Well, I was in the car, driving to the grocery store, and I heard Clinton's Campaign slogan ...

[untermensche]

It's quite insane to vote in Hillary Clinton and thank god you didn;t get Trump,.

Not when the first thing the next president is going to do is nominate a SC Justice.

 

[untermensche]

Wiki's "cult of personality" entry provides a clue; Trump falls into several typologies of messianic movements: celebrity worship, charismatic authority, strongman, and narcissistic leadership.

In my experience, such followers are immune to disillusion. Having idealized and identified with the candidate (fallen deeply in love) whatever brains they had prior to their love obsession has become irrelevant. Once that happens, it does not matter what the candidate says or does...in the words of Donald Trump, "I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot someone and not lose voters.".

If any of you have had the misfortune of debating a Trump supporter you would agree. Among the Trumpie attributes:

1) Those who disagree are guilty by unproven association - the logic being that everyone who points outs Trumps flaws must be "a member of the establishment", "a shill for Hillary", etc. Therefore, even conservatives who agree with Trump on his banner issues but oppose Trump as temperamentally crazy, are also a part of the establishment. ... EG Ted Cruz supporters.

2) Consumed by Contradictions - Once 'the establishment' embraces Trump (e.g. Christie) then Trump is 'well liked' great fellow, unlike (say) Ted Cruz which the establishment hates for being anti-establishment. On the other hand, if you point out the establishment likes Rubio - well, that just shows why Trump is not a member of the establishment...yada yada.

2) Thin skin and paranoid - nothing will bring out the rage like satirical poking at Trump. Visit a forum with too many Trumpies and they will demand to know "who sent you" and "who are you working for". Any repeated criticism of Trump brings an immediate ban.

3) Delusion - Trumpies will scream that Trump was the first to introduce the issues of China, repatriation of profits, and the VA to the American people. They will assure skeptics that "they have never heard anyone ever talk about these issues until Trump", and they will even insist that Obama and Romney never had platforms. That will also insist that in spite of his five threadbare 'stances' at his website, that Trump has given detailed plans on all the issues.

4) Mirroring - When Trump flips, backwalks, or denies stances on prior positions they will mimic the master. In the election they will scream joy over him being an absolutist on immigration, Muslims, China, etc. If elected they will also proudly tout how Trump "made a deal" or "became realistic" when he drops his absolutism. Should he reverse himself, they will do the same.

Like all personality infatuated True Believers, they are frightening. Luckley, Trumpolini is a demagogue without a clue or a firm cause.

These are the people that will never be persuaded.

They are a waste of time.

The people that matter are the undecided at this point.

 

[maxparrish]

Just for fun, this man may be our next President:

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is the from the opening sentence in a lead story in the NYT's today. I just wanted to pick something at random.

As Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump look to widen their leads...

If you can't see this as propaganda to try to push people to Clinton then you are blind.

Why wouldn't this be pushing people to Trump?

And why would a headline like that get people not to vote for Bernie given all the awesome slogans he says that you are always saying will make crowds go wild?

Do you assume Democrats are almost completely mindless?

For a guy who doesn't vote, you never seem to shut up about elections.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Making America Whole Again.


How do I find fault with this
Let me count the ways


First, is America broken and HOW?
Second, "whole again?" When was it whole the first time?
Third, Ewwwwww.
Fourth, Ugh, that was painful
Fifth, I need a drink.

Trump wants to make America great again, Hillary wants to make America whole again.

Such a massive difference.

In context, Trump wants to make America Great Again by building a wall, spending more money on the military, telling our enemies to fuck off, and by giving racists in America hope that we'll finally 'kill the vermin'. Clinton wants to make America whole again which is a derivative of what W and Obama said in working together.

 

[dismal]

This is the from the opening sentence in a lead story in the NYT's today. I just wanted to pick something at random.

As Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump look to widen their leads...

If you can't see this as propaganda to try to push people to Clinton then you are blind.

Why wouldn't this be pushing people to Trump?

And why would a headline like that get people not to vote for Bernie given all the awesome slogans he says that you are always saying will make crowds go wild?

Do you assume Democrats are almost completely mindless?

