Who Agrees Fourth Wave Feminism is Toxic Femininity And Should Be Abolished?

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-wave_feminism
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Whereas earlier feminists fought for and earned women greater liberation, individualism, and social mobility, the fourth wave furthers the agenda by calling for justice against assault and harassment, for equal pay for equal work, and for bodily autonomy.[4] Fourth-wave feminists often use print, news, and social media to collaborate and mobilize, speak against abusers of power, and provide equal opportunities for girls and women. In addition to advocating for women, fourth-wave feminists believe that boys and men should have greater opportunities to express their emotions and feelings freely, to present themselves as they wish, and to be engaged parents to their children.
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Oh noes! We can't have THAT! Demonize! Demonize! Demonize the Fourth Wave Feminists! Toxic feminism! Toxic feminism! Gurgle! Drool!

Well, hey! What can I do but cheer on these Fourth Wave Feminists? I hope that, wearing their cute pink pussy hats, they turn out at the polls and sweep Trump out of office. And maybe even flip the damned Senate. I for one welcome our new Fourth Wave Feminist overlords.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Anecdotes in 3, 2, ...

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Fourth-wave feminism, like other waves before it, in this period was not about the existence of a single ideology, entity, or collective.^[31] It was about drawing together in collective groups to work together towards a common goal of ending violence against women in order to free them for the options to take the paths they desire; it was about mutual commitment and support to other women.^[32] The movement in Spain traces its roots to the murder of Ana Orantes; on 17 December 1997^[31][23] she was burned to death by her husband in her house in Granada for speaking publicly on Canal Sur about abuse she suffered at his hands
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Here you go. Here is what was the spark that started Fourth Wave Feminism as a serious movement. A large part of Fourth Wave Feminism is working against violence against women which has been rampant. Them feminists certainly are radical and toxic.

 

[Half-Life]

Fourth-wave feminism, like other waves before it, in this period was not about the existence of a single ideology, entity, or collective.^[31] It was about drawing together in collective groups to work together towards a common goal of ending violence against women in order to free them for the options to take the paths they desire; it was about mutual commitment and support to other women.^[32] The movement in Spain traces its roots to the murder of Ana Orantes; on 17 December 1997^[31][23] she was burned to death by her husband in her house in Granada for speaking publicly on Canal Sur about abuse she suffered at his hands
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Here you go. Here is what was the spark that started Fourth Wave Feminism as a serious movement. A large part of Fourth Wave Feminism is working against violence against women which has been rampant. Them feminists certainly are radical and toxic.

But, why do they demonize white men so much? You saw the video in the OP. That's what the women want white men to feel like: Apologize for being white and male.

You never see these feminists complaining about the black fathers abandoning their families all the time. You know why? Because they are black, so they can't criticize them without fear of being called a racist. So, they demonize the white man because "you can't be racist if you speak against the white man!" but this is exactly racism!

How come they don't push for longer prison sentences for women to be equal to the men? Oh, because this is an ADVANTAGE to them so they can't complain about how unfair that is. If men got lesser sentences than women, they'd be screaming the Heavens for the men to get longer time.

How come they don't speak about the disgusting treatment of women in Islam? Why instead do they fight for Islam to be accepted in the West?

What about Danny Masterson who was accused of rape, charges were cleared, and he still can't find work? I bet he's thanking this toxic femininity 4th wave of feminism.

 

[Half-Life]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-wave_feminism
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Whereas earlier feminists fought for and earned women greater liberation, individualism, and social mobility, the fourth wave furthers the agenda by calling for justice against assault and harassment, for equal pay for equal work, and for bodily autonomy.[4] Fourth-wave feminists often use print, news, and social media to collaborate and mobilize, speak against abusers of power, and provide equal opportunities for girls and women. In addition to advocating for women, fourth-wave feminists believe that boys and men should have greater opportunities to express their emotions and feelings freely, to present themselves as they wish, and to be engaged parents to their children.
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Oh noes! We can't have THAT! Demonize! Demonize! Demonize the Fourth Wave Feminists! Toxic feminism! Toxic feminism! Gurgle! Drool!

