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If anyone anywhere needs any more evidence that they real "witch hunt" was against Hillary Clinton, we need look no further than the fact that these fucking idiots are STILL at it:

"Clinton is starring in the Republican Party's 2018 midterm strategy. With no Democrat to attack in the White House for the first time in nearly a decade, Republicans are betting big that the ghost of Clinton will serve them well in 2018.

"Even if she avoids the spotlight moving forward, the Republican Party plans to evoke her early and often in key congressional races, particularly in regions Trump won, which feature most of the midterm season's competitive races."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/politics/hillary-clinton-2018/index.html
 

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It's just a lock-step figure of the right now. You have to viscerally hate Hillary to be a true, blue Republican. For every GOP not running, there is one willing to gladly hitch his wagon to Trump. In the long run, it will end the party.
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again...the GOP has been running against Hillary since 1992. They've been on this kick for 26 years.

Like any other long term addiction, giving it up doesn't happen overnight. It starts with a genuine desire to quit, but as anyone who knows addicts can tell you, it can take years of fits and starts before you finally let go...and even then the possibility of a relapse is ever-present.

We just have to accept the fact that the Republican Party is hooked on Hillary, and right now they're just not ready to admit they have a problem. Maybe someday they'll take that first step, but even then it could be years before they get it under control.
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again...the GOP has been running against Hillary since 1992. They've been on this kick for 26 years.

Like any other long term addiction, giving it up doesn't happen overnight. It starts with a genuine desire to quit, but as anyone who knows addicts can tell you, it can take years of fits and starts before you finally let go...and even then the possibility of a relapse is ever-present.

We just have to accept the fact that the Republican Party is hooked on Hillary, and right now they're just not ready to admit they have a problem. Maybe someday they'll take that first step, but even then it could be years before they get it under control.

I don't know, man... I've heard that addicts often don't get it until they hit rock bottom. And I know Twitler's hairdo looks like rock bottom, but really this isn't. Things could get much, much worse before Republicans decide it is in their self-interest to give up on Hillary's persecution. We could be at full fledged war with the economy in a depression which would be unusual but possible with all the weird trade stuff going on. Nazi numbers in the US could double and we could start to see rallies in our own neighborhoods or at least in nearby cities. There's a lot more that could happen.
 

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Well, in the GOP's defense, they don't want Blankenship to win the primary. I doubt it has anything to do with those dead miners though.
 

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I sure as hell hope she doesn't run again. I like her (sometimes), but I'm not willing to surrender the entire country to the Republicans for her.
 

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I sure as hell hope she doesn't run again. I like her (sometimes), but I'm not willing to surrender the entire country to the Republicans for her.

Hillary has exhibited amazing shelf-life as a voo-doo doll. Just as Trump is God's gift to Democrats, Hillary is God's gift to Republicans. I only hope her magical properties wear out quicker than Trump's.
 

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Don't forget about Pelosi and Obama...the GOP will through them in as well...

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They won't get nearly the needed mileage out of those two. It will be hard to get Obama Democrats to respond to Obama-bashing the way they do (did?) to Hillary bashing. And Pelosi's career as an object of GOP vilification is in its nascence - nothing like the three decades of hate-cultivation they piled up against HRC. The visceral hatred against Trump is in the same class as the hatred against Hillary; Obama, and even Pelosi, don't come close.
 

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I sure as hell hope she doesn't run again. I like her (sometimes), but I'm not willing to surrender the entire country to the Republicans for her.

Hillary has exhibited amazing shelf-life as a voo-doo doll. Just as Trump is God's gift to Democrats, Hillary is God's gift to Republicans. I only hope her magical properties wear out quicker than Trump's.
Woah! Trump is not God's gift to the Democrats!
 

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I sure as hell hope she doesn't run again. I like her (sometimes), but I'm not willing to surrender the entire country to the Republicans for her.

Hillary has exhibited amazing shelf-life as a voo-doo doll. Just as Trump is God's gift to Democrats, Hillary is God's gift to Republicans. I only hope her magical properties wear out quicker than Trump's.
Woah! Trump is not God's gift to the Democrats!

Oh? Tell me that on November 7th!
 

