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Victory! HRC clinches the nomination!

 
 
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Hillary won this before it even began. She has had the support of the Democratic establishment, meaning super delegates, most celebrities, corporate sponsors, and long-standing centrist connections in news media. Her former campaign manager is the head of the DNC and her supporters have headed the govts of the state Dem parties. News media has treated her with kid gloves over war issues because they are just as pro-war as she is. Bernie was never, ever going to win and now your fantasies about a naked Hillary streaking are too little too late. She's won. Just accept it like you should have done months ago.
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I detect a smidgen of bitterness there!

It is worth remembering what Bernie accomplished. Clinton was declared inevitable before she even announced. When she did, she was called the front-runner - and for a lot of the reasons you listed. Long-standing support that she'd been building for 15 years or more. A campaign built upon the back of Obama's apparatus combined with her own considerable political network. She's been in many ways running for the White House since she moved out.

Sanders was written off as a long shot from the moment he entered the race...and with good reasons. A self-declared socialist from a small state with no real campaign apparatus, no establishment support, and didn't warrant that support because he was never registered as a Democrat in the first place. He's as much of a Democrat as Hillary was a New Yorker when she decided to run for Senate.

Yet he's going to wind up with nearly as many regular delegates as Hillary. Not enough to win, but considering her advantages and his disadvantages at the beginning of this god-awfully long process, he's done something remarkable. He's not Ali shocking the world by beating Sonny Liston, but he's at least Rocky going the distance against Creed.

Rocky, if you'll recall, didn't win. But it was still an inspiring story.
 
Ford said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Hillary won this before it even began. She has had the support of the Democratic establishment, meaning super delegates, most celebrities, corporate sponsors, and long-standing centrist connections in news media. Her former campaign manager is the head of the DNC and her supporters have headed the govts of the state Dem parties. News media has treated her with kid gloves over war issues because they are just as pro-war as she is. Bernie was never, ever going to win and now your fantasies about a naked Hillary streaking are too little too late. She's won. Just accept it like you should have done months ago.
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I detect a smidgen of bitterness there!
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Not really that much, I'm being as realistic as I was months ago when I said that Clinton would win because she had establishment support.

Ford said:
It is worth remembering what Bernie accomplished. Clinton was declared inevitable before she even announced. When she did, she was called the front-runner - and for a lot of the reasons you listed. Long-standing support that she'd been building for 15 years or more. A campaign built upon the back of Obama's apparatus combined with her own considerable political network. She's been in many ways running for the White House since she moved out.
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Yes, you're right. I wouldn't attribute much to Obama though. They've both been part of the same circle of New Democrats, DLC, PPI, Third Way, etc.

Ford said:
Sanders was written off as a long shot from the moment he entered the race...and with good reasons. A self-declared socialist from a small state with no real campaign apparatus, no establishment support, and didn't warrant that support because he was never registered as a Democrat in the first place. He's as much of a Democrat as Hillary was a New Yorker when she decided to run for Senate.
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Not exactly. Sanders does represent the Democrats before the corporate Democrats took over using the groups I mentioned above: DLC, New Democrats, etc. In fact, Bernie co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which was comprised of himself and progressives who mostly were not members of the other factions of the party: Cynthia McKinney, Dennis Kucinich, Maxine Waters, etc. Bernie was as much a Democrat as such progressives. You might argue that they are Greens even, but the Democrats have had a progressive faction for a long time...

Ford said:
Yet he's going to wind up with nearly as many regular delegates as Hillary. Not enough to win, but considering her advantages and his disadvantages at the beginning of this god-awfully long process, he's done something remarkable. He's not Ali shocking the world by beating Sonny Liston, but he's at least Rocky going the distance against Creed.

Rocky, if you'll recall, didn't win. But it was still an inspiring story.
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I am a little skeptical of this. The establishment could not be beaten. It's not about Bernie either. He's not a hero--he's some guy who wanted to be President. What it's about is whether someone--a real progressive--could win.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
My condolences to the Democratic Party.

