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Who is feeling the Bern
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Apparently not the people who voluntarily choose to work at them.
untermensche
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Bullshit.
You think people have unlimited opportunity when in fact they have very limited opportunity.
Hard to find some place to work that isn't a petty dictatorship, and hard to survive without a job.
Cheerful Charlie
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http://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-just-opened-most-223000625.html
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) heads into the final stretch before the first nominating contests with a massive lead in New Hampshire, besting Hillary Clinton by a whopping 27-point margin.
That's according to a CNN/WMUR poll released Tuesday evening, which finds the surging Democratic presidential hopeful nabbing 60% support to Clinton's 33%, with former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley far behind at 1%. Last month, Sanders led Clinton by a much smaller margin, 50% to 40%.
Bernzilla on the move.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) heads into the final stretch before the first nominating contests with a massive lead in New Hampshire, besting Hillary Clinton by a whopping 27-point margin.
That's according to a CNN/WMUR poll released Tuesday evening, which finds the surging Democratic presidential hopeful nabbing 60% support to Clinton's 33%, with former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley far behind at 1%. Last month, Sanders led Clinton by a much smaller margin, 50% to 40%.
Bernzilla on the move.
Harry Bosch
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I don't know anyone who is anti-collectivism. I just want it to be voluntary.
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This just isn't true. There are gizzillions of partnerships, co-ops, ESOPs and etc. And there are many people like myself who have been owners in the past and don't want it now. I prefer to be a wage slave and only work 40 hours a week.
lpetrich
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Now I'm getting lots of "everything should be voluntary" whining from the right wing. Does that include things that they don't want to be voluntary? Like a thief claiming that respect for property rights ought to be voluntary.
Harry Bosch
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Probably my most overriding belief is that people should have the ability to decide for themselves as long as they aren't harming anyone else. The thief stealing from someone harms the people that he is stealing from. If I believe that being an owner is overrated and I choose to be a wage slave, how am I harming anyone else?
Cheerful Charlie
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http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...g-in-Nationally-on-Clinton-50-Gains-16-Points
Bernie now closing the gap.
New YouGov national poll has Sanders closing fast. Not sure why this poll was slow to pick up the movement others detected in early January, but it is there now.
Bernie now closing the gap.
New YouGov national poll has Sanders closing fast. Not sure why this poll was slow to pick up the movement others detected in early January, but it is there now.
Cheerful Charlie
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/13/u...s-slipping-in-new-poll.html?ref=politics&_r=1
Andddd.....
As the first nominating contest approaches, Hillary Clinton’s commanding lead nationally in the Democratic primary has largely melted away, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbsnyt-poll-hillary-clintons-lead-over-bernie-sanders-shrinks/
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Over all, 48 percent of Democratic primary voters across the country support Mrs. Clinton, while 41 percent back Mr. Sanders, the poll found. Just a month ago, she led Mr. Sanders by 20 percentage points nationally.
Bernie may well be gaining ground.
Andddd.....
As the first nominating contest approaches, Hillary Clinton’s commanding lead nationally in the Democratic primary has largely melted away, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbsnyt-poll-hillary-clintons-lead-over-bernie-sanders-shrinks/
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Over all, 48 percent of Democratic primary voters across the country support Mrs. Clinton, while 41 percent back Mr. Sanders, the poll found. Just a month ago, she led Mr. Sanders by 20 percentage points nationally.
Bernie may well be gaining ground.
Harry Bosch
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The difference being that Hillary will have the ability to peel away moderates from republicans where Bernie will not. Bernie is pretty close to being topped out.
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I don't think any "conventional wisdom" applies this election year. Going off the cliff seems to be very popular with the herd, one pollster finding that a popular second choice for Trump voters is Sanders (and vice versa). The incoherence and base nonsense of the American voter has reached a low unconceived by the likes of a cynical HL Menchens or PT Barnums.
And as Hillary is the last remaining representative of "normal" politics she, like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and many others will likely be run over. And yep, should she win the nomination, Trump can beat her (just as Bernie could beat any Republican other than Trump or, perhaps, Cruz).
Frumpy, Einstein haired, arm waving and yelling at the camera Bernie Sanders should win the nomination.
untermensche
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Nothing incoherent or dangerous about anything Bernie is proposing.
It is run-of-the-mill Social Democracy.
Giving the people what they want.
It has been working well in places like Germany for decades.
It is only in the insane US political climate that anything Bernie says sounds in any way radical. He's talking about tried and true programs like universal health insurance.
It is run-of-the-mill Social Democracy.
Giving the people what they want.
It has been working well in places like Germany for decades.
It is only in the insane US political climate that anything Bernie says sounds in any way radical. He's talking about tried and true programs like universal health insurance.
Cheerful Charlie
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Recent Polls show Sanders beating Trump handily. Sander's strongest opponent would be Rubio. But nationally at this point, Rubio loses to Trump in GOP primary polling.