Who Agrees Fourth Wave Feminism is Toxic Femininity And Should Be Abolished?

[Half-Life]

Fourth Wave Feminism is causing men to be scared to death to come on to a woman for fear they will scream, "Rape!"
It's become such a problem that MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) is becoming very popular. If you are a straight white male, the feminists think you are a disease to humanity. Yet, Muslim men who force women to cover up from head to toe are praised by the feminists as Islam is openly embraced by the third wave feminists. Anyone find this ironic? We know one thing Islam has in common with feminists is hatred of white men, so maybe that's why they love Islam so much.

This is why men are getting fed up. The hatred of white men is astounding while the love is Islam is never ending. This makes the men feel worthless for not even doing anything wrong. They can look at a women the wrong way and women can scream how offensive it is. Yet, women can check out men all they want! Imagine a man telling a woman, "Stop looking at me! I'm offended!" The woman would laugh in their face. It's gotten so bad that Marianne Williamson lead an "apology prayer" where she had all white people at the gathering apologize to black people. This is extremely toxic and teaches everyone to be the victim.

And as I mentioned in another thread:

Incel is meant to insult a group of men who have difficulties finding women. The incel insult is mostly used by feminists or people who agree with the feminists. This is just as insulting to men as the "spinster" label was to women in the early days of women's suffrage. People called these early feminists "losers who couldn't find a man" and now we've come full circle and women are doing the same insults to men.

Anyone else find this disgusting?

Here is a video that perfectly sums up fourth wave feminism and what the message is actually sending to white men:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEiguYmgxA[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Keith&Co.]

What?
If it's an insult why do so many incels name their forums with 'incel,' or self-identify with their 'cel' reason, like manletcel, currycel, soycel, wagecel, volcel... are they just so stupid they don't know it's an insult?

 

[Half-Life]

What?
If it's an insult why do so many incels name their forums with 'incel,' or self-identify with their 'cel' reason, like manletcel, currycel, soycel, wagecel, volcel... are they just so stupid they don't know it's an insult?

I suppose it wold be an insult if you call them that and you are not part of the group, sort of like the N word for blacks and the F word for gays. But, this is a minor point.

You are right that there are people who are incels. However, the media has made the term into meaning, "misogynist white male who disagrees with feminism and the SJW's." Incels can be any race. Just because one disagrees with feminism doesn't make someone a misogynist. They do not hate women. They have been rejected by women so much that they have given up hope of ever finding one. The media distorts the real meaning and makes it out to be an epidemic of epic proportions, which is certainly not true. Men who are deemed worthless by women by virtue of being white can have a devastating effect over male/female relations. When American women have the highest standards of living out of any country in the world, there is no reason to be complaining like a psychopath anymore. Other countries need their voices, not America. If we didn't value women in this country, we wouldn't give them lighter prison sentences than men and disallow them from being drafted into war. "Male privilege" indeed.

Muslims countries kill women for not wearing the hijab. American women scream about "manspreading" on public transit. "We are oppressed because men spread their legs out onto 2 seats! But we can take up as much space as we want with our huge purses that weigh 10 pounds!"

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

I am far more upset with GOP attacks on women's health issues and things that directly impact women negatively because right wing.

Women seem to agree. Pew tells us today's women voters give Trump (and thus the GOP) a 31% approval rating. This is why Trump's approval ratings hover in the very low 40% range. This is why Trump is going to lose big in 2020. This is why we had the big blue wave of 2018. Getting wobble assed about them bad ol' feminists is pretty much a silly waste of time.

Worse yet, Trump and the GOP have not only lost Democratic women, they have lost the Independent women voters. And even Republican women voters give Trump approximately 75% approval rating.

Are we having fun yet? See you the day after election day, 2020.

 

[Keith&Co.]

You are right that there are people who are incels. However, the media has made the term into meaning, "misogynist white male who disagrees with feminism and the SJW's."

Actually, it's the people posting as incels that have made sure they are seen as misogynistic. Like that other post of yours, where you described women as a commodity.
And as a group, they pretty much blame all women and most of society for their status. Everything wrong with their lives is the fault of someone else, never their own bile-fueled rhetoric or misogyny.
So diagreeing with feminism doesn't begin to cover the incel vommunity.

Incels can be any race. Just because one disagrees with feminism doesn't make someone a misogynist.

The manner in which they disagree with the idea thast women are people, too, however, does make them misogynists.
The reference to women as foids, as holes, and the general desire to treat them as a vagina delivery service...

They do not hate women.

Dream on. Anyone posting a 'women are nit tgst had' thread on incel sites is hounded out by the True incels as a lying beta cuck.

They have been rejected by women so much that they have given up hope of ever finding one. The media distorts the real meaning and makes it out to be an epidemic of epic proportions, which is certainly not true.