8 years ago you had Obama to save you from this. Now nobody can save you from this.
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Dude, we have decades and decades more ahead. If you think Obama was our final chance, that's fairly presumptuous at best.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
barbos said:
What if Hillary runs naked on the street shouting "I won!" and Sanders wins every vote (non superdelegate) left?
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You are being delusional. Hillary won this before it even began. She has had the support of the Democratic establishment, meaning super delegates, most celebrities, corporate sponsors, and long-standing centrist connections in news media. Her former campaign manager is the head of the DNC and her supporters have headed the govts of the state Dem parties. News media has treated her with kid gloves over war issues because they are just as pro-war as she is. Bernie was never, ever going to win and now your fantasies about a naked Hillary streaking are too little too late. She's won. Just accept it like you should have done months ago.
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I am not delusional. I expect her to win nomination but she has not won yet. Super-delegates can change their minds so mathematically she has not won yet.
 
I think that is the whole reason behind this early "announcement". To suppress the Bernie vote today in California (why vote if she's already won?). The sole purpose is to keep California from being a smack down on HRC, which won't play well going into the election.
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fromderinside said:
Apparently Fuax News was reporting the AP's finding after they surveyed super delegates. NY Times is running a the story as well. Clinton has delegates for nomination, AP reports http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/07/u...st-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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If you are in California, go to the polls tomorrow and do not listen to this shit.:rolleyesa:
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I think it's more likely that these uncommitted super delegates wanted to get their support for her registered before she officially clinched the nomination.
 
Playball40 said:
I think that is the whole reason behind this early "announcement". To suppress the Bernie vote today in California (why vote if she's already won?). The sole purpose is to keep California from being a smack down on HRC, which won't play well going into the election.
arkirk said:
If you are in California, go to the polls tomorrow and do not listen to this shit.:rolleyesa:
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There's no doubt that Hillary's camp is wanting to unite the party and start fighting Trump. It's going to take an incredible campaign to defeat his platform.
 
Harry_Bosch said:
There's no doubt that Hillary's camp is wanting to unite the party and start fighting Trump.
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The Hillary camp wants the same thing as the Bernie camp and as the Trump camp---to win. If they just wanted to "unite the party," then they'd let Bernie win. And if the Bernie campaign just wanted to unite the party, then they'd let Hillary win. It's about winning. No one is an idealist.
 
Will Wiley said:
Harry_Bosch said:
Hillary becomes the first woman to head a major US political party in the run for president. She's won the most popular votes, the most pledged delegates, the most super delegates, and the most delegates.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...o-win-democratic-nomination.html?intcmp=hpbt3

To Trump supporters: Game On!
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Unfortunately it's not a game.
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Pot, Kettle, Black.

Sorry, but I'm going to keep pointing out your hyprocritical bull shit.
 
Via his spokesman
Bernie Sanders responds

It is unfortunate that the media, in a rush to judgment, are ignoring the Democratic National Committee's clear statement that it is wrong to count the votes of superdelegates before they actually vote at the convention this summer.

Secretary Clinton does not have and will not have the requisite number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination. She will be dependent on superdelegates who do not vote until July 25 and who can change their minds between now and then. They include more than 400 superdelegates who endorsed Secretary Clinton 10 months before the first caucuses and primaries and long before any other candidate was in the race.

Our job from now until the convention is to convince those superdelegates that Bernie is by far the strongest candidate against Donald Trump.
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Will Wiley said:
Harry_Bosch said:
Hillary becomes the first woman to head a major US political party in the run for president. She's won the most popular votes, the most pledged delegates, the most super delegates, and the most delegates.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...o-win-democratic-nomination.html?intcmp=hpbt3

To Trump supporters: Game On!
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Unfortunately it's not a game.
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Yes, and what I think of when you post that is you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Harry_Bosch said:
There's no doubt that Hillary's camp is wanting to unite the party and start fighting Trump.
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The Hillary camp wants the same thing as the Bernie camp and as the Trump camp---to win. If they just wanted to "unite the party," then they'd let Bernie win. And if the Bernie campaign just wanted to unite the party, then they'd let Hillary win. It's about winning. No one is an idealist.
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Yea, it's about winning. Do you blame the HRC camp? I don't think that anyone wants to discredit Bernie. They see Trump rising in the polls as HRC fights a two front fight. She's getting pounding by Trump's nonsense, while trying to protect her flank. A divided democratic group will lose to Trump.
 
Harry_Bosch said:
Derec said:
No she has not. Superdelegates do not choose until the convention (that is why they are also called unpledged delegates) and should thus not be included in the count at this point.
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These super delegates have pledged to vote for Hillary.
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They have stated their intent. There is no such thing as a pledged unpledged super-delegate. Their intent can change.

Not that it will, because the whole point of super-delegates is to keep Bernie from winning!12!!!!1
 
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