untermensche
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No the media tilts towards Hillary.
Since they are only parts of corporations it is understood why.
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Well, I was in the car, driving to the grocery store, and I heard Clinton's Campaign slogan ...
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No the media tilts towards Hillary.
Since they are only parts of corporations it is understood why.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
Hillary said:
It's as glib as "Hope and change".
Politics in the USA is shit.
Oh, the media. I thought people here said the media was for Trump.
untermensche
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This is the from the opening sentence in a lead story in the NYT's today. I just wanted to pick something at random.
If you can't see this as propaganda to try to push people to Clinton then you are blind.
Horatio Parker
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I'm not sure you understand what the media being "for" Trump means.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/les-moonves-trump-cbs-220001
Elixir
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It's not. It's more of the same shit with a spritz of perfume.
Every politician needs a dragon they can promise to slay, in order to make themselves sound relevant. Bernie's dragon (economic inequality) is probably the only real one being discussed at all, and it will not submit to being slain without a long and bloody fight.
Well, it's not fair to be going up against someone who's more competent and successful than you. It's like if some high school quarterback gets into a game against Tom Brady - it's just not an a even match and Brady should be a dude and go easy on the kid to let him have a chance.
Why wouldn't this be pushing people to Trump?
And why would a headline like that get people not to vote for Bernie given all the awesome slogans he says that you are always saying will make crowds go wild?
Do you assume Democrats are almost completely mindless?
zorq
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Who says it isn't?
A great deal, (perhaps most) of people are lemmings who follow the crowd partly because evolution tells them there is safety in numbers, and it's dangerous to act outside the community. Advertising who is leading in an election actively helps those in the lead. Pointing out who is flailing actively hurts those falling behind.
I can't speak for Untermenche, but yes, most PEOPLE are politically mindless. They don't think about policies, they wait for their chosen authority figures to tell them which ones are good. They don't evaluate consequences, net benefits or potential catastrophes of any given policy. Instead, they listen to their neighbors' opinions, and the talking heads on TV and AM radio blowhards and then vote how they suggest, and regurgitate the talking points they provide.
Jason Harvestdancer
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Trump wants to make America great again, Hillary wants to make America whole again.
Such a massive difference.
untermensche
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This is a serious issue.
Reporting on the horse race and not the issues is a tactic of propaganda, not news.
untermensche
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They are just meaningless slogans no matter what they say.
The fact that this nonsense matters is a product of the great US educational system.
Making children do nothing but follow orders and study for tests stunts critical reasoning.
laughing dog
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Are you sure you hear that doubleu in "whole"?
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I don't have a dog in this hunt. I loath Trump and can't stand Hillary. My hope is that each as a safe fall on them at their first debate. THAT would brighten my day. America deserved Bernie vs. Cruz, two clear ideological choices. Crap.
That said, you are right. What a terrible slogan - my God, it suggests how out of touch she has become in the last decade. I wonder if her staff chose that slogan over other "bright" ideas like "Can''t we all get along again?" and "America is OK, OK?".
Until today I would have said Trump did not have a chance in Hell. But after I read about her campaign strategy (and the historic massive turnout in the GOP primaries) I am not so sure. There seems to be a cohort of white lumpen prole non-voters who are joining for this fight, inspired by Trump.
Here is Hillary's strategy, as reported by the NYT:
If that is their strategy they are in big trouble. Hitting Trump as a misogynist is so pre-2008 - gender baiting may thrill the old feminist lobby but it does nothing for the young women of the left - its an 'older lady' issue. And the working class? Excuse us? It is the lumpen proles working class that is fed up with corporate funded politicians like Hillary and Bush and reaching for a 'strong man' to bring Washington to its knees.
And, by the way, how did the "commander and chief" attack by Hillary on Obama work out? That Trump has a bad temperament is a given, and for most of his supporters a feature, not a flaw.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/u...inton-donald-trump-general-election.html?_r=0
"Trumpolini" is not going to be a pushover.
Will Wiley
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But having Presidents who are war criminals who bomb and invade other countries who have not threatened them and thinking that one must vote for one of them. You can't get much more broken in a democracy.
It's quite insane to vote in Hillary Clinton and thank god you didn;t get Trump,.
Hillary like all "good" Americans thinks it's quite ok to invade a sovereign country and sodmise the leader of the country in the streets with a bayonet and have ISIS overrun the country. Its sick.
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y[/YOUTUBE]
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Why is she laughing?
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If that is seriously her slogan for the campaign, than she will be in worse trouble in the general election than I thought.
It is clearly reactive to Trump's slogan, and as such, it is feeble. Someone wasn't thinking clearly when they came up with that. You can't out-Trump Trump. Rubio is trying to do it, and it makes him look like a sophomoric idiot. If Hillary doesn't get her shit together, and come up with an actual working slogan, and plan to take on Trump without stooping to his level, she is done for.
