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I had started a thread a long time ago, I think about having just discovered the painfully obvious for the first time, but I can't find it.

Like that I had never noticed that Dark Helmet was wearing shorts.

I had another moment (well, they are more common than I'd like to admit) of this when I found out that Dark Side of the Moon was released in 1973, after Close to the Edge. I was like, what?! It is funny, because I thought the album was 1970 or 1971 and was breaking barriers of which Yes and Genesis would immediately expand on... then to find out that Yes and Genesis are releasing their best material before Dark Side of the Moon. Meaning that Pink Floyd was in line (or possibly even behind) with the development of the other two prog giants.

So what things were you painfully wrong or oblivious about?
 
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I remembered the other thing. I had never noticed that Tony Banks was wearing a cast on the The Yes Album album cover. Apparently they came from a hospital that morning after Banks nearly killed the band in a head on, stormy late night crash after a gig.
 

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I never noticed that Ivanka Trump was really stupid and without much personality until a couple of years into her father's Presidency.
 

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I remembered the other thing. I had never noticed that Tony Banks was wearing a cast on the The Yes Album album cover. Apparently they came from a hospital that morning after Banks nearly killed the band in a head on, stormy late night crash after a gig.


Wait till you find out Tony Banks was not in Yes.

Tony Kaye and Peter Banks were, but Tony Banks is from some other band. :wink:

I'll admit though I didn't know that about the cast neither.
 

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I remembered the other thing. I had never noticed that Tony Banks was wearing a cast on the The Yes Album album cover. Apparently they came from a hospital that morning after Banks nearly killed the band in a head on, stormy late night crash after a gig.


Wait till you find out Tony Banks was not in Yes.

Tony Kaye and Peter Banks were, but Tony Banks is from some other band. :wink:

I'll admit though I didn't know that about the cast neither.

I do know that, but screw it up anyway.
 

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Meanwhile, apparently I never knew there was gambling on pre-season NFL Football. I saw on Yahoo there was a betting spread for the Browns game, and I asked myself, how in the heck do you gamble on a preseason football game?! Sports gambling is a bit of a fools errand to begin with, but preseason?! What is the basis for knowing how 11th string players will perform?
 

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Every C in 'Pacific Ocean' is pronounced differently.
The American language is designed to keep us ignorant and at odds with each other. Even we can't speak it.
And no word means any one thing all the time.

That's why Satan gave us power over the rest of humanity, especially the English. Because we're His favourites*.
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*See what I did there?
 

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Almost a year ago now, my bloodwork was dropping not so subtle hints to quit drinking. I negotiated a once a week agreement. It seems to be holding.
I’m just shocked how productive I am now. It’s like I want to accomplish something everyday, save for Saturdays, obviously. Man, if I had known this 45 years ago, I can only imagine what great things I might have accomplished.
 

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Almost a year ago now, my bloodwork was dropping not so subtle hints to quit drinking. I negotiated a once a week agreement. It seems to be holding.
I’m just shocked how productive I am now. It’s like I want to accomplish something everyday, save for Saturdays, obviously. Man, if I had known this 45 years ago, I can only imagine what great things I might have accomplished.

Cut down the one time per week to zero and you'll find yourself eagerly doing dishes, and walking on the spot in your living room.
 

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Every C in 'Pacific Ocean' is pronounced differently.
The American language is designed to keep us ignorant and at odds with each other. Even we can't speak it.
And no word means any one thing all the time.

That's why Satan gave us power over the rest of humanity, especially the English. Because we're His favourites*.
Tom

*See what I did there?
There's no such thing as "the American language".

The Americas have hundreds of languages, the most commonly spoken of which today is Spanish.

If by "American" you instead refer exclusively to the USA, then there's no official US language, but the most commonly spoken language in the US is English, followed closely by Spanish.

American English and American Spanish differ somewhat from other dialects of these languages, but neither can be called "the American language", without loss of clarity of meaning.

I guess American Spanish might one day be called "the American language", though there's probably too much variation in Spanish dialects across the Americas for them to all be bundled together as a single language in a rational way, without also encompassing European Spanish, at which point, it's easier and more comprehensible to just say "Spanish".
 