For a guy who doesn't vote, you never seem to shut up about elections.

Like I have said, one has nothing to do with the other.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Making America Whole Again.


How do I find fault with this
Let me count the ways


First, is America broken and HOW?
Second, "whole again?" When was it whole the first time?
Third, Ewwwwww.
Fourth, Ugh, that was painful
Fifth, I need a drink.

If that is seriously her slogan for the campaign, than she will be in worse trouble in the general election than I thought.

It is clearly reactive to Trump's slogan, and as such, it is feeble. Someone wasn't thinking clearly when they came up with that. You can't out-Trump Trump. Rubio is trying to do it, and it makes him look like a sophomoric idiot. If Hillary doesn't get her shit together, and come up with an actual working slogan, and plan to take on Trump without stooping to his level, she is done for.

I certainly hope that Bernie can make some gains on her soon. I will vote for Hillary in the general election if it comes to it, but it is shit like this that is going to make me hold my nostrils tightly closed as I feed my ballot into the machine.

Well, I guess the slogans

"Because it's my turn"

and

"You owe me"

were taken.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

How about "I already lived there, so I won't have to spend time finding my way around. Hillary Clinton - a vote for me is a vote for five more minutes work out of your President."

 

[RavenSky]

My favorite was Bobby Jindal's: "Tanned, Rested, Ready"

That is seriously what it was according to this site: http://presidential-candidates.insi...idential-candidate#11-Bobby-Jindal-Republican

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The people that matter are the undecided at this point.

Nope. The undecided don't actually matter... primarily because the undecided don't really vote. If by the time the national election kicks into high gear there is still a large collection of people who aren't sure who they'll vote for, you have a pretty good guess of who is probably not paying enough attention to politics to know -- or care -- what to do on election day.

What matters is the energy and commitment of any particular candidate's supporters. This is as true for Republicans as it is for Democrats.

Even for being such a horrible candidate, it would be easy for the Democrats to lose the election. If, for example, they run a candidate who tries to appeal to undecided voters by co-opting some of Trump's more colorful rhetoric and taking positions designed to appeal to the Complete Dumbass demographic. Imagine if Hillary sponsored a bill that supported warrantless wiretapping on all Muslims in America in a cynical attempt to court some of the voters who think the Immigration Freeze" was a good idea. It would probably give her a 3% bump in the poll numbers as a swath of anti-Muslim voters switch sides (being uncomfortable with Trump on literally every OTHER issue), but it would also come as a giant "fuck you" to pretty much everyone else who ISN'T a bigoted douchebag.

Hillary is an expert poll cat (see what I did there?) and she wouldn't find it hard or even unusual to make the calculated maneuvers needed to advance herself in the polls. But come election day, her popularity with the undecideds comes at the cost of half the democrats in the country concluding that she's not much better than Trump and not bothering to vote at all.

 

[maxparrish]

The people that matter are the undecided at this point.

Nope. The undecided don't actually matter... primarily because the undecided don't really vote. If by the time the national election kicks into high gear there is still a large collection of people who aren't sure who they'll vote for, you have a pretty good guess of who is probably not paying enough attention to politics to know -- or care -- what to do on election day.

What matters is the energy and commitment of any particular candidate's supporters. This is as true for Republicans as it is for Democrats.

Even for being such a horrible candidate, it would be easy for the Democrats to lose the election. If, for example, they run a candidate who tries to appeal to undecided voters by co-opting some of Trump's more colorful rhetoric and taking positions designed to appeal to the Complete Dumbass demographic. Imagine if Hillary sponsored a bill that supported warrantless wiretapping on all Muslims in America in a cynical attempt to court some of the voters who think the Immigration Freeze" was a good idea. It would probably give her a 3% bump in the poll numbers as a swath of anti-Muslim voters switch sides (being uncomfortable with Trump on literally every OTHER issue), but it would also come as a giant "fuck you" to pretty much everyone else who ISN'T a bigoted douchebag.

Hillary is an expert poll cat (see what I did there?) and she wouldn't find it hard or even unusual to make the calculated maneuvers needed to advance herself in the polls. But come election day, her popularity with the undecideds comes at the cost of half the democrats in the country concluding that she's not much better than Trump and not bothering to vote at all.

