NobleSavage
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I'm sure homosexuality is acceptable in some traditions, I'm not a scholar of world religions, but why do the Abrahamic religions in particular have such a grudge against gay people?
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Why has religion predominately been against homosexuality?
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Potoooooooo
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SHort answer, they are a bunch of jerks
I think it has to do with the fact that sex is seen as something you're only supposed to do for reproduction and not for fun and homosexual sex can't do that.
Also because they're jerks.
Also because they're jerks.
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Yup. Having fun is a big no-no for many of the Abrahamic religions. You can get away with penis in vagina sex with your wife, as long as you pretend that it is purely to make babies, and that you are not enjoying it at all.
Everything else is taboo.
Everything else is taboo.
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And taboo is the fuel that makes the thrill. We thrill at the forbidden. So we seek the forbidden. We indulge.
And regularly, we're reminded that it is forbidden and we're doomed unless we can somehow make it up to God or God's representatives.
So we pray and donate money and cleanse our sins.
And our sins are defined in great detail. Making the taboo stronger.
Making the thrill more powerful.
Making the indulgence more enjoyable.
Which makes the guilt even heavier.
Which makes us work harder to cleanse our sins...
It's an eternal money-maker for the Church. And power.
Call someone a sinner, tell him how to sin, yell at him for sinning and he'll pay, he'll vote the way you want, he'll live how you want, he'll take your enemies as his...
ideologyhunter
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An in-group tends to need a shit-list. You could also go the Freudian route and theorize that the obsessions on their shit list (which also, if memory serves, includes adulterers, heretics, men who cut their beards, people with tattoos, witches, people who cohabit with livestock, dudes who see their father naked) hold a secret fascination and temptation for them.)
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1. Conveniently powerless scapegoat.
2. Part of broader theme of sexual control. The idea is that if you can get your followers to accept the idea that the cult can control your sex lives, there's nothing you can't get them to accept.
2. Part of broader theme of sexual control. The idea is that if you can get your followers to accept the idea that the cult can control your sex lives, there's nothing you can't get them to accept.
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I think it's about control. If the religion can actually control your behavior in the bedroom, you're truly a puppet. Accepting limitations on one's own sexual behavior demonstrates that one has drunk the kool-aid. Many religions control many aspects of sexuality, not just homosexual behavior.
I think it's also tied in with the concept of the sacred and purity. Some heterosexuals feel repulsed by the idea that two men are sexually intimate (the yuck factor), this can easily be translated into a command not to do so.
I think it's also tied in with the concept of the sacred and purity. Some heterosexuals feel repulsed by the idea that two men are sexually intimate (the yuck factor), this can easily be translated into a command not to do so.
This has been my primary suspicion for a long time. In an era where homosexuality was less talked about and commonly disparaged, it was easy to play on people's xenophobic tendencies and isolate gay romances as warped, disturbed and a symptom of moral weakness. The Old Testament already had some relevant statements on the subject matter just waiting to be exploited. The great thing about it is over 90% of the population is probably straight, so you can pat all those people on the back for being morally superior and not caving in to committing a sin they were never all that tempted to commit in the first place.
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Please cite one verse in the Holy Bible stating that sex is "only for reproduction" and "not for fun". Just one.
"Be thou always ravished with her breasts" comes to mind contradicting your intolerant, judgmental, and petty remark.
It seems to me that you cannot be a fair and impartial moderator with such extreme bias as you show.
I've always found atheists to be so very *polite* and *tolerant* of the opinions of Christians.
You're very much like homosexuals in that respect. Mentored by haters such as Richard Dawkins, how could you
be otherwise.
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DrZoidberg
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Because religion is primarily about emotional management. So they will spend a lot of energy validating the believers emotions. Xenophobia is normal. It´s normal to think stuff we don´t understand as being icky. Religions validate this reaction, and re-enforces it. The simpler the faith, the more they do this.
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Actually, he's parroting a stance made popular by and among Christains. So your bitch is with the religionists trying to push their agenda along those lines.
Your bigotry blinds you to the actual conversation.
As usual.
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Probably co-opted into the religions as part of social engineering. Tribes are competing with each other and need to reproduce. Not going to happen if the bufties are distracted.
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The fact that the bible prohibits any and all sex outside of marriage pretty much destroys any notion that the pleasure aspect of sex is given any serious consideration; it shows that enjoyment is at best, a distant concern; and not something you're supposed to give primary importance to.
So first you complain about people's attitudes by acting like a sarcastic twat...
...but then somehow you also found room to bitch about homosexuals in a thread specifically dedicated to the question of why christians are so against homosexuality? It's almost like you're *trying* to make a joke out of yourself.
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Who cares why?
They do it, which proves that they are evil. Why they choose to be evil is a lesser concern.
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We are the ones being intolerant, judgmental and petty?
Well, I guess that explains why Christians are the way they are, I suppose.
They do it, which proves that they are evil. Why they choose to be evil is a lesser concern.
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We are the ones being intolerant, judgmental and petty?
Well, I guess that explains why Christians are the way they are, I suppose.
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Why someone chooses to be evil (although I dislike the word and such things are rarely as simple as being a matter of 'choice') is *never* a lesser concern if your interest is at all inclined towards discouraging the spread of evil. You must first understand the cause of a problem before you can begin to prevent it from happening again.