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After reading Ted Gioia's 'The History of Jazz' back in 2014, one of the names that stuck with me was Wynton Marsalis. Lately, I realized he's one of few of those who'd be considered a 'great' that I haven't explored much, and with a Spotify subscription I've been going through his albums over the last few weeks.

Current listening: Two Men with the Blues

 

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I'm a Dave Brubeck fan.

[YOUTUBE]vmDDOFXSgAs[/YOUTUBE]

I know that makes True Jazz Enthusiasts™ throw their drinks at me, but there it is.
 

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Had a recent live release of his recorded at The Village Vanguard recommended on Twitter, couldn't find it so settled for the one prior.
 

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I don't get to play it often. It drives my wife crazy. She doesn't like his voice.
 

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Writer's Tears, Aberlour 12, Aberlour A'Bunadh and..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMa2VaV3Voo[/youtube]

Paradise found.
 

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I just had a couple glasses of wine so am going to post in this thread sans jazz.

Does anybody feel like the 'decline' of jazz was actually caused by a limit on the sounds you can make with jazz instruments?

After a while, various albums from different periods of jazz history all sound similar to me. And the history of jazz's progression has seemed not only logical, but that it's come to something of a logical end-point. In the beginning artists like Louis Armstrong started expressing themselves more vividly with their instruments. Then Charlie Parker / Miles Davis ushered in modern jazz, followed by Coltrane and Coleman's post-modern 'free' jazz which tended toward the abstract and basic noise. Now there's a fragmentation of styles and a bunch of artists who are open to playing whatever.

I don't know how you can build on what's already been done in the genre. Horatio Parker?
 

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I agree, rosseau, but you never know when the next new era will come.

Don't forget to include some tunes in your post.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k94zDsJ-JMU[/YOUTUBE]
 

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If you like some jazz-rock fusion, it is hard to go wrong with some Joe Zawinul:



[YOUTUBE]v=QKZcGAq5kKs[/YOUTUBE]

For something a little different
[YOUTUBE]v=FNzf1CfIAC8[/YOUTUBE]


[YOUTUBE]v=0-vLMi-Yshs[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]v=WvXaCs3Pcq4[/YOUTUBE]
The keyboard player died in a scuba diving accident a few years ago.
 

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I just had a couple glasses of wine so am going to post in this thread sans jazz.

Does anybody feel like the 'decline' of jazz was actually caused by a limit on the sounds you can make with jazz instruments?

After a while, various albums from different periods of jazz history all sound similar to me. And the history of jazz's progression has seemed not only logical, but that it's come to something of a logical end-point. In the beginning artists like Louis Armstrong started expressing themselves more vividly with their instruments. Then Charlie Parker / Miles Davis ushered in modern jazz, followed by Coltrane and Coleman's post-modern 'free' jazz which tended toward the abstract and basic noise. Now there's a fragmentation of styles and a bunch of artists who are open to playing whatever.

I don't know how you can build on what's already been done in the genre. Horatio Parker?

Have another drink, Rousseau…

The increasing abstraction paralleled what happened in classical music. Much of which I guess you would also consider noise: Stockhausen, Boulez, Elliott Carter etc. I don't, nor is Coleman, tho I don't like everything I've heard from him, and especially not Coltrane.

But that's not all that was going on in say 1965. Lee Morgan, Mingus, Horace Silver, Bobby Hutcherson, and many others were not in the avant grade. Those traditional approaches will not go away.

As for building on the genre, of course it'll happen. Not as quickly, maybe and in unforeseen ways but I it's not over by a long shot. The fusion of African and European musics, dominated by African Americans, has taken over the whole planet. No, it's not over.

Can you get to this? Problem is, you have to listen to the whole thing. Keep looking for something. It's there. Maybe a joint to go along with that wine…Coltrane was an acid head, you know.

 

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I just had a couple glasses of wine so am going to post in this thread sans jazz.

Does anybody feel like the 'decline' of jazz was actually caused by a limit on the sounds you can make with jazz instruments?

After a while, various albums from different periods of jazz history all sound similar to me. And the history of jazz's progression has seemed not only logical, but that it's come to something of a logical end-point. In the beginning artists like Louis Armstrong started expressing themselves more vividly with their instruments. Then Charlie Parker / Miles Davis ushered in modern jazz, followed by Coltrane and Coleman's post-modern 'free' jazz which tended toward the abstract and basic noise. Now there's a fragmentation of styles and a bunch of artists who are open to playing whatever.

I don't know how you can build on what's already been done in the genre. Horatio Parker?

Have another drink, Rousseau…

The increasing abstraction paralleled what happened in classical music. Much of which I guess you would also consider noise: Stockhausen, Boulez, Elliott Carter etc. I don't, nor is Coleman, tho I don't like everything I've heard from him, and especially not Coltrane.

But that's not all that was going on in say 1965. Lee Morgan, Mingus, Horace Silver, Bobby Hutcherson, and many others were not in the avant grade. Those traditional approaches will not go away.