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Woah! Trump is not God's gift to the Democrats!

Oh? Tell me that on November 7th!
Seeing that I don't suffer from memory loss, I can still remember November 2016... the cruel ending of a seemingly unending General Election run that started 11 months earlier. The Dems in '18 wouldn't be getting a mandate to do shit. They'd just be elected because people that fell asleep in November 2016 forgot what was actually at stake and this would be something to bring back a little bit of normal.

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What's the alternative? Running on Trump's record?

no. running on his make-believe record they invent on the fly.
The economy under Trump is the best it has ever been. Fuck you Obama!
 

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Seeing that I don't suffer from memory loss, I can still remember November 2016... the cruel ending of a seemingly unending General Election run that started 11 months earlier. The Dems in '18 wouldn't be getting a mandate to do shit.

I wasn't meaning to be flippant - I really meant it. If there's no "blue wave" in November, then I'm wrong and Trump is NOT God's gift to Democrats (at least not in the same way or to the same degree that Hillary is God's gift to Rethuglicans).

What's the alternative? Running on Trump's record?

no. running on his make-believe record they invent on the fly.
Jimmy Higgins said:
The economy under Trump is the best it has ever been. Fuck you Obama!

DOW down ANOTHER 140 points right now... and more trade war BS coming. Good thing for Cheato that his drooling sycophants don't have money to invest in the stock market.
 

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DOW down ANOTHER 140 points right now... and more trade war BS coming. Good thing for Cheato that his drooling sycophants don't have money to invest in the stock market.

Ya, that's exactly why he is able to say every point increase is his win and then go silent on every point decrease. confirmation bias that is not accompanied with an actual brokerage account (all of his supporters, less the top 1% that are making billions off the tax cut and deregulation) are left with the impression that the economy is good. Never mind the fact that the stock market is about as good a measure of economic health as a casino's profits are on the commercial health of a neighborhood.
 

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The OP quote (understood to have been a good example of the Tu Quoque, or "the Standard Trump Defense") assumes that only one thing can happen at a time. When it rains, only one raindrop falls, hits the ground, and only then does the next raindrop begin to fall. When a person is arrested, the entire process through conviction must complete before another person can get arrested.
.. and when an investigation into potential criminal activities of the leader of the free world is needed, we must first wait until any other investigation is started and completed.

What I used to say about "Hillary this or Hillary that" is:
"Hillary who? What position of power is this person in that I should be particularly concerned about - as opposed to all the crazy people walking around with guns and the like"?

Lately, my response is
"You're absolutely right. They're doing it just like you said they should. not really making the news because they haven't found anything YET.... but anyway... back to what we were talking about..."
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again...the GOP has been running against Hillary since 1992. They've been on this kick for 26 years.

Like any other long term addiction, giving it up doesn't happen overnight. It starts with a genuine desire to quit, but as anyone who knows addicts can tell you, it can take years of fits and starts before you finally let go...and even then the possibility of a relapse is ever-present.

We just have to accept the fact that the Republican Party is hooked on Hillary, and right now they're just not ready to admit they have a problem. Maybe someday they'll take that first step, but even then it could be years before they get it under control.

This is true, and it works for them. The funniest (or saddest) part of it is that Hillary (who their voters have a visceral reaction to) still insists on thrusting herself onto the stage to be associated with the Democratic Party. It makes it very convenient for the Republicans to campaign against her rather than against some unknown or lesser known candidate who wouldn't otherwise draw that reaction without her association.
 

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Seeing that I don't suffer from memory loss, I can still remember November 2016... the cruel ending of a seemingly unending General Election run that started 11 months earlier. The Dems in '18 wouldn't be getting a mandate to do shit. They'd just be elected because people that fell asleep in November 2016 forgot what was actually at stake and this would be something to bring back a little bit of normal.

They didn't forget. Hillary was just THAT unpopular. The Democrats should have seen it coming. They must have known that the Republicans have been running her down for decades. Add in her pro-corporate image and lack of personality and why did they think she could win?
 

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The best thing Hillary could do for the country is just confess to something, anything, and go to prison. GOP wouldn't have anything big enough to distract people with.
 