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I guess American Spanish might one day be called "the American language",
Nope. Too fluid. We have different dialects on either side of Massachusetts, and it's a tiny, tiny state, arguing over how many Rs are pronounced in Worchester, car, and pizza.

'American' language will always be the idiomatic equivalent of three raccoons stacked in a trench coat trying to sneak into a buffet.
 

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Nope. Too fluid. We have different dialects on either side of Massachusetts, and it's a tiny, tiny state, arguing over how many Rs are pronounced in Worchester, car, and pizza.
Do people really say "Peetzer?"
 

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Nope. Too fluid. We have different dialects on either side of Massachusetts, and it's a tiny, tiny state, arguing over how many Rs are pronounced in Worchester, car, and pizza.
Do people really say "Peetzer?"
Worchester... the argument is over proouncing it Wooster or Worster.
Car or Caw (and then arguing if it's caw or cah)
Peeza, peetza, peetzar, yes.

Just sprinkle r's randomly over a page of text, then delete every thi'd one, you have Mass. diar-logue.
 

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There's no such thing as "the American language".

The Americas have hundreds of languages, the most commonly spoken of which today is Spanish.
Yeah yeah,

But when I try(and I have) to use more precision, like refer to US residents as "USonians" as opposed to Americans, some pedantic person like you points out that USonian isn't a word. Then ignores what I actually said.
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There's no such thing as "the American language".

The Americas have hundreds of languages, the most commonly spoken of which today is Spanish.
Yeah yeah,

But when I try(and I have) to use more precision, like refer to US residents as "USonians" as opposed to Americans, some pedantic person like you points out that USonian isn't a word. Then ignores what I actually said.
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"American English" is a perfectly cromulent phrase.

"The American language" is nonsense.

'USonian' is a good neologism; Its meaning is clear, and it's not already in use to mean something completely different.

"American language" is already a meaningful phrase and clearly a plural set; Saying "The American language" is therefore a recipe for both insult and misunderstanding, so it's a poor choice of phrase in any context.

My objection is not founded in prescriptivism, and I would thank you not to lump me in with the prescriptivist pedants you may have encountered elsewhere.
 

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People from the United States refer to themselves as Americans abs are referred to people of other nations as Americans ( in addition to a variety of epithets.)

Get over it.
 

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People from the United States refer to themselves as Americans abs are referred to people of other nations as Americans ( in addition to a variety of epithets.)

Get over it.
I never suggested otherwise, and yet again you are apparently livid at my position of not disagreeing with anything you are saying, because I had the temerity to mention your country without making my comment a haigiography.

You have a massive patriotism chip on your shoulder, and appear to think that I give crap the first about patriotism of any kind or by anyone - including me.

Your country sucks. So do both of mine. It's not smart of you to take it personally, to the point of seeing slights where none exist.
 

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Almost a year ago now, my bloodwork was dropping not so subtle hints to quit drinking. I negotiated a once a week agreement. It seems to be holding.
I’m just shocked how productive I am now. It’s like I want to accomplish something everyday, save for Saturdays, obviously. Man, if I had known this 45 years ago, I can only imagine what great things I might have accomplished.

Well that's odd. I have the opposite problem. I forgot to drink alcohol for almost 2 years.
Some months ago (May, iirc), I finally remembered to go by the liquor store. Picked up a bottle of brandy, a bottle of brandy and a bottle of sparkling wine. Mrs Elixir had quit drinking altogether several years prior, and due to my inability to remember to drink, those bottles are still on the shelf, two of them unopened. The brandy is down almost halfway to empty, because in the last few weeks I have remembered (at least 4 days a week) to take a shot before bed.
It's amazing how much better I sleep, wake up early and ready to go... EXACTLY the same things Mrs Elixir and TV&C noticed upon stopping drinking (Mrs' blood pressure went WAY down).
I drink to your health TV&C... if I remember to drink.
 

