What will the upcoming Putin/Trump new world order look like?

[Loren Pechtel]

Two-state was always an illusion.

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no, i think arabs will fight thousands years you are in delusion

1) It's not Arabs that are relevant. It's Muslims.

2) Muslims have been fighting as long as they have existed.

 

[funinspace]

no, i think arabs will fight thousands years you are in delusion

1) It's not Arabs that are relevant. It's Muslims.

2) Muslims have been fighting as long as they have existed.

1) It's not whites that are relevant. It's Christians.

2) Christians have been fighting as long as they have existed.

 

[LordKiran]

1. Trump gives new meaning to homeland security by focusing more at home. Europe suffers for it. Contracts on US largess wherever he can, feeling everything should be for sale, failing to see the long term detriment of his selfishness.
2. Arab tribes are left to their own devices. Trump supports/encourages Israel completely in all that they do.
3. Trump puts the pedal to the metal on US energy independence. Saudi Arabians aren't the nice contented folk the are today, which feeds point two.
4. Putin continues to take advantage where opportunity presents itself but Russia continues to suffer the effects of low energy prices. As I stated in early summer, $50 oil isn't going anywhere unless...
5. China vs Trump's ego. I think people are wrongly identifying Trump's America first position to isolationism. Trump will be all to quick to trade court room battles for military ones. Exacerbating the problem will be his inability to separate geopolitics from economics. He's going to make an absolute hash out of relations with China taking us to the brink of military conflict. This may be his point of impeachment.

Everything beyond the first two years gets real scary as Trump is increasingly faced with his own limitations, lets his emotions cloud his thinking, and just wants to go back to being The Donald.

Point-for-point, your analysis seems most likely.

 

[Syed]

no, i think arabs will fight thousands years you are in delusion

1) It's not Arabs that are relevant. It's Muslims.

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arabs are muslims and will fight thousands years, you are deluded

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1) It's not Arabs that are relevant. It's Muslims.

2) Muslims have been fighting as long as they have existed.

1) It's not whites that are relevant. It's Christians.

2) Christians have been fighting as long as they have existed.

People who are Christian isn't the same thing as Christians.

The Muslims have been fighting to impose Islam for as long as they have existed. The last time we were fighting to impose Christianity was the Crusades.

 

[Syed]

1) It's not whites that are relevant. It's Christians.

2) Christians have been fighting as long as they have existed.

People who are Christian isn't the same thing as Christians.

The Muslims have been fighting to impose Islam for as long as they have existed. .

islam is powerful religion it will take over all cult including your cult

 

[Jarhyn]

People who are Christian isn't the same thing as Christians.

The Muslims have been fighting to impose Islam for as long as they have existed. .

islam is powerful religion it will take over all cult including your cult

No, it won't, because islam lacks the most powerful memetic mechanism of all: self-review.

 

[funinspace]

1) It's not whites that are relevant. It's Christians.

2) Christians have been fighting as long as they have existed.

People who are Christian isn't the same thing as Christians.

The Muslims have been fighting to impose Islam for as long as they have existed. The last time we were fighting to impose Christianity was the Crusades.

You have a funny version of human history....

 

[Loren Pechtel]

People who are Christian isn't the same thing as Christians.

The Muslims have been fighting to impose Islam for as long as they have existed. .

islam is powerful religion it will take over all cult including your cult

1) I have no cult.

2) If you truly anger the major powers of the world Islam will die. 30 minutes after His Flatulence decided the threat was intolerable there would be no more Middle East. Putin would be more likely to make that decision and the result would be faster, also.

You think of us as a paper tiger but that's because we have never faced a problem we considered truly intolerable.

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People who are Christian isn't the same thing as Christians.

The Muslims have been fighting to impose Islam for as long as they have existed. The last time we were fighting to impose Christianity was the Crusades.

You have a funny version of human history....

What is your example of a more recent time?

 

[Syed]

islam is powerful religion it will take over all cult including your cult

1) I have no cult.

2) If you truly anger the major powers of the world Islam will die. 30 minutes after His Flatulence decided the threat was intolerable there would be no more Middle East. Putin would be more likely to make that decision and the result would be faster, also.

You think of us as a paper tiger but that's because we have never faced a problem we considered truly intolerable.

you couldn't kill all jews so how can you kill all muslims?
be realistic islam is taking over europe not other way around

 

[Will Wiley]

Here are a couple of alternate views.
A recent one, whih might have some surprises.
Making Sense of Trump by Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich

And one from earlier in the year (when Trump was not supposed to win)

Would you understand Trump; you might
wish to read this interview from 1990.*

 

[Will Wiley]

Two-state was always an illusion.

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no, i think arabs will fight thousands years you are in delusion

I'm loathe to almost agree with you, but you might be right if we substitute Moslems for Arabs. The west does not understand Islam, and it does not understand the point of view of many moslems. It seems to think it can buy them

 

[Will Wiley]

1) I have no cult.