I certainly hope that Bernie can make some gains on her soon. I will vote for Hillary in the general election if it comes to it, but it is shit like this that is going to make me hold my nostrils tightly closed as I feed my ballot into the machine.
TSwizzle
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It's depressing to think it may actually come down to that. It's like being in front of a firing squad and being asked if you want the blindfold or not.
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Wiki's "cult of personality" entry provides a clue; Trump falls into several typologies of messianic movements: celebrity worship, charismatic authority, strongman, and narcissistic leadership.
In my experience, such followers are immune to disillusion. Having idealized and identified with the candidate (fallen deeply in love) whatever brains they had prior to their love obsession has become irrelevant. Once that happens, it does not matter what the candidate says or does...in the words of Donald Trump, "I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot someone and not lose voters.".
If any of you have had the misfortune of debating a Trump supporter you would agree. Among the Trumpie attributes:
1) Those who disagree are guilty by unproven association - the logic being that everyone who points outs Trumps flaws must be "a member of the establishment", "a shill for Hillary", etc. Therefore, even conservatives who agree with Trump on his banner issues but oppose Trump as temperamentally crazy, are also a part of the establishment. ... EG Ted Cruz supporters.
2) Consumed by Contradictions - Once 'the establishment' embraces Trump (e.g. Christie) then Trump is 'well liked' great fellow, unlike (say) Ted Cruz which the establishment hates for being anti-establishment. On the other hand, if you point out the establishment likes Rubio - well, that just shows why Trump is not a member of the establishment...yada yada.
2) Thin skin and paranoid - nothing will bring out the rage like satirical poking at Trump. Visit a forum with too many Trumpies and they will demand to know "who sent you" and "who are you working for". Any repeated criticism of Trump brings an immediate ban.
3) Delusion - Trumpies will scream that Trump was the first to introduce the issues of China, repatriation of profits, and the VA to the American people. They will assure skeptics that "they have never heard anyone ever talk about these issues until Trump", and they will even insist that Obama and Romney never had platforms. That will also insist that in spite of his five threadbare 'stances' at his website, that Trump has given detailed plans on all the issues.
4) Mirroring - When Trump flips, backwalks, or denies stances on prior positions they will mimic the master. In the election they will scream joy over him being an absolutist on immigration, Muslims, China, etc. If elected they will also proudly tout how Trump "made a deal" or "became realistic" when he drops his absolutism. Should he reverse himself, they will do the same.
Like all personality infatuated True Believers, they are frightening. Luckily, Trumpolini is a comical demagogue without a clue or a firm cause.
In my experience, such followers are immune to disillusion. Having idealized and identified with the candidate (fallen deeply in love) whatever brains they had prior to their love obsession has become irrelevant. Once that happens, it does not matter what the candidate says or does...in the words of Donald Trump, "I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot someone and not lose voters.".
If any of you have had the misfortune of debating a Trump supporter you would agree. Among the Trumpie attributes:
1) Those who disagree are guilty by unproven association - the logic being that everyone who points outs Trumps flaws must be "a member of the establishment", "a shill for Hillary", etc. Therefore, even conservatives who agree with Trump on his banner issues but oppose Trump as temperamentally crazy, are also a part of the establishment. ... EG Ted Cruz supporters.
2) Consumed by Contradictions - Once 'the establishment' embraces Trump (e.g. Christie) then Trump is 'well liked' great fellow, unlike (say) Ted Cruz which the establishment hates for being anti-establishment. On the other hand, if you point out the establishment likes Rubio - well, that just shows why Trump is not a member of the establishment...yada yada.
2) Thin skin and paranoid - nothing will bring out the rage like satirical poking at Trump. Visit a forum with too many Trumpies and they will demand to know "who sent you" and "who are you working for". Any repeated criticism of Trump brings an immediate ban.
3) Delusion - Trumpies will scream that Trump was the first to introduce the issues of China, repatriation of profits, and the VA to the American people. They will assure skeptics that "they have never heard anyone ever talk about these issues until Trump", and they will even insist that Obama and Romney never had platforms. That will also insist that in spite of his five threadbare 'stances' at his website, that Trump has given detailed plans on all the issues.
4) Mirroring - When Trump flips, backwalks, or denies stances on prior positions they will mimic the master. In the election they will scream joy over him being an absolutist on immigration, Muslims, China, etc. If elected they will also proudly tout how Trump "made a deal" or "became realistic" when he drops his absolutism. Should he reverse himself, they will do the same.
Like all personality infatuated True Believers, they are frightening. Luckily, Trumpolini is a comical demagogue without a clue or a firm cause.