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Almost a year ago now, my bloodwork was dropping not so subtle hints to quit drinking. I negotiated a once a week agreement. It seems to be holding.
I’m just shocked how productive I am now. It’s like I want to accomplish something everyday, save for Saturdays, obviously. Man, if I had known this 45 years ago, I can only imagine what great things I might have accomplished.

Well that's odd. I have the opposite problem. I forgot to drink alcohol for almost 2 years.
Some months ago (May, iirc), I finally remembered to go by the liquor store. Picked up a bottle of brandy, a bottle of brandy and a bottle of sparkling wine. Mrs Elixir had quit drinking altogether several years prior, and due to my inability to remember to drink, those bottles are still on the shelf, two of them unopened. The brandy is down almost halfway to empty, because in the last few weeks I have remembered (at least 4 days a week) to take a shot before bed.
It's amazing how much better I sleep, wake up early and ready to go... EXACTLY the same things Mrs Elixir and TV&C noticed upon stopping drinking (Mrs' blood pressure went WAY down).
I drink to your health TV&C... if I remember to drink.

When I was on pat leave during Spring of last year I snuck a few drams of Scotch. I continued for a few months after my leave but eventually realized that even one drink slowed me down, and my wife was forced to pick up the slack.

After that I couldn't drink in good conscience anymore. So what had already been a minimal habit for a few years disappeared completely. This year my wife and I had a bottle of wine for mother's day, wanted to die for a few days, and that's been about it.
 

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Almost a year ago now, my bloodwork was dropping not so subtle hints to quit drinking. I negotiated a once a week agreement. It seems to be holding.
I’m just shocked how productive I am now. It’s like I want to accomplish something everyday, save for Saturdays, obviously. Man, if I had known this 45 years ago, I can only imagine what great things I might have accomplished.

Well that's odd. I have the opposite problem. I forgot to drink alcohol for almost 2 years.
Some months ago (May, iirc), I finally remembered to go by the liquor store. Picked up a bottle of brandy, a bottle of brandy and a bottle of sparkling wine. Mrs Elixir had quit drinking altogether several years prior, and due to my inability to remember to drink, those bottles are still on the shelf, two of them unopened. The brandy is down almost halfway to empty, because in the last few weeks I have remembered (at least 4 days a week) to take a shot before bed.
It's amazing how much better I sleep, wake up early and ready to go... EXACTLY the same things Mrs Elixir and TV&C noticed upon stopping drinking (Mrs' blood pressure went WAY down).
I drink to your health TV&C... if I remember to drink.

When I was on pat leave during Spring of last year I snuck a few drams of Scotch. I continued for a few months after my leave but eventually realized that even one drink slowed me down, and my wife was forced to pick up the slack.

After that I couldn't drink in good conscience anymore. So what had already been a minimal habit for a few years disappeared completely. This year my wife and I had a bottle of wine for mother's day, wanted to die for a few days, and that's been about it.

That's hilarious!
Alcohol is some strange stuff... there is no doubt that the toxicology maxim applies in spades "the dose makes the poison".
Effective use (for my purposes) means ½ to 1oz of brandy, taken right before bed and after my evening hydration ritual water and/or herbal tea. Deviation from that formula is fraught with peril - took a double shot one night and didn't sleep well and woke up foggy. Same result if not sufficiently hydrated. Hopefully never revisiting that "wanted to die" territory again!
 

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Almost a year ago now, my bloodwork was dropping not so subtle hints to quit drinking. I negotiated a once a week agreement. It seems to be holding.
I’m just shocked how productive I am now. It’s like I want to accomplish something everyday, save for Saturdays, obviously. Man, if I had known this 45 years ago, I can only imagine what great things I might have accomplished.

Well that's odd. I have the opposite problem. I forgot to drink alcohol for almost 2 years.
Some months ago (May, iirc), I finally remembered to go by the liquor store. Picked up a bottle of brandy, a bottle of brandy and a bottle of sparkling wine. Mrs Elixir had quit drinking altogether several years prior, and due to my inability to remember to drink, those bottles are still on the shelf, two of them unopened. The brandy is down almost halfway to empty, because in the last few weeks I have remembered (at least 4 days a week) to take a shot before bed.
It's amazing how much better I sleep, wake up early and ready to go... EXACTLY the same things Mrs Elixir and TV&C noticed upon stopping drinking (Mrs' blood pressure went WAY down).
I drink to your health TV&C... if I remember to drink.