2) If you truly anger the major powers of the world Islam will die. 30 minutes after His Flatulence decided the threat was intolerable there would be no more Middle East. Putin would be more likely to make that decision and the result would be faster, also.

You think of us as a paper tiger but that's because we have never faced a problem we considered truly intolerable.

you couldn't kill all jews so how can you kill all muslims?
be realistic islam is taking over europe not other way around

Nah... Moslems don't even invent much, in their own stew.. They rely on western creativity and and industry pretty much. This is not to say Islam doesn't have anything to offer, but it's hard to imagine modern Islam having the creativity energy and colour to do too much except react.

But hey if you think they will take over then what do you imagine it will look like?? I'm interested to know

 

[DrZoidberg]

1) I have no cult.

2) If you truly anger the major powers of the world Islam will die. 30 minutes after His Flatulence decided the threat was intolerable there would be no more Middle East. Putin would be more likely to make that decision and the result would be faster, also.

You think of us as a paper tiger but that's because we have never faced a problem we considered truly intolerable.

you couldn't kill all jews so how can you kill all muslims?
be realistic islam is taking over europe not other way around

Here's something I've wondered about this breed of Muslims, Syed. What does it matter to Muslims how many other people are Muslims? Why do you need to take over anything? Why can't people just get to pick whatever religion they want? Why this need to force people? If Islam and Allah is so great then wouldn't everybody sooner or later figure out it's greatness on their own? Why does God need help from humans?

 

[ElectEngr]

I, for one, welcome our new Russian overlords....

Later,
ElectEngr

 

[funinspace]

People who are Christian isn't the same thing as Christians.

The Muslims have been fighting to impose Islam for as long as they have existed. The last time we were fighting to impose Christianity was the Crusades.

You have a funny version of human history....

What is your example of a more recent time?

One would think most anyone would know about the Spanish Inquisition, which went on for centuries after the crusades…

And then there is the Portuguese Goa Inquisition.

In modern times, there is the Central African Republic where Anti-balaka Christian groups have terrorized Muslims.

Though much more modest in scale, and has petered out, there is Nagaland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Nagaland

Its manifesto is based on the principle of Socialism for economic development and a Baptist Christian religious outlook ‘Nagaland for Christ’.[67] In some of their documents the NSCN has called for recognizing only Christianity in Nagalim.[68] They believe in Christian theocracy

Never mind that the biggest backers of the Shrub’s invasion/occupation of Iraq were Evangelicals. They most probably didn’t think they were converting anyone, but killing Muslims was certainly seen in a positive light by these groups. I see it in my own in-law family, where they aren’t far from saying ‘the only good Muslim is a dead one’. Muslim extremist terrorism in the US and the EU isn’t about imposing Islam on the west either….as long as we are comparing apples to farts…

 

[Syed]

you couldn't kill all jews so how can you kill all muslims?
be realistic islam is taking over europe not other way around

Nah... Moslems don't even invent much, in their own stew.. They rely on western creativity and and industry pretty much. This is not to say Islam doesn't have anything to offer, but it's hard to imagine modern Islam having the creativity energy and colour to do too much except react.

But hey if you think they will take over then what do you imagine it will look like?? I'm interested to know

human are unpredictable creature, maybe good maybe bad , but islam is human destiny

 

[Syed]

you couldn't kill all jews so how can you kill all muslims?
be realistic islam is taking over europe not other way around

Here's something I've wondered about this breed of Muslims, Syed. What does it matter to Muslims how many other people are Muslims? Why do you need to take over anything? Why can't people just get to pick whatever religion they want? Why this need to force people? If Islam and Allah is so great then wouldn't everybody sooner or later figure out it's greatness on their own? Why does God need help from humans?

we dont forced

 

[Jayjay]

Here's something I've wondered about this breed of Muslims, Syed. What does it matter to Muslims how many other people are Muslims? Why do you need to take over anything? Why can't people just get to pick whatever religion they want? Why this need to force people? If Islam and Allah is so great then wouldn't everybody sooner or later figure out it's greatness on their own? Why does God need help from humans?

we dont forced

Yeah right. You just condone violence if your demands are not met.

 

[Syed]

we dont forced

Yeah right. You just condone violence if your demands are not met.

let me tell you what is threat to west and what is not.

sharia law is NOT threat to the west

radical muslims is NOT threat to the west

muslim brotherhood is NOT threat to the west

isis is NOT threat to the west

alqaeda is NOT threat to the west

hamas is NOT threat to the west

iran is NOT threat to the west

jihad is NOT threat to the west

islam is the REAL threat to the west

islam is a POWERFUL religion and christianity is a STUPID religion

so islam will take over the christianity and the west

THIS IS NOT A TAQIYYA