VW -- the deceit was known at the executive level, smoking gun found

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/b...keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article&_r=0

Way back in 2006. Their goose is cooked.

 

[Jayjay]

I bet that in real life conditions that smoking gun would have twice as much smoke.

 

[barbos]

VW makes clean diesel powered guns now?

 

[fromderinside]

groan

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

What were the actual emissions levels?

 

[barbos]

What were the actual emissions levels?

up to 40 times higher.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

What were the actual emissions levels?

up to 40 times higher.

That's a ratio, not an amount. And "up to" are weasel words.

 

[barbos]

up to 40 times higher.

That's a ratio, not an amount. And "up to" are weasel words.

Well, that's what they say. I don't think it matters, what matters is that VW lied in order to make money.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It matters because people are getting outraged when they don't even know what they're outraged about, and VW is taking a gigantic financial hit over this uninformed outrage.

 

[barbos]

It matters because people are getting outraged when they don't even know what they're outraged about, and VW is taking a gigantic financial hit over this uninformed outrage.

I know what I am outraged about - criminal act of intentional deception.
US has set emission limits for everybody, you are either follow them or leave the market if you think they are unrealistic.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yes, they found a way to pass the test that bypassed the regulatory agency. And we don't even know what the actual emissions levels were. Crucifixion isn't harsh enough for the VW executives.

 

[barbos]

Yes, they found a way to pass the test that bypassed the regulatory agency. And we don't even know what the actual emissions levels were. Crucifixion isn't harsh enough for the VW executives.

We know actual emissions levels, it was measured and reported.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yes, they found a way to pass the test that bypassed the regulatory agency. And we don't even know what the actual emissions levels were. Crucifixion isn't harsh enough for the VW executives.

We know actual emissions levels, it was measured and reported.

Oh, so you can answer my original question.

 

[barbos]

We know actual emissions levels, it was measured and reported.

Oh, so you can answer my original question.

Yes, my answer is "google it"
If googling is too hard for you then:

Show

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Emission_standards

 

[ZiprHead]

The Libertarian that thinks government should be limited to preventing fraud in the marketplace defending a company that committed fraud.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

The Libertarian that thinks government should be limited to preventing fraud in the marketplace defending a company that committed fraud.

Who did they commit fraud against?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Eu tu, Mitsubishi?

http://boingboing.net/2016/04/26/mitsubishis-dieselgate-chea.html

(Admittedly, this is about fuel economy rather than emissions.)

 

[ZiprHead]

The Libertarian that thinks government should be limited to preventing fraud in the marketplace defending a company that committed fraud.

Who did they commit fraud against?

They sold cars claiming to be clean diesel but knew they weren't. The people who bought those cars were victims.

 

[RavenSky]

Who did they commit fraud against?

They sold cars claiming to be clean diesel but knew they weren't. The people who bought those cars were victims.

And everyone else, too. Everyone is affected by the damage to our environment whether you own the car or not.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I think the actual victim is the government, not the people. They got a clean car, but it was only actually clean and not government clean.

And that's why I don't think highly of this fraud case.

The proof that it was actually clean and not government clean? I know what the emissions were, nobody hear can answer my question as to what the emission were, they are outraged and ignorant at the same time.