As for building on the genre, of course it'll happen. Not as quickly, maybe and in unforeseen ways but I it's not over by a long shot. The fusion of African and European musics, dominated by African Americans, has taken over the whole planet. No, it's not over.

Can you get to this? Problem is, you have to listen to the whole thing. Keep looking for something. It's there. Maybe a joint to go along with that wine…Coltrane was an acid head, you know.


Didn't mean to be derogatory with the 'basic noise' term, I can totally get down to free jazz. Listened to 'Meditations', of all things, on the way home from work the other day. I had enough joints in college to get it.

By 'basic noise' I mean that as you move along the 'free jazz' tangent, eventually the music is so deconstructed that there is no music. Most free jazz artists seem to stop before that point, but the point was that the end of the free jazz tangent sounds like the end of jazz to me. The combinations that are actually harmonic to some extent have reached a conclusion.

Maybe I'm too rational about it, but I agree with your analysis above.
 

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Didn't mean to be derogatory with the 'basic noise' term, I can totally get down to free jazz. Listened to 'Meditations', of all things, on the way home from work the other day. I had enough joints in college to get it.

By 'basic noise' I mean that as you move along the 'free jazz' tangent, eventually the music is so deconstructed that there is no music. Most free jazz artists seem to stop before that point, but the point was that the end of the free jazz tangent sounds like the end of jazz to me. The combinations that are actually harmonic to some extent have reached a conclusion.

Maybe I'm too rational about it, but I agree with your analysis above.

Glad to hear it. Sorry I got it wrong.

I don't know why it should be the end. Anyway, the progression is not from pretty music to noise. It's trying to use other sounds or combination of sounds. And influences from European modern classical music combined with improvisation.

 

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Makes sense.

That is something that I've noticed on Spotify and described in Ted Gioia's New Millennium section in his History of Jazz. Many new jazz artists are fuzing it's basic elements with other styles. Admittedly, not something I've looked into in depth yet, but if you were to tell me that was the future of jazz, I'd believe you.

Although, at some point how you define what jazz actually is comes into question.
 

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Makes sense.

That is something that I've noticed on Spotify and described in Ted Gioia's New Millennium section in his History of Jazz. Many new jazz artists are fuzing it's basic elements with other styles. Admittedly, not something I've looked into in depth yet, but if you were to tell me that was the future of jazz, I'd believe you.

Although, at some point how you define what jazz actually is comes into question.

Live music has been declining since the phonograph. Now that jazz is repertory music and often appears in the same venues as classical, besides composers being influenced by it, it's natural that would mix.

I don't know if it's *the* future, but it's a future, anyway.
 

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Billy Childs with Becca Stevens - The Confession (Laura Nyro)

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X0FJQDiHLdk[/YouTube]
 

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Was checking out some Herbie Hancock albums today at work, and came across this gem:


Hard to believe it took me this long to find it. I love Joni Mitchell.

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[YOUTUBE]3DM9fGXHhlk[/YOUTUBE]

Post-Coltrane. Need to give this one a more thorough listen sometime, given all the buzz it's gotten.

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if the essence of jazz is impromptu music, how is spinning and mixing not jazz, too?

AFAIK that's been one of the central questions throughout the history of the genre: what is and isn't jazz.
 

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[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kPXw6YaCEY[/YOUTUBE]

Outstanding video. Merry Coltranemas for me.
 

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Watching Startalk recording from last night. Guests are Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter.
 

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Have been listening to live Art Blakey and group recordings


Seems like a lot of 'modern' jazz circa the 50s was a show of intense technical skill, and flurries of notes, besides what a few others were doing.

I don't know what it is. I listen to a band play like this and I can't make sense of it, but I love it, and could listen to it all day.
 

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The beauty of Spotify. I've been starting to look at the players on various albums of the big names, and going down the rabbit hole and seeing what they put out themselves. After a few good solos by Kenny Dorham on some Blakey albums I'm taking a look at his stuff too.


Wikipedia tells me he's 'the definition of underrated'.
 

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I've been listening a lot to the keyboardist Jason Moran. This is from his album "Ten." He is (obviously) very influenced by Thelonius Monk.

 

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[YOUTUBE]watch?v=rKR3rfChkuU&list=PL07D14ED7EBD324F9[/YOUTUBE]

Wayne Shorter has had a long and distinguished career - Miles Davis and Weather Report - before he went solo.
 

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Starting to compile a playlist on Spotify of albums released from the Village Vanguard:
https://open.spotify.com/user/nicholasadmcrae/playlist/4w0MW49nfaIAbNCiPaSIhl

Also started a playlist a few months ago of jazz inspired by or played in NYC:
https://open.spotify.com/user/nicholasadmcrae/playlist/5i7TC9m4LXzBe5MGft1aPt

This is what you need to do when it costs hundreds of dollars to make it to New York

(if anyone has recommendations for these two playlists that aren't already on there, that'd be appreciated)
 
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From Waltz for Debby

I really gotta read a biography on Bill Evans, if one is out there. Based on his music I get the sense he was an interesting guy.
 

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Sounds a great deal like Bonnie Raitt. Good stuff.
 
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