Epidemic? Haven't seen that in the media.
But they champion mass-shooters and insist rapists have done nothing wrong, so however many of them there are, they need to be identified before thry ho ER.

Men who are deemed worthless by women by virtue of being white can have a devastating effect over male/female relations.

Ah. Back to that whine, are we?

When American women have the highest standards of living out of any country in the world, there is no reason to be complaining like a psychopath anymore.

um, just because YOU have a high opinion of someone else's life, that is not evidence THEY are or should be satisfied.
Nor that complaints = psycopathic screaming.

That just means you dont want to hear their POV.

Other countries need their voices, not America. If we didn't value women in this country, we wouldn't give them lighter prison sentences than men and disallow them from being drafted into war. "Male privilege" indeed.

yeah, see, framing their complaints into your standards and lies is not helping sell the idea you respect women.

Muslims countries kill women for not wearing the hijab. American women scream about "manspreading" on public transit.

Sweetie, i respect you, but shut up about things if they are not as bad as some other country.
Because i hate feminism.

"We are oppressed because men spread their legs out onto 2 seats! But we can take up as much space as we want with our huge purses that weigh 10 pounds!"

Cite? Anyone saying this?
Any WOMAN saying this?

 

[Elixir]

"We are oppressed because men spread their legs out onto 2 seats! But we can take up as much space as we want with our huge purses that weigh 10 pounds!"

Cite? Anyone saying this?
Any WOMAN saying this?

Well ... there's Haffy...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Radical Muslims are oppressing men under sharia law, getting them to become suicide bombers by threatening their families and lying to them to use as fodder in religious wars. But white male masculinist activists are complaining about women and their purses, who women choose to look at sexually, and their free speech. White male masculinists are so white privileged they have nothing better to do than complain about nonsense like what a politican says about ring girls or school uniform policies. These spoiled brats grow up to be like Rand Paul, complaining in the Congressional record about Toilets flushing. This white male victimhood culture needs to stop. Gazillions of people are not free in this world and so many are dying for unjust reasons. Grow up, be tough, stop getting outrage-triggered by identity politics news stories in the West. The world is bigger than you and your victimhood culture. Get a sense of perspective and real priorities for the planet.

 

[Half-Life]

Radical Muslims are oppressing men under sharia law, getting them to become suicide bombers by threatening their families and lying to them to use as fodder in religious wars. But white male masculinist activists are complaining about women and their purses, who women choose to look at sexually, and their free speech. White male masculinists are so white privileged they have nothing better to do than complain about nonsense like what a politican says about ring girls or school uniform policies. These spoiled brats grow up to be like Rand Paul, complaining in the Congressional record about Toilets flushing. This white male victimhood culture needs to stop. Gazillions of people are not free in this world and so many are dying for unjust reasons. Grow up, be tough, stop getting outrage-triggered by identity politics news stories in the West. The world is bigger than you and your victimhood culture. Get a sense of perspective and real priorities for the planet.

The bold is toxic masculinity and racist. Do you think this helps people who are actual involuntary celibates?

Why is OK for other groups to talk about how they are victims and point out what they see as problems, but when white men point out the problems they have with society, people tell them to shut up? This is very racist in and of itself. It's very ironic to me. The people who claim to be anti-racist are racist against white men and the people who hate toxic masculinity push the stereotype by telling me to "grow up and be tough!"

 

[laughing dog]

The notion of abolishing an idea is authoritarian delusion.

The notion that disagreement with the complaints of white men is necessarily racist is idiotic.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I’ll join this million strawman march.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The bold is toxic masculinity and racist. Do you think this helps people who are actual involuntary celibates?

Complaining about men with a rather cartoonish definition of masculinity is masculine in nature, and at toxic levels? You really are just a see-n-say, aren't you? Just go ahead and post

and be done.

 

[Toni]

Radical Muslims are oppressing men under sharia law, getting them to become suicide bombers by threatening their families and lying to them to use as fodder in religious wars. But white male masculinist activists are complaining about women and their purses, who women choose to look at sexually, and their free speech. White male masculinists are so white privileged they have nothing better to do than complain about nonsense like what a politican says about ring girls or school uniform policies. These spoiled brats grow up to be like Rand Paul, complaining in the Congressional record about Toilets flushing. This white male victimhood culture needs to stop. Gazillions of people are not free in this world and so many are dying for unjust reasons. Grow up, be tough, stop getting outrage-triggered by identity politics news stories in the West. The world is bigger than you and your victimhood culture. Get a sense of perspective and real priorities for the planet.

The bold is toxic masculinity and racist. Do you think this helps people who are actual involuntary celibates?

Why is OK for other groups to talk about how they are victims and point out what they see as problems, but when white men point out the problems they have with society, people tell them to shut up? This is very racist in and of itself. It's very ironic to me. The people who claim to be anti-racist are racist against white men and the people who hate toxic masculinity push the stereotype by telling me to "grow up and be tough!"