I agree completely. The key to this election is turnout. Trumps possible advantage, unless the GOP is irredeemable fractured by Trump, is his appeal to a troglodyte wing which, it seems, had lower voter participation turnout until his arrival. As I mentioned earlier, this cohort are not your typical tea party conservative or G. Bush-Rove evangelical.

Its worth remembering that although demographics favor the Democrats, there remains a huge number of potential voters than don't vote - about 50 percent of the electorate. Energize the lumpin's and things shift.

Hillary's best bet is to find a way to energize youth, women, etc. as effectively as Obama. If she does she wins. If she does not...who knows?

 

[Bomb#20]

I don't have a dog in this hunt. I loath Trump and can't stand Hillary. My hope is that each as a safe fall on them at their first debate. THAT would brighten my day. America deserved Bernie vs. Cruz, two clear ideological choices.

Not sure what you think there is in the American character to make us deserve a choice between two knee-jerk ideologues. It's not as though the public is anywhere near as politically bimodal as the candidates our primary system is optimized for generating. It seems like a far truer reflection on the people they're hoping to lead for us to be given a choice between two self-absorbed opportunists.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Well, Trump is leading polls and results for Republican nomination. What's not broken about that? QED

I am curious how that message is different than Trump's we will make America strong again?

Well, first of all, America is weak because of the Democrats like Obama and second, America is not whole because the Republicans are fracturing the people with their propaganda like by saying that the Democrats are weak.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How about "I already lived there, so I won't have to spend time finding my way around. Hillary Clinton - a vote for me is a vote for five more minutes work out of your President."

"Fuck, did you see the competition in the other party, I could be under indictment and still win."

 

[untermensche]

The people that matter are the undecided at this point.

Nope. The undecided don't actually matter... primarily because the undecided don't really vote. If by the time the national election kicks into high gear there is still a large collection of people who aren't sure who they'll vote for, you have a pretty good guess of who is probably not paying enough attention to politics to know -- or care -- what to do on election day.

What matters is the energy and commitment of any particular candidate's supporters. This is as true for Republicans as it is for Democrats.

Even for being such a horrible candidate, it would be easy for the Democrats to lose the election. If, for example, they run a candidate who tries to appeal to undecided voters by co-opting some of Trump's more colorful rhetoric and taking positions designed to appeal to the Complete Dumbass demographic. Imagine if Hillary sponsored a bill that supported warrantless wiretapping on all Muslims in America in a cynical attempt to court some of the voters who think the Immigration Freeze" was a good idea. It would probably give her a 3% bump in the poll numbers as a swath of anti-Muslim voters switch sides (being uncomfortable with Trump on literally every OTHER issue), but it would also come as a giant "fuck you" to pretty much everyone else who ISN'T a bigoted douchebag.

Hillary is an expert poll cat (see what I did there?) and she wouldn't find it hard or even unusual to make the calculated maneuvers needed to advance herself in the polls. But come election day, her popularity with the undecideds comes at the cost of half the democrats in the country concluding that she's not much better than Trump and not bothering to vote at all.

Who is going to be persuaded by all this activity?

Those that are already by some miracle hard core Trump supporters?

Or the undecided?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Nope. The undecided don't actually matter... primarily because the undecided don't really vote. If by the time the national election kicks into high gear there is still a large collection of people who aren't sure who they'll vote for, you have a pretty good guess of who is probably not paying enough attention to politics to know -- or care -- what to do on election day.

What matters is the energy and commitment of any particular candidate's supporters. This is as true for Republicans as it is for Democrats.

Even for being such a horrible candidate, it would be easy for the Democrats to lose the election. If, for example, they run a candidate who tries to appeal to undecided voters by co-opting some of Trump's more colorful rhetoric and taking positions designed to appeal to the Complete Dumbass demographic. Imagine if Hillary sponsored a bill that supported warrantless wiretapping on all Muslims in America in a cynical attempt to court some of the voters who think the Immigration Freeze" was a good idea. It would probably give her a 3% bump in the poll numbers as a swath of anti-Muslim voters switch sides (being uncomfortable with Trump on literally every OTHER issue), but it would also come as a giant "fuck you" to pretty much everyone else who ISN'T a bigoted douchebag.

