We Saw Nuns Kill Children

[ZiprHead]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christinekenneally/orphanage-death-catholic-abuse-nuns-st-josephs

It was a late summer afternoon, Sally Dale recalled, when the boy was thrown through the fourth-floor window.

“He kind of hit, and— ” she placed both hands palm-down before her. Her right hand slapped down on the left, rebounded up a little, then landed again.

For just a moment, the room was still. “Bounced?” one of the many lawyers present asked. “Well, I guess you’d call it — it was a bounce,” she replied. “And then he laid still.”

This is some gruesome stuff. The church has more problems than just priests.

BTW, if mods feel this is better in a religion forum, please feel free to move it.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Yeah, very. I still haven't got through it...

Hard to believe. Not saying it's not true, just far worse than I would imagine.

 

[whollygoats]

Wow..."Suffer the little children come unto me..."

It is fully in line with other travesties which have been unveiled worldwide.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Are we sure this happened? The source presented above is Buzzfeed. Isn't that like national inquirer?

 

[zorq]

Are we sure this happened? The source presented above is Buzzfeed. Isn't that like national inquirer?

I haven't quite finished the article myself either but the article has convinced me that some truly barbaric abuse happened at that orphanage. Draconian Nuns aren't a stretch to imagine and the article seems to cite several witnesses to the (less) extreme child abuse.

With that said, all of the very worst stories about the place, including at least two murders, seem to be recounted from the same individual, Sally Dale, without much corroboration. Her writing gives me the impression that she does not have a very high intelligence and she mentions that she dreams about some of her memories of the orphanage. All of these victims are rather old now and I suspect that not all of Ms. Dale's recollections reflect reality as it was 75 years ago.

 

[zorq]

My evaluation above was premature. I finished the story and The author of that article was deliberately withholding corroborating evidence to give the readers the same feeling of uncertainty the lawyers who brought the case against the church felt when evaluating the veracity of Sally's stories. Much of Sally's dubious claims are later corroborated in one way or another.

As to the clickbait thread title, it still isn't 100% certain any children were murdered at St. Joseph's orphanage.But the author of the article does get what amounts to a confession of attempted manslaughter out of an 88 year old Nun who apparently tried to push a child out of a window. The author also offers definitive evidence that Nuns and Priests lied under oath regarding sexual abusers at the orphanage. Lying and covering up a murder or two is not beyond them. Plus consider this snippet:

The remains of more than 150 people were discovered at an Irish laundry where unmarried pregnant teens were sent to work. As many as 400 babies and children were found in unmarked graves at Smyllum Park, a Scottish orphanage, with no records to say who they were. The unmarked graves of 25 children were found at the site of an old boarding school in the Blackfeet Nation, Montana. What has been described as a significant amount of remains — it’s unclear just how many bodies — of babies and even children as old as 3 were found in the sewer system at the site of a mother and baby home in Tuam, Galway, in Ireland. The remains of dozens of boys were unearthed at the Arthur G. Dozier School for Boys in Marianna, Florida. Some of these incidents prompted official inquiries; just last week, Scottish police arrested a dozen people, mostly nuns, for abuse at the Smyllum Park orphanage.

 

[Underseer]

Duplicate thread?

https://talkfreethought.org/showthr...ed-children-at-an-American-Catholic-orphanage

I think that religions got away with things like this for so long because of centuries of specious "religion makes people more moral" arguments.

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My evaluation above was premature. I finished the story and The author of that article was deliberately withholding corroborating evidence to give the readers the same feeling of uncertainty the lawyers who brought the case against the church felt when evaluating the veracity of Sally's stories. Much of Sally's dubious claims are later corroborated in one way or another.

As to the clickbait thread title, it still isn't 100% certain any children were murdered at St. Joseph's orphanage.But the author of the article does get what amounts to a confession of attempted manslaughter out of an 88 year old Nun who apparently tried to push a child out of a window. The author also offers definitive evidence that Nuns and Priests lied under oath regarding sexual abusers at the orphanage. Lying and covering up a murder or two is not beyond them. Plus consider this snippet:

The remains of more than 150 people were discovered at an Irish laundry where unmarried pregnant teens were sent to work. As many as 400 babies and children were found in unmarked graves at Smyllum Park, a Scottish orphanage, with no records to say who they were. The unmarked graves of 25 children were found at the site of an old boarding school in the Blackfeet Nation, Montana. What has been described as a significant amount of remains — it’s unclear just how many bodies — of babies and even children as old as 3 were found in the sewer system at the site of a mother and baby home in Tuam, Galway, in Ireland. The remains of dozens of boys were unearthed at the Arthur G. Dozier School for Boys in Marianna, Florida. Some of these incidents prompted official inquiries; just last week, Scottish police arrested a dozen people, mostly nuns, for abuse at the Smyllum Park orphanage.

There seem to be an awful lot of controversies involving unmarked or mass graves at Catholic sites all around the globe.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah, very. I still haven't got through it...

Hard to believe. Not saying it's not true, just far worse than I would imagine.

There have been plenty of stories of abusive nuns. Such cases normally do not involve an intent to kill, but rather reckless disregard for the fact that their actions could kill.