Victory! HRC clinches the nomination!

[Ford]

Negative. She has won the required needed delegates according to the rules.

You really may have something there. You don't know what you are talking about. She is still counting unvoted votes. You believe in government by rumor. It not that big a stretch from government by rumor to war by rumor. Thanks for nothing fella.

According to the AP, she has the required 2383 delegates. They arrived at this number by adding her delegates already won to the number of pledged super delegates. Take away the super delegates and she has not clinched the nomination, but according to the AP those 571 supers are committed.

But all is not lost, scream the Sanders faithful!

So armed with a popular search engine and a calculator, I checked the prophecy of Sanders numbers.

If you add up the delegates that Sanders won (1521) plus the supers who support him (48), you wind up with 1569. In order to snatch the nomination away from Clinton, he has to get to the magic 2383 delegates. There are 694 delegates up for grabs tomorrow. If Bernie wins every single one, that brings him to 2263. In addition to completely sweeping tomorrow's races (something unlikely to happen) he'd have to swipe 120 super delegates away from Clinton.


Now, if Clinton secures 571 of the 694 up for grabs tomorrow, it is absolutely over for Bernie. Right now it is only 99.99% over.

 

[repoman]

They are officially unpledged, i.e. they can change their mind up until the convention. They are separate from the delegates the candidates win in primaries and caucuses. You claimed she has won enough delegates for the nomination. She has not.

It's a sad day for the Trumpsters!

Quite the contrary! She is the only Democratic nominee who can come close to Trump on negatives. Nominating a flawed candidate like Hillary would be the best thing that has happened to him since Cruz dropped out.

I think that the media has not launched into the proper strategy to bury Trump and let him bury himself. And they will succeed. They are very good at shaping opinion. They will find a way to do it without people seeing it.

Not to mention his novelty will start to wear off. And he will have the "oh yeah, I guess I won't go through with this crazy dare after all" psychology of people in the voting booth. It is one thing to be blustery and cocky about Trump in June, very different in November. Then it is real and scary - even for much of his base!

The only thing that will change that is if he plays the terrorist card right and an attack happens at the right timing. Then El Trumpo will win.

 

[Harry Bosch]

They are officially unpledged, i.e. they can change their mind up until the convention. They are separate from the delegates the candidates win in primaries and caucuses. You claimed she has won enough delegates for the nomination. She has not.

It's a sad day for the Trumpsters!

Quite the contrary! She is the only Democratic nominee who can come close to Trump on negatives. Nominating a flawed candidate like Hillary would be the best thing that has happened to him since Cruz dropped out.

Why do you think that the superdelegates will change their vote? Bernie has been attacking them from day one. Bernster dosn't like them. They genrally go the popular vote anyway.

 

[Derec]

Why do you think that the superdelegates will change their vote? Bernie has been attacking them from day one. Bernster dosn't like them. They genrally go the popular vote anyway.

They don't even have to go for Bernie. If Hillary proves untenable because of the Email scandal (or maybe she has another clot between now and the convention) they can back a compromise candidate.

 

[repoman]

You really may have something there. You don't know what you are talking about. She is still counting unvoted votes. You believe in government by rumor. It not that big a stretch from government by rumor to war by rumor. Thanks for nothing fella.

According to the AP, she has the required 2383 delegates. They arrived at this number by adding her delegates already won to the number of pledged super delegates. Take away the super delegates and she has not clinched the nomination, but according to the AP those 571 supers are committed.

But all is not lost, scream the Sanders faithful!

So armed with a popular search engine and a calculator, I checked the prophecy of Sanders numbers.

If you add up the delegates that Sanders won (1521) plus the supers who support him (48), you wind up with 1569. In order to snatch the nomination away from Clinton, he has to get to the magic 2383 delegates. There are 694 delegates up for grabs tomorrow. If Bernie wins every single one, that brings him to 2263. In addition to completely sweeping tomorrow's races (something unlikely to happen) he'd have to swipe 120 super delegates away from Clinton.


Now, if Clinton secures 571 of the 694 up for grabs tomorrow, it is absolutely over for Bernie. Right now it is only 99.99% over.

I agree with your accurate explanation. But that is not what the corrupt press is saying now or for this whole primary campaign.

 

[RavenSky]

Even HRC is tweeting that the AP has jumped the gun

 

[repoman]

Anything to keep the Bernouts (I voted for him ) from showing up in large numbers tomorrow.

 

[Jayjay]

They are officially unpledged, i.e. they can change their mind up until the convention. They are separate from the delegates the candidates win in primaries and caucuses. You claimed she has won enough delegates for the nomination. She has not.