Hillary is an expert poll cat (see what I did there?) and she wouldn't find it hard or even unusual to make the calculated maneuvers needed to advance herself in the polls. But come election day, her popularity with the undecideds comes at the cost of half the democrats in the country concluding that she's not much better than Trump and not bothering to vote at all.

Who is going to be persuaded by all this activity?

Very few people, if anyone, are going to be persuaded at all. That's kind of my point. It's massively difficult to change people's minds with a political campaign, but you CAN make the people who already agree with you fired up and enthusiastic for election day.

You don't need to convince undecided voters to cast a ballot for you. You need to convince your own supporters to cast a ballot PERIOD. There are FAR more self-identified democrats and Republicans who rarely vote than there are unaffiliated voters who consistently vote. You can convince every single undecided voter in the country to support you -- assuming all the undecideds even bother to go to the polls, and that's far from a safe assumption -- and even then you could still loose the general election if your own supporters stay home.

 

[arkirk]

Making America Whole Again.


How do I find fault with this
Let me count the ways


First, is America broken and HOW?
Second, "whole again?" When was it whole the first time?
Third, Ewwwwww.
Fourth, Ugh, that was painful
Fifth, I need a drink.

Trump got a good laugh out of it. So many so called liberals (neo-liberals) lament some sort of notion of a past that was the good and glorious days of America. During which lying ass war, which murderous invasion, which assasination was "that time when we were a cohesive society? that treated everybody fairly? Just what part of our very spotty history do they with to return us to. When slavery was abolished, the many former slaves attempted to abandon the forced labor plantations their captors had forced them onto. Does Hillary think maybe they should return south and make those plantations whole again? Her idea was pure bullshit. Exactly what kind of whole is she talking about. This bitch is so hypocritical she will say anything...so will Trump.

 

[Angry Floof]

Making America Whole Again.


How do I find fault with this
Let me count the ways


First, is America broken and HOW?
Second, "whole again?" When was it whole the first time?
Third, Ewwwwww.
Fourth, Ugh, that was painful
Fifth, I need a drink.

Trump got a good laugh out of it. So many so called liberals (neo-liberals) lament some sort of notion of a past that was the good and glorious days of America. During which lying ass war, which murderous invasion, which assasination was "that time when we were a cohesive society? that treated everybody fairly? Just what part of our very spotty history do they with to return us to. When slavery was abolished, the many former slaves attempted to abandon the forced labor plantations their captors had forced them onto. Does Hillary think maybe they should return south and make those plantations whole again? Her idea was pure bullshit. Exactly what kind of whole is she talking about. This bitch is so hypocritical she will say anything...so will Trump.

Must be this past that people miss so much:

 

[SimpleDon]

Making America Whole Again.


How do I find fault with this
Let me count the ways


First, is America broken and HOW?
Second, "whole again?" When was it whole the first time?
Third, Ewwwwww.
Fourth, Ugh, that was painful
Fifth, I need a drink.

We in Georgia were subjected to a week of almost non-stop presidential election ads. The only campaign slogan that I saw from Clinton was the rather insipid "Fighting for us." Does she have different slogans for different audiences?

 

[SimpleDon]

Who is going to be persuaded by all this activity?

Very few people, if anyone, are going to be persuaded at all. That's kind of my point. It's massively difficult to change people's minds with a political campaign, but you CAN make the people who already agree with you fired up and enthusiastic for election day.

You don't need to convince undecided voters to cast a ballot for you. You need to convince your own supporters to cast a ballot PERIOD. There are FAR more self-identified democrats and Republicans who rarely vote than there are unaffiliated voters who consistently vote. You can convince every single undecided voter in the country to support you -- assuming all the undecideds even bother to go to the polls, and that's far from a safe assumption -- and even then you could still loose the general election if your own supporters stay home.

Yes, this idea that the election depends on convincing a handful of independent voters in a few battle ground states is kind of dated. The election hinges on getting the people who agree with you to show up to vote in a handful of battle ground states. Or for the Republicans how to suppress the Democrats voter turnout.