Well, hey! What can I do but cheer on these Fourth Wave Feminists? I hope that, wearing their cute pink pussy hats, they turn out at the polls and sweep Trump out of office. And maybe even flip the damned Senate. I for one welcome our new Fourth Wave Feminist overlords.

One of the biggest problems for these 4th wave feminists to obsess over is........manspreading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manspreading

"Manspreading or man-sitting is the practice of men sitting in public transport with legs wide apart, thereby covering more than one seat."

The funny part about this is a few paragraphs down we get this:

"The criticism and campaigns against manspreading have been counter-criticized for not addressing similar behavior by women, such as taking up adjacent seats with bags, or "she-bagging." The controversy surrounding manspreading has been described by equity feminist Cathy Young as "pseudo feminism – preoccupied with male misbehavior, no matter how trivial."

Hilarious! They even show a picture of a woman doing it on that page!

Look at how far they've fallen. They are making up problems now. "Women getting killed in Islam? Screw 'em! They don't need us! We need to fight the manspreaders!!!!!!!!"

 

[Half-Life]

Fourth Wave Feminism is causing men to be scared to death to come on to a woman for fear they will scream, "Rape!"

Holy shit, really? Men are finally stopping to think about whether their attentions are welcome before acting on them?
Well hallefuckinglujah.

Have you seen that disgusting Gillette ad where they painted all men as potential rapists? One white man saw a cute woman on the street and he gave a smile and started walking toward her to engage her in conversation and a black man comes over to him and stops him and says, "not cool, not cool."

So it shows the "black savior" saving the "evil white man" from simply talking to a woman.

Feminism shouldn't be making men be scared to death just to TALK to a woman.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Look at how far they've fallen. They are making up problems now. "Women getting killed in Islam? Screw 'em! They don't need us! We need to fight the manspreaders!!!!!!!!"

yeah, this bit where you decide what women should and should not be protesting?
Tell me again how much you respect women.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Feminism shouldn't be making men be scared to death just to TALK to a woman.

All you see in that ad is that he was going to talk to the woman, and she was going to scream rapist? Wow.

 

[RVonse]

I could understand describing a quadriplegic person as involuntarily celibate. It's hard to imagine how it's involuntary if there isn't an extremely debilitating handicap. If you make choices in your life that make "hooking up" very difficult, then make other choices.

If there's a mental issue that makes relating with women difficult, then own it as YOUR problem and do something to cure it. Feeling you're too fucked up to meet any woman's standard isn't the woman's problem.

As possibly the only quadriplegic on this board, I can definitely say that I have much success charming women and much need to do it. I depend entirely on women. Many men in my position give up on life. It is important for me to make my caregivers realize that I haven't given up, that I am still trying to minimize any decline, that I still enjoy life and feel that I still have a lot to live for.

Being a quadriplegic is not that bad as being impoverished. If you are rich and sucessful like Steven Hawkins I think you are in much better position for charming a woman than if you are poor living in your parents basement.

In my experience, women are looking for a man who is self-confident but not full of himself, who listens, who is an adult, and who has a sense of humor. These are things that can be learned. And even if you are caught out being insensitive you at least get points for trying.

I agree with this.

 

[Half-Life]

Feminism shouldn't be making men be scared to death just to TALK to a woman.

All you see in that ad is that he was going to talk to the woman, and she was going to scream rapist? Wow.

It was insulting to all men. People tried to justify it by saying, "It's only talking about men who are rapists!" The left told us to stop getting upset over a commercial.

Yet, imagine if the commercial said, "Cmon black men! We can do better and stop committing crime!" It would be offensive to all black men. Simply saying, "They;re only talking about the black men that commit crime!" wouldn't justify it in any way, shape, or form. We know the left would've been screaming about the commercial just as loud if the tables were turned like that.