When I was on pat leave during Spring of last year I snuck a few drams of Scotch. I continued for a few months after my leave but eventually realized that even one drink slowed me down, and my wife was forced to pick up the slack.

After that I couldn't drink in good conscience anymore. So what had already been a minimal habit for a few years disappeared completely. This year my wife and I had a bottle of wine for mother's day, wanted to die for a few days, and that's been about it.

That's hilarious!
Alcohol is some strange stuff... there is no doubt that the toxicology maxim applies in spades "the dose makes the poison".
Effective use (for my purposes) means ½ to 1oz of brandy, taken right before bed and after my evening hydration ritual water and/or herbal tea. Deviation from that formula is fraught with peril - took a double shot one night and didn't sleep well and woke up foggy. Same result if not sufficiently hydrated. Hopefully never revisiting that "wanted to die" territory again!

Yea, my limit is likely a half ounce now too, but that little Scotch is just a tease.

Unfortunately, I don't even get any type of inebriation benefit from alcohol anymore, I drink it and immediately feel worse. I'm still holding out for a well-crafted, alcohol-free Oatmeal Stout, but it could be a long wait.
 

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Yea, my limit is likely a half ounce now too, but that little Scotch is just a tease.

That's one reason I use (relatively) cheap brandy. One big swallow and done, with no desire to re-visit it.
Single-malt highland scotch is too delicious - I'd keep sipping on it once started.
 

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For anyone else in the 95% of the world who has no clue what quantity of booze is being discussed:

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The funny thing is, the desperate clinging to the English system of measurement is only for length and mass. Mass/weight, we have the pound and ton, use that quite a bit. Of course, not useful for weighing small things.

A: Hey you... how many ounces does this weigh?
B: I dunno what an ounce is.

Length/Area have several things are used to all around.

When it comes to volumes, milk (gallon) and cooking (cup/teaspoon/tablespoon) are the only basis for American use of the English System. I bet 99% of America wouldn't be able to determine how much fluid an ounce is (yeah, we have a unit for both volume and mass!). I know I can't. Too bad we can't abandon English for at least volumes.
 

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For anyone else in the 95% of the world who has no clue what quantity of booze is being discussed:

View attachment 36396
The funny thing is, the desperate clinging to the English system of measurement is only for length and mass. Mass/weight, we have the pound and ton, use that quite a bit. Of course, not useful for weighing small things.

A: Hey you... how many ounces does this weigh?
B: I dunno what an ounce is.

Length/Area have several things are used to all around.

When it comes to volumes, milk (gallon) and cooking (cup/teaspoon/tablespoon) are the only basis for American use of the English System. I bet 99% of America wouldn't be able to determine how much fluid an ounce is (yeah, we have a unit for both volume and mass!). I know I can't. Too bad we can't abandon English for at least volumes.
You do know that the English have never used the system you call 'the English system', right?

I mean, they used to use a system that was very similar to it, but not only have they now largely replaced that system, their old system used at home was significantly and deliberately different from that used in their colonies.

For example, in England, "A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter", as we were taught to recite in school.

"A pint's a pound" is true in the former British colonies of the Americas, but "the whole world 'round" was always a barefaced lie, sold to you by people who wanted to boost their excise duties by 20%.
 

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Today I learned that Australia has a Minister of Sport. Apparently, so does England?

I don’t know what to think about that. It never occurred to me that sports rose to that level of importance. I honestly find it…flaberghasting.
 

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Today I learned that Australia has a Minister of Sport. Apparently, so does England?

I don’t know what to think about that. It never occurred to me that sports rose to that level of importance. I honestly find it…flaberghasting.
Are you kidding? Minister for Sport is like the second most senior cabinet position. Prime Minister, then the Ministers for Sport, Treasury, Foreign Affairs and Trade, Defence...
 