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DOW down ANOTHER 140 points right now... and more trade war BS coming. Good thing for Cheato that his drooling sycophants don't have money to invest in the stock market.

Ya, that's exactly why he is able to say every point increase is his win and then go silent on every point decrease. confirmation bias that is not accompanied with an actual brokerage account (all of his supporters, less the top 1% that are making billions off the tax cut and deregulation) are left with the impression that the economy is good. Never mind the fact that the stock market is about as good a measure of economic health as a casino's profits are on the commercial health of a neighborhood.

In truth, the underlying foundational economic conditions remain very good, from consumer confidence to durable goods orders and other indicators. The stock market would be doing well also, except that the tax giveaway bump is over and Cheato can't keep his big fat orange mouth shut.
 

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Seeing that I don't suffer from memory loss, I can still remember November 2016... the cruel ending of a seemingly unending General Election run that started 11 months earlier. The Dems in '18 wouldn't be getting a mandate to do shit. They'd just be elected because people that fell asleep in November 2016 forgot what was actually at stake and this would be something to bring back a little bit of normal.

They didn't forget. Hillary was just THAT unpopular. The Democrats should have seen it coming. They must have known that the Republicans have been running her down for decades. Add in her pro-corporate image and lack of personality and why did they think she could win?

But here's the problem with that. Are the Dems supposed to abandon every candidate the GOP hates? Hillary may have been the most qualified person in U.S. history to be POTUS. And it's not like the GOP would've worked with Sanders or anyone else with (D) attached to their name. Their literally stated mission at the outset of Obama's presidency was to make things so bad that he would only be a one term President. They actually voted against their own legislation at times because they feared it would make Obama look good.

The fact is that they're going to charge up the hate machine against every opposing candidate. Granted, they had 25 years of almost nonstop Hillary bashing, but nowadays, all they have to do is say that Candidate X supported Hillary or is no different from Hillary, etc. and they'll get the desired reaction.

The point is that the GOP can't be allowed to control the Democrat's choices of candidate.
 

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The best thing Hillary could do for the country is just confess to something, anything, and go to prison. GOP wouldn't have anything big enough to distract people with.

You're kidding, right?

Republicans are the party that brought us the "crisis actors" in Sandy Hook, the "deep state" conspiracy to enforce the law, the gay frogs conspiracy, George Soros, pizza-gate, Jade Helm 15, and they have still yet to come up with a goal for the FBI conspiracy against the Branch Davidians, but boy are they certain there was a terrible conspiracy involved there! Aren't conspirators supposed to have some kind of recognizable goal in a conspiracy theory? What exactly was Janet Reno's sinister goal in destroying the Branch Davidians?

Anyway, the Republicans would have no problem cooking up something else.
 

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The best thing Hillary could do for the country is just confess to something, anything, and go to prison. GOP wouldn't have anything big enough to distract people with.

You're kidding, right?

Republicans are the party that brought us the "crisis actors" in Sandy Hook, the "deep state" conspiracy to enforce the law, the gay frogs conspiracy, George Soros, pizza-gate, Jade Helm 15, and they have still yet to come up with a goal for the FBI conspiracy against the Branch Davidians, but boy are they certain there was a terrible conspiracy involved there! Aren't conspirators supposed to have some kind of recognizable goal in a conspiracy theory? What exactly was Janet Reno's sinister goal in destroying the Branch Davidians?

Anyway, the Republicans would have no problem cooking up something else.


But...But...wasn't the Branch Davidians about that little Cuban Boy Reno wanted to send back to his dad in Cuba? (I want my smiley faces)

Later,
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Seeing that I don't suffer from memory loss, I can still remember November 2016... the cruel ending of a seemingly unending General Election run that started 11 months earlier. The Dems in '18 wouldn't be getting a mandate to do shit. They'd just be elected because people that fell asleep in November 2016 forgot what was actually at stake and this would be something to bring back a little bit of normal.

They didn't forget. Hillary was just THAT unpopular. The Democrats should have seen it coming. They must have known that the Republicans have been running her down for decades. Add in her pro-corporate image and lack of personality and why did they think she could win?