 

[RVonse]

It goes without saying that what women don't want is victimhood from wild and improbable conspiracy theories.

I totally agree that they don't want to victimhood. But you have lost me with the conspiracy theory part of this.

Are you saying feminism is a conspiracy theory? You have completely lost me here.

 

[Half-Life]

It goes without saying that what women don't want is victimhood from wild and improbable conspiracy theories.

I totally agree that they don't want to victimhood. But you have lost me with the conspiracy theory part of this.

Are you saying feminism is a conspiracy theory? You have completely lost me here.

It's a disguise for them to get more power than men. They don't want equality, they want domination.

There's a good Ben Shapiro quote about feminism: "Feminists were not wrong when they said men are acting like pigs. Feminism was wrong when it said that women should also act like pigs."

 

[RVonse]

It goes without saying that what women don't want is victimhood from wild and improbable conspiracy theories.

I totally agree that they don't want to victimhood. But you have lost me with the conspiracy theory part of this.

Are you saying feminism is a conspiracy theory? You have completely lost me here.

There's a good Ben Shapiro quote about feminism: "Feminists were not wrong when they said men are acting like pigs. Feminism was wrong when it said that women should also act like pigs."

That is a good quote that I had not heard.

Actually I think the feminist's have become very similar to the corporate CEO's of this country.

They already have everything (both politically and powerwise) but still demanding more with no end in sight.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Feminism shouldn't be making men be scared to death just to TALK to a woman.

All you see in that ad is that he was going to talk to the woman, and she was going to scream rapist? Wow.

It was insulting to all men.

only those who are not self-aware of the problems in how men habitually treat women.

People tried to justify it by saying, "It's only talking about men who are rapists!" The left told us to stop getting upset over a commercial.

HALFIE, YOU HAVE TOLD ALL FEMINISTS TO STOP GETTING UPSET ABOUT ANYTHING SHORT OF THE WAY ISLAMIC DTATES TREAT WOMEN.
You are in no position to whine about being told not to take offense at a commercial.

Yet, imagine if

standard halfie 'what if' speculation snipped as being off point and unhelpful.

The commercial gives many examples of thoughtless offensive behavior against women.
You, clearly, see nothing wrong with anything any of the men are doing. That is a big part of the problem.
The mesage is not that all men are rapists, or that talking to women will lead to rape charges. It's just saying we need to treat women with the same respect we demand for ourselves when we do talk to them. I don't know why an incel would be upset t the commercial, they do not talk to women, just about them. So, not aimed at them.

 

[Half-Life]

It was insulting to all men.

only those who are not self-aware of the problems in how men habitually treat women.

People tried to justify it by saying, "It's only talking about men who are rapists!" The left told us to stop getting upset over a commercial.

HALFIE, YOU HAVE TOLD ALL FEMINISTS TO STOP GETTING UPSET ABOUT ANYTHING SHORT OF THE WAY ISLAMIC DTATES TREAT WOMEN.
You are in no position to whine about being told not to take offense at a commercial.

Yet, imagine if

standard halfie 'what if' speculation snipped as being off point and unhelpful.

The commercial gives many examples of thoughtless offensive behavior against women.
You, clearly, see nothing wrong with anything any of the men are doing. That is a big part of the problem.
The mesage is not that all men are rapists, or that talking to women will lead to rape charges. It's just saying we need to treat women with the same respect we demand for ourselves when we do talk to them. I don't know why an incel would be upset t the commercial, they do not talk to women, just about them. So, not aimed at them.

Yes, it's wrong for men to look at women and think they are attractive but it's perfectly acceptable for women to check out men and go "check out the body on that guy!"

Hypocrisy. I've seen many women stare at many men whispering to each other about him the same way men do about women.

