https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-birth-rate-unfpa-defunded-donald-trump-administration
Too bad it's unplanned births.
Yet another Republican victory!
Too bad it's unplanned births.
Yet another Republican victory!
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untermensche
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Favoring corporate interests over human interests is what gives you this.
We do not have a society.
We have huge areas of stagnant poverty and islands of wealth surrounded by gates.
And a government that only listens to the islands.
We do not have a society.
We have huge areas of stagnant poverty and islands of wealth surrounded by gates.
And a government that only listens to the islands.
Your eternal attempts to frame everything in terms of democracy vs dictatorship is as usual a total miss.
This has nothing to do with our governmental system, but rather the anti-sex attitudes of Christianity.
untermensche
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Education has nothing to do with governmental systems?
The problem is anti-sex attitudes from the Christians. While the government plays a role in this they have a lot of popular support. The masses can be wrong!
James Brown
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Is it your position that the anti-sex attitudes of Christians today is both A) more restrictive and B) more influential in culture than, say, during the 1950s?
Huh? I don't understand the relevance.
1) Oopses were hushed up back then. An awful lot of first babies somehow managed to be born in less than 9 months after marriage.
2) We have much better contraceptive options now.
James Brown
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Aren't those still unplanned births?
And it's your position that people aren't using those better contraceptives because of the anti-sex attitudes of Christians?
But they were hushed up, we weren't as aware of them.
I'm saying the oops rate can't be reasonably compared because it was much harder to avoid an oops back then.
fast
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Not wanting a 'cause' is not the wanting of an effect.
Besides, a 'cause' isn't a cause anyhow.
ruby sparks
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"Kanem says a lack of access to contraception, or a desire to use it, is part of the problem. Kanem says stigma and social pressure prevent many American women from using birth control.
"The health system theoretically makes contraception available for the young person, for the unmarried person, anywhere in the world," Kanem tells Ott, but "there's still a bit of stigma, there's still a bit of anxiety and concern about whether or not exercising your reproductive choice is the right thing to do.""
That is, frankly, incredible, if correct.
Oh no, sorry. Maybe the second one is referring to the world, not just the USA. It's not clear, because it refers to 'The health system' (singular).
But still, is there really still stigma and social pressure preventing many American women from using birth control? Gosh.
"The health system theoretically makes contraception available for the young person, for the unmarried person, anywhere in the world," Kanem tells Ott, but "there's still a bit of stigma, there's still a bit of anxiety and concern about whether or not exercising your reproductive choice is the right thing to do.""
That is, frankly, incredible, if correct.
Oh no, sorry. Maybe the second one is referring to the world, not just the USA. It's not clear, because it refers to 'The health system' (singular).
But still, is there really still stigma and social pressure preventing many American women from using birth control? Gosh.
ruby sparks
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From the paper:
This suggests that use of contraceptives (by women) is 70% in the USA, which is higher than in for example Australia, Spain, Austria, Italy, Sweden or Germany.
Which does not suggest that stigma and social pressure is preventing all that many American women from using birth control?
If so, why is the USA apparently (according to the same report) no.1 in the world for unplanned births?
This suggests that use of contraceptives (by women) is 70% in the USA, which is higher than in for example Australia, Spain, Austria, Italy, Sweden or Germany.
Which does not suggest that stigma and social pressure is preventing all that many American women from using birth control?
If so, why is the USA apparently (according to the same report) no.1 in the world for unplanned births?
IIRC, it's not the US as a whole which is the problem, but certain areas of the US which skew the numbers. In blue states, people are properly educated and know how to protect themselves and have access to abortion services if something goes wrong. In the red states, the fundies block access to sex education and go with abstinence training, which leads to more unplanned pregnancies and then they're barred access to abortion services for when those pregnancies happen.
fast
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When you say "block access to sex education," is that of the straight forward and there's nothing else to say variety, or is it with the strings are attached and everything else is mum variety?
For example, if a bill is introduced for something I want, and yet it's shot down, my surprise is left without wonder when I find out that accompanying what I want is something I most certainly don't want.
And by the way, when I hear the word "access" used, it seems to change meaning. For instance, a pay for your own shit mindset doesn't involve me making it difficult for someone to use their money to buy condoms, yet if my not paying for your shit means you don't have access, that's a bit different.
People have access to vehicles--both the ones they can't and can afford.
Elixir
Made in America
Scratching my head ... Chad, the Congo etc. must do a lot of birth planning since they don't use contraceptives, but lag behind the US in "unplanned births". Perhaps there is stigma attached to reporting a birth as un-planned?
TV and credit cards
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I would assume when your only source of entertainment is cheap booze and sex, unintended pregnancies would be through the roof.
This whole story is a head-scratcher as to the why of it.
It shocks me when I go to the Philippines and see how the Catholic church has made condoms far from the norm. It is very common there not to use them. The result is babies they can't afford to support, a social support system that isn't first world. It leads to a lot of needless suffering.
In a rich country like the USA, another factor could simply be that people don't plan against having kids because they can afford to have them. Some have an attitude that they are not specifically planning or trying to have a kid right away, but if they do, then that's a nice surprise.
In a rich country like the USA, another factor could simply be that people don't plan against having kids because they can afford to have them. Some have an attitude that they are not specifically planning or trying to have a kid right away, but if they do, then that's a nice surprise.
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Abstinence works as well today as it ever has.
Oops pregnancies were ignored rather than unknown. Birth control still fails. Not everyone who has an unplanned pregnancy wants to have an abortion.
Now women and girls have babies and the fathers feel not particularly compelled or interested in marriage, no matter how many babies result from the union. A big part of this is because if there is a marriage, there is a steep decline in state support of those babies.
Birth rates are declining rather steeply all over the developed world. So is the rate of marriage. So is the size of the middle class.
Elixir
Made in America
Yabut the prevalence is heavily weighted toward poor "red" areas. I suspect that religiosity has plenty to do with it in the US.
TV and credit cards
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And divorce is still illegal in the PI.
I had shore duty there assisting people with their passport/visa requirements. It pained me when a service member would come in with his Filipina spouse/fiancée to submit their documents and she had a child, possibly from a previous marriage to a Filipino. I would coach them without assuming anything. Just keep claiming that is your child shipmate. No matter what. The truth will be your undoing. They want you to lie to them. The couple would listen intently.
Worse still was when we would bring back a list of approved visa applications once a week. Occasionally, we would bring back a letter or two. I knew what these letters were: Your wife is legally married to some deadbeat in some remote province who ran out on his family and thus, her visa is denied. At this point, all I could do was ask them to open the letter outside and deal directly with the embassy from here on out.
Still the best job I ever had. I'd like to think my coaching got more than a few kids into the states with mom and dad.