Quite the contrary! She is the only Democratic nominee who can come close to Trump on negatives. Nominating a flawed candidate like Hillary would be the best thing that has happened to him since Cruz dropped out.

I think that the media has not launched into the proper strategy to bury Trump and let him bury himself. And they will succeed. They are very good at shaping opinion. They will find a way to do it without people seeing it.

Why do you think the "media" would like to bury Trump? What media wants, as they do in every election cycle, is a good drama and a close race. People might come to their senses in the voting booth as you said, but you would never see it from watching the 24 hour news cycle.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Even HRC is tweeting that the AP has jumped the gun

But since she's so dishonest, that means she actually won.

- - - Updated - - -

Hillary becomes the first woman to head a major US political party in the run for president. She's won the most popular votes, the most pledged delegates, the most super delegates, and the most delegates.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...o-win-democratic-nomination.html?intcmp=hpbt3

To Trump supporters: Game On!

Congratulations, you did it!

 

[barbos]

Sanders says superdelegates should not exist, so it's not over until it's over. And he has a point

 

[Harry Bosch]

Sanders says superdelegates should not exist, so it's not over until it's over. And he has a point

Okay. She won the popular vote by a wider margin.

 

[barbos]

Sanders says superdelegates should not exist, so it's not over until it's over. And he has a point

Okay. She won the popular vote by a wider margin.

Did she?

 

[Harry Bosch]

Okay. She won the popular vote by a wider margin.

Did she?

Buddy: let google be your guide! HRC has had more voters than any other politician, including Trump.

 

[barbos]

Did she?

Buddy: let google be your guide! HRC has had more voters than any other politician, including Trump.

It does not mean she won. It depends on how many delegates have left.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Buddy: let google be your guide! HRC has had more voters than any other politician, including Trump.

It does not mean she won. It depends on how many delegates have left.

How many would that be?

 

[barbos]

It does not mean she won. It depends on how many delegates have left.

How many would that be?

You tell me, you are a voter, I am not.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Buddy: let google be your guide! HRC has had more voters than any other politician, including Trump.

It does not mean she won. It depends on how many delegates have left.

My god the obtuseness in this thread is killing me. Sanders is not going to win by enough in California to take the majority of votes of pledged delegates. He fucking lost. Nothing was stolen, he isn't even a god damn Democrat! He ran up to a month ago, a wonderful positive campaign. He raised a ton of money. Of the states with 90 or more delegates (14), Sanders won 2 (Washington and Michigan). THAT IS WHY SANDERS LOST!

Now stop trying to sabotage our nation so that one of the worst candidates ever on a major ticket can possibly be elected President.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

How many would that be?

You tell me, you are a voter, I am not.

Well, the media announced that Obama will endorse her tomorrow or later this week. So, it's a sure thing if it wasn't already for the last month.

 

[barbos]

It does not mean she won. It depends on how many delegates have left.

My god the obtuseness in this thread is killing me. Sanders is not going to win by enough in California to take the majority of votes of pledged delegates. He fucking lost. Nothing was stolen, he isn't even a god damn Democrat! He ran up to a month ago, a wonderful positive campaign. He raised a ton of money. Of the states with 90 or more delegates (14), Sanders won 2 (Washington and Michigan). THAT IS WHY SANDERS LOST!

Now stop trying to sabotage our nation so that one of the worst candidates ever on a major ticket can possibly be elected President.

What if Hillary runs naked on the street shouting "I won!" and Sanders wins every vote (non superdelegate) left?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

My god the obtuseness in this thread is killing me. Sanders is not going to win by enough in California to take the majority of votes of pledged delegates. He fucking lost. Nothing was stolen, he isn't even a god damn Democrat! He ran up to a month ago, a wonderful positive campaign. He raised a ton of money. Of the states with 90 or more delegates (14), Sanders won 2 (Washington and Michigan). THAT IS WHY SANDERS LOST!

Now stop trying to sabotage our nation so that one of the worst candidates ever on a major ticket can possibly be elected President.

What if Hillary runs naked on the street shouting "I won!" and Sanders wins every vote (non superdelegate) left?

You are being delusional. Hillary won this before it even began. She has had the support of the Democratic establishment, meaning super delegates, most celebrities, corporate sponsors, and long-standing centrist connections in news media. Her former campaign manager is the head of the DNC and her supporters have headed the govts of the state Dem parties. News media has treated her with kid gloves over war issues because they are just as pro-war as she is. Bernie was never, ever going to win and now your fantasies about a naked Hillary streaking are too little too late. She's won. Just accept it like you should have done months ago.