When I was in the service I could turn in claymores and Light antitank weapons at the amnesty box but this guy needed to show ID to turn in a pet at the animal shelter.

 

[Davka]

I wonder why they have that rule.

That's what I was thinking. When I was in the service I could turn in claymores and Light antitank weapons at the amnesty box but this guy needed ID to turn in a pet at the animal shelter.

Maybe because they want to make sure people don't abuse animals and then dump them at the shelter? IDK. I'm pretty sure that if you abuse a claymore, you won't be turning it in anywhere.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

That's what I was thinking. When I was in the service I could turn in claymores and Light antitank weapons at the amnesty box but this guy needed ID to turn in a pet at the animal shelter.

Maybe because they want to make sure people don't abuse animals and then dump them at the shelter? IDK. I'm pretty sure that if you abuse a claymore, you won't be turning it in anywhere.

The guy was a nutjob no doubt, and society is better with him never having been born. And I was always very humane with my anti-personnel devices.

 

[ksen]

I like how the story spends most of its time talking about irrelevancies in order to justify the murder of an(other) unarmed civilian by a police officer.

 

[Davka]

66yeah, one of the most badly-written pieces I've seen in awhile.

 

[Rhea]

What a a strange case. If the article is right and the guy does have a habit of threatening government, there still has to be an _action_ that he did to warrant attempted arrest and then violence from the cop. The article mentions nothing. It just goes on about how it was okay to shoot him without ever saying that anything more was needed than a prior violence. (The article also names the ex wives - why!?)

I have to say, I find shelters to be surprisingly uncooperative about accepting animals. You'd think they'd take them all and any they can't handle they'd have to decide what to do about that. I have people drop cats off at my place All. The. Time. They seem to think that having a barn means I want their cat. I do not. I am allergic to cats and I don't want their territory scent around, either. Yet still they come.

Sometimes, when it is a piteous cold starving kitten I try to take it to the closest shelter for rescue. But they usually turn it away. Once I gave them a money donation and they took the kitten, and yes they asked for my name and address, but I get too many to always do that. First excuse is that I'm in the wrong county, despite me living only 4 miles from them vs. 35 miles from my county's rescue. The kitten doesn't care. Then they tell me I need to get on the waiting list - 6-7 weeks. Last time they told me that I sighed, "I don't think the kitten will last that long in this cold." They looked at me in horror, "You'd do that!? You'd put it back outside?" No, sweetheart. You would. I brought it to you, you won't take it.

So I can totally picture the guy trying to do the right thing and getting rebuffed and him being belligerent about the idiocy of that.

But to insist on an arrest to the point of death? Why!?

 

[Bronzeage]

That's what I was thinking. When I was in the service I could turn in claymores and Light antitank weapons at the amnesty box but this guy needed ID to turn in a pet at the animal shelter.

Maybe because they want to make sure people don't abuse animals and then dump them at the shelter? IDK. I'm pretty sure that if you abuse a claymore, you won't be turning it in anywhere.

The rule about identifying people who leave animals is for disease control records.

I work with a lot of bleeding heart animal shelter volunteers and it's a wonder the aren't all institutionalized before a year is up. The strangest people in the world walk into animal shelters, everyone from those who want "trainer" dogs for their pit bull to satanists who need a black cat for the weekend. They are used to dealing with people who have strange problems and never hesitate to call the police if a person sounds the least bit threatening.

The justification for these incidents always boils down to "He was trying to take my weapon away from me." This always brings up a peculiar circular logic. The policeman has the only gun and the victim's only threat is to take it from him. If the gun were not present, the scenario is much different. The "he tried to take my gun," excuse is ready made for any police involved shooting, especially when the policeman is the only living witness. When it's all said and done, the policeman is unlikely to be held responsible for any negligence on his part, which put him in this position in the first place. That would make the city, state, etc, partly responsible for the death of the civilian and that's not going to happen.

 

[Davka]

It's a lot like the "resisting arrest" charge. "Shut up or I'll arrest you." "On what charge?" "Don't question me - that's resisting arrest!" *slapping cuffs on*

 

[Rhea]

The justification for these incidents always boils down to "He was trying to take my weapon away from me." This always brings up a peculiar circular logic. The policeman has the only gun and the victim's only threat is to take it from him. If the gun were not present, the scenario is much different. The "he tried to take my gun," excuse is ready made for any police involved shooting, especially when the policeman is the only living witness. When it's all said and done, the policeman is unlikely to be held responsible for any negligence on his part, which put him in this position in the first place. That would make the city, state, etc, partly responsible for the death of the civilian and that's not going to happen.

excellent point.

 

[Wiploc]

...but seriously...

We can't seem to teach our police to use minimal force - and considering the number of guns and concealed-carry permits and whatnot in this country, I'm not surprised.

So much for the idea of "A well armed society is a polite society."

Right. He was guilty of cow tipping in an armed society. It says right in the OP that he was shot "after attempting to turn over an animal."