They need to stop being so hypocritical.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

only those who are not self-aware of the problems in how men habitually treat women. HALFIE, YOU HAVE TOLD ALL FEMINISTS TO STOP GETTING UPSET ABOUT ANYTHING SHORT OF THE WAY ISLAMIC DTATES TREAT WOMEN.
You are in no position to whine about being told not to take offense at a commercial.

Yet, imagine if

standard halfie 'what if' speculation snipped as being off point and unhelpful.

The commercial gives many examples of thoughtless offensive behavior against women.
You, clearly, see nothing wrong with anything any of the men are doing. That is a big part of the problem.
The mesage is not that all men are rapists, or that talking to women will lead to rape charges. It's just saying we need to treat women with the same respect we demand for ourselves when we do talk to them. I don't know why an incel would be upset t the commercial, they do not talk to women, just about them. So, not aimed at them.

Yes, it's wrong for men to look at women and think they are attractive but it's perfectly acceptable for women to check out men and go "check out the body on that guy!"

Hypocrisy. I've seen many women stare at many men whispering to each other about him the same way men do about women.

They need to stop being so hypocritical.

You don't understand women to not want a stead stream of sexual propositions, come-ons and sexual comments all day long as they go about their daily business. Are you really incapable of understanding the difference and why so many women have for years complained about the rudeness they get from idiot boys on the street? Maybe if infantile men stop being so gross and uncivil. Why is it so many right wingers seem incapable of getting a clue and strawmanning everything?

 

[Metaphor]

Nobody who has ever actually had sex would ever be such a fucking idiot as to give one lickspittle about celibacy, not because they are somehow freed from celibacy but because they are in a position to understand that sex isn't all that special.

An orgasm is a fucking orgasm. It doesn't matter how it happens (ok, it does: prostate massage is fucking amazing); any feelings of pleasure you can get by being with another human being, you can get from yourself.

Okay. What you've written above is deeply idiotic and is completely at odds with your humblebrag "slut" status.

If you told somebody "do you think you'll have lost something important if for the rest of your life you can never have sex with another person again", most people will tell you "are you kidding, of course I'd have lost something".

Yes, I've been a huge slut in my life, largely in the attempt to seek a relationship, a connection with another human being. Those experiences are exactly how and why I know that, categorically, the things I can do to myself are categorically more fun.

That question also has the spin on it that implies, well, some awful stupidity to it. You'd have to "lose something" for the function of it to even be possible, so no shit people would be afraid of your bullshit. As anyone in a marriage can tell you, though, it's generally worth it.

It is deeply idiotic to think masturbation is better than sex and that incels are deluded about sex.

"Afraid of my bullshit", what are you talking about?

 

[Patooka]

You know, we are four pages into this snowflake bullshit, and I have yet to see a definition on what "fourth wave feminism" is or how it differs from third or second wave feminism.

 

[Bronzeage]

You know, we are four pages into this snowflake bullshit, and I have yet to see a definition on what "fourth wave feminism" is or how it differs from third or second wave feminism.

I ca't find the motivation to discuss the abolition of something, when there's no practical reason to believe abolishing such a thing is technically possible. How would one go about abolishing "fourth wave feminism"?

It's a ridiculous premise from the start and just an invitation to a mass whinefest, predicated on the idea that one's personal problems are all caused by someone else's insensitivity.

 

[Angry Floof]

The only thing feminism hurts is infantile male egos. If you're offended by respect for women or ideologies that don't start wars, then yes, please don't talk to us. Don't date us or engage with us in any way. We're harmless, but please continue to be afraid of us and give us a wide berth. As long as you're not raping, killing, beating, harassing, stalking, or disrespecting us in any way, we do not care what you do. In fact, the idea of incels leaving us alone is a beautiful dream..

They think their attention is so valuable and desired that it will hurt our feelings to not receive it. I say let them think that, as long as they have the courage of conviction to stick to that resolution and not prove themselves disingenuous by continuing their usual abuse of girls and women in retaliation for us not caring if they ignore us.