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Today I learned that Australia has a Minister of Sport. Apparently, so does England?

I don’t know what to think about that. It never occurred to me that sports rose to that level of importance. I honestly find it…flaberghasting.
Are you kidding? Minister for Sport is like the second most senior cabinet position. Prime Minister, then the Ministers for Sport, Treasury, Foreign Affairs and Trade, Defence...
..Silly Walks
 

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Today I learned that Australia has a Minister of Sport. Apparently, so does England?

I don’t know what to think about that. It never occurred to me that sports rose to that level of importance. I honestly find it…flaberghasting.
Are you kidding? Minister for Sport is like the second most senior cabinet position. Prime Minister, then the Ministers for Sport, Treasury, Foreign Affairs and Trade, Defence...
So, if the PM gets hit in the face by a soccer ball (excuse me: a football) and dies, does the Minister of Sport take over until there is a new election? Or is that the Silly Walks guy?
 
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President Biden Secretary of Sport nominee refused to answer questions regarding the tuck ruling earlier today during their confirmation hearing. GOP Senators vocalized dismay that the nominee kept pushing aside the questions on the tuck ruling. "America feels very strongly about the tuck rule in 2001," noted Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. "And they deserve to know how this nominee felt about the ruling."
 

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Today I learned that Australia has a Minister of Sport. Apparently, so does England?

I don’t know what to think about that. It never occurred to me that sports rose to that level of importance. I honestly find it…flaberghasting.
Are you kidding? Minister for Sport is like the second most senior cabinet position. Prime Minister, then the Ministers for Sport, Treasury, Foreign Affairs and Trade, Defence...
So, if the PM gets hit in the face by a soccer ball (excuse me: a football) and dies, does the Minister of Sport take over until there is a new election? Or is that the Silly Walks guy?
The PM is just a figurehead. The Minister for Sport basically runs the country.

Silly Walks is a roaming portfolio that is assigned to whichever ministry Barnaby Joyce heads at any given time.
 

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(1) America is a polity WITHIN North America. The larger region bilby refers to is called The Americas, Western Hemisphere, or The New World.

Do other Americans agree that "North America" seems larger and more grandiose than "the U.S." or "America"? I competed in a bridge tournament long ago where another contender was the Zonal representative at the World Championships. A team can call itself anything it wants, and this one was "North America." To my ear that was more grandiose than "USA" would have been. ("America" would have sounded silly.)

(2) For those confused what a fluid ounce is, just remember that a fluid ounce of water weighs ... one avoirdupois ounce! (I think it's 1.0000 exactly in Imperial units, and slightly off in America.) The conversion from ounces (also called "lids") to kilograms was easy for many boys my age in the late 1960's: There are 35 lids in a key.

"A pint's a pound" is true in the former British colonies of the Americas, but "the whole world 'round" was always a barefaced lie, sold to you by people who wanted to boost their excise duties by 20%.
My computer technician buddy used to say "Green is ground the world around." I guess that rhyme gets re-used a lot.
 

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This isn't quite as obvious, but I just learned The Fifth Element and Frozen II overlap... a lot! In my defense, I didn't pay much attention to Frozen II.

Granted, if you have a female protagonist, you probably are going to bump into Luc Besson here or there, but still, the similarities with The Fifth Element go well beyond that.
 

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This isn't quite as obvious, but I just learned The Fifth Element and Frozen II overlap... a lot! In my defense, I didn't pay much attention to Frozen II.

Granted, if you have a female protagonist, you probably are going to bump into Luc Besson here or there, but still, the similarities with The Fifth Element go well beyond that.
I read the link----Frozen makes much more sense as a rip off of The Fifth Element than it does as a bastardization of The Snow Queen. I suppose it attempted to pass itself off as a version of The Snow Queen to avoid...what? Copyright problems? Scaring parents off?

Shouldn't have replied. Just reminds me of how pissed off I was that Disney tried to pass Frozen off as The Snow Queen.
 
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