But here's the problem with that. Are the Dems supposed to abandon every candidate the GOP hates? Hillary may have been the most qualified person in U.S. history to be POTUS. And it's not like the GOP would've worked with Sanders or anyone else with (D) attached to their name. Their literally stated mission at the outset of Obama's presidency was to make things so bad that he would only be a one term President. They actually voted against their own legislation at times because they feared it would make Obama look good.

The fact is that they're going to charge up the hate machine against every opposing candidate. Granted, they had 25 years of almost nonstop Hillary bashing, but nowadays, all they have to do is say that Candidate X supported Hillary or is no different from Hillary, etc. and they'll get the desired reaction.

The point is that the GOP can't be allowed to control the Democrat's choices of candidate.

Yup.

Clinton and Obama both believed that if only they caved in to the Republicans enough, the Republicans would be more reasonable.

Anyone who still thinks that way is delusional. At this point they are openly defending Nazis waving actual Nazi flags at rallies (whoops, I should have said "alt-right free speech advocate," my apologies for being politically incorrect), getting offended at people for begging for their own lives, and getting angry at people for having a problem with treason. Nothing you do is going to make them behave in a way that is more reasonable. We are at least two decades past any possibility of reason.

No amount of appeasement works. It didn't work with the Nazis in the 20th century and it's not going to work with the Republicans now. Appeasement just tells them that you will give more if they demand more.

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The best thing Hillary could do for the country is just confess to something, anything, and go to prison. GOP wouldn't have anything big enough to distract people with.

You're kidding, right?

Republicans are the party that brought us the "crisis actors" in Sandy Hook, the "deep state" conspiracy to enforce the law, the gay frogs conspiracy, George Soros, pizza-gate, Jade Helm 15, and they have still yet to come up with a goal for the FBI conspiracy against the Branch Davidians, but boy are they certain there was a terrible conspiracy involved there! Aren't conspirators supposed to have some kind of recognizable goal in a conspiracy theory? What exactly was Janet Reno's sinister goal in destroying the Branch Davidians?

Anyway, the Republicans would have no problem cooking up something else.


But...But...wasn't the Branch Davidians about that little Cuban Boy Reno wanted to send back to his dad in Cuba? (I want my smiley faces)

Later,
ElectEngr

My complaint is that the motivation for their Waco conspiracy theories never made any sense.

How did destroying the Branch Davidians get Janet Reno what she wanted with regard to the little Cuban boy? The Republicans' own arguments at the time was that children should always be returned to their biological parents no matter what kind of abuse was likely to be inflicted by said parents. The boy was going back to Cuba no matter what.
 

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How did destroying the Branch Davidians get Janet Reno what she wanted with regard to the little Cuban boy? The Republicans' own arguments at the time was that children should always be returned to their biological parents no matter what kind of abuse was likely to be inflicted by said parents. The boy was going back to Cuba no matter what.

Listen, it's sad, true. But in our political system, there has to be nominatively opposite positions on everything; someone has to be the pro-child-abuse party, or the whole myth of partisan difference could collapse. The Republicans just took one for the team.
 

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How did destroying the Branch Davidians get Janet Reno what she wanted with regard to the little Cuban boy? The Republicans' own arguments at the time was that children should always be returned to their biological parents no matter what kind of abuse was likely to be inflicted by said parents. The boy was going back to Cuba no matter what.

Listen, it's sad, true. But in our political system, there has to be nominatively opposite positions on everything; someone has to be the pro-child-abuse party, or the whole myth of partisan difference could collapse. The Republicans just took one for the team.

Uh, what?

The Republicans are convinced that what happened in Waco, Texas with the Branch Davidians was the result of a terrible and sinister conspiracy run by Bill Clinton and Janet Reno, but in all the conversations I've had with rightists, none of them seem to be able to identify a coherent motive nor explain what exactly the conspiracy was trying to accomplish by killing the Branch Davidians, but they are certainly convinced there was a conspiracy.

I find this particularly odd because conspiracy theories generally exist without a shred of evidence, so the motive of the conspirators is the only thing the whole theory rests on, yet in this case, the people claiming that there was a conspiracy can't come up with a coherent motive.
 
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