Involuntary celibates need to develop better —or on some cases: any—social skills and manners and too often better grooming. They tend to need to embrace the fact that sex is not a right that men have or that women are obliged to offer on demand without the context of mutual agreeableness and mutual satisfaction—or ever.

If we’re going to start banning stuff, I say let’s start by bannining idiocy and racism and misogyny and bigotry.

 

[abaddon]

I could understand describing a quadriplegic person as involuntarily celibate. It's hard to imagine how it's involuntary if there isn't an extremely debilitating handicap. If you make choices in your life that make "hooking up" very difficult, then make other choices.

If there's a mental issue that makes relating with women difficult, then own it as YOUR problem and do something to cure it. Feeling you're too fucked up to meet any woman's standard isn't the woman's problem.

 

[Jarhyn]

Jesus fucking Christ on a cummy communion wafer...

Men are NOT entitled to sex. Nobody who has ever actually had sex would ever be such a fucking idiot as to give one lickspittle about celibacy, not because they are somehow freed from celibacy but because they are in a position to understand that sex isn't all that special.

An orgasm is a fucking orgasm. It doesn't matter how it happens (ok, it does: prostate massage is fucking amazing); any feelings of pleasure you can get by being with another human being, you can get from yourself. Hell, the feelings you can get from yourself are going to be better unless you have fetishized women to such an unhealthy degree as to have a mental problem. The only thing a real living person can bring to the experience is an emotional connection, one incels are likely incapable of approaching, appreciating, or achieving in the first place.

Inceldom is a function of being a shitty human being. Full stop. If you don't like your solo sex life, sex with another person won't be any better. Stop fetishizing it. You're only going to be disappointed.

 

[Rhea]

Fourth Wave Feminism is causing men to be scared to death to come on to a woman for fear they will scream, "Rape!"

Holy shit, really? Men are finally stopping to think about whether their attentions are welcome before acting on them?
Well hallefuckinglujah.

 

[laughing dog]

As a straight white male, I find the views expressed in the OP more frightening and insulting than “4th wave feminism”.

 

[Metaphor]

Nobody who has ever actually had sex would ever be such a fucking idiot as to give one lickspittle about celibacy, not because they are somehow freed from celibacy but because they are in a position to understand that sex isn't all that special.

An orgasm is a fucking orgasm. It doesn't matter how it happens (ok, it does: prostate massage is fucking amazing); any feelings of pleasure you can get by being with another human being, you can get from yourself.

Okay. What you've written above is deeply idiotic and is completely at odds with your humblebrag "slut" status.

If you told somebody "do you think you'll have lost something important if for the rest of your life you can never have sex with another person again", most people will tell you "are you kidding, of course I'd have lost something".

 

[Jarhyn]

Nobody who has ever actually had sex would ever be such a fucking idiot as to give one lickspittle about celibacy, not because they are somehow freed from celibacy but because they are in a position to understand that sex isn't all that special.

An orgasm is a fucking orgasm. It doesn't matter how it happens (ok, it does: prostate massage is fucking amazing); any feelings of pleasure you can get by being with another human being, you can get from yourself.

Okay. What you've written above is deeply idiotic and is completely at odds with your humblebrag "slut" status.

If you told somebody "do you think you'll have lost something important if for the rest of your life you can never have sex with another person again", most people will tell you "are you kidding, of course I'd have lost something".

Yes, I've been a huge slut in my life, largely in the attempt to seek a relationship, a connection with another human being. Those experiences are exactly how and why I know that, categorically, the things I can do to myself are categorically more fun.

That question also has the spin on it that implies, well, some awful stupidity to it. You'd have to "lose something" for the function of it to even be possible, so no shit people would be afraid of your bullshit. As anyone in a marriage can tell you, though, it's generally worth it.

 

[SimpleDon]

I could understand describing a quadriplegic person as involuntarily celibate. It's hard to imagine how it's involuntary if there isn't an extremely debilitating handicap. If you make choices in your life that make "hooking up" very difficult, then make other choices.

If there's a mental issue that makes relating with women difficult, then own it as YOUR problem and do something to cure it. Feeling you're too fucked up to meet any woman's standard isn't the woman's problem.

As possibly the only quadriplegic on this board, I can definitely say that I have much success charming women and much need to do it. I depend entirely on women. Many men in my position give up on life. It is important for me to make my caregivers realize that I haven't given up, that I am still trying to minimize any decline, that I still enjoy life and feel that I still have a lot to live for.

In my experience, women are looking for a man who is self-confident but not full of himself, who listens, who is an adult, and who has a sense of humor. These are things that can be learned. And even if you are caught out being insensitive you at least get points for trying.

 

[SimpleDon]

It goes without saying that what women don't want is victimhood from wild and improbable conspiracy theories.