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Why is the GOP such a terrible political party?

What is the major reason that the GOP sucks?


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I voted corporate interests, but it is more than that. The corporations and billionaires know that what they want won't be accepted with most people, so they engage in large scale propaganda to lie to everyone, and dumb them down if they can to make it easier to lie to them. So yes, the GOP is full of dumb people, and those that are easily lead by the propaganda. Then add in the alliance with the religious extremists (more dumb people +con-men). Many of the billionaires don't care about the religious stuff, as long as they get what they want. Thus they have built up a political/religious cult of 'conservatism'.

The problem for them now is the cult is out of control. The true believers started getting more involved than just the voting booth. Some of them started getting elected, actually believing the crazy ideas they were sold on. The voters started pressuring the politicians to hold them to their empty promises, no matter how disastrous. Republicans incited the mob to go after Democrats, only to find the mob is just as happy going after them as well.
 
Some bigotry + some religious indoctrination + some sound conservative principles + some corporate corruption + some tribalism + some "liberals" (regressives) going authoritarian, crybullying, etc. + Democrats having little to offer or believe in.

All of that is part of it. Some of it is actually sound. If you can see nothing at all sound in the arguments of the conservative then you are an extremists and just as deep into your partisan bubble as you see the conservatives as being.

If you think Trump won only because conservatives are deplorable racists, you have blinders on and are leading the Democrats to another loss.

There is no one who voted GOP or Trump because of the relatively recent rise of the authoritarian regressive left. Trump and the GOP are infinitely more authoritarian than that segment of the left, which doesn't even have much influence in the Dem party, as evidenced by the loss of Bernie to Hillary. Thus, any person honesty concerned with authoritarianism would have voted Dem over GOP in every election for the past half century. The GOP is still the anti-liberty party by a long shot.

Also, neither Trump nor the GOP is or has been in any way a champion of actual fiscal responsibility, so claims of that being a basis to support them are also bullshit.

That leaves xenophobic bigotry (which is also what their religion is entirely about) plus corporatism the only features of modern conservatism that the GOP has to offer over the Dems. While their are plenty of reasons to be upset with the Democrats, there are no ethically defensible reasons to favor the GOP, and thus it is unethical motives that underlie their recent electoral successes.

The regressive left is a problem that actual liberals must deal with because they empower the worst elements of the right. However, the alt-right movement is directly rooted in appeal to the ideology of well-known white supremacists regularly touted on Breitbart as intellectual heroes. Anyone using pseudo-libertarian arguments against the regressive left as an excuse to favor the alt-right, Trump, or the GOP is a liar creating a smoke-screen to mask their public embrace of racist and sexist ideologies they have held all along.
 
The regressive left is a problem that actual liberals must deal with
why exactly is it the responsibility of liberals to 'deal with' a completely imaginary delusion cooked up by paranoid alt-right cucks and the media apparatus that exists to feed on them?
the "regressive left" doesn't exist in any meaningful way in which that term is being used, so that's basically like if i said "talk free thought needs to deal with the fact that ron burgandy raped my wife"

my 2 cents:
it comes down to single issue voting (issues like abortion) and a unifying crackpot belief all poor conservative voters have which i realized recently, and which explains their voting entirely.

see, all poor ass knuckle dragging alabama sister-fucking hillbillies know... they don't just believe, they KNOW... that any second now their time is gonna come due and that gas station scratch ticket is going to land them millions, or they're going to find a suit case full of money, or they'll shoot some nigger they saw in the park and a rich man will give them a reward, or jesus his own self will float down from the heavens and deposit several zeroes into their bank account.
they live with the knowledge this is going to happen any second now, so you see they're not actually poverty stricken remnants of an economic fantasy that long since abandoned them, they are actually rich people who just don't have their money yet.
now, when they get their riches, they don't all these clutching desperate leeches (ie them and their neighbors) dragging them down by receiving welfare, so they vote for republicans so that any minute now when they're filthy rich, they can horde all that for their own gold yacht and not have to pay some of it in taxes.
 
Study predicts political beliefs with 83% accuracy

Without tracking down every last study done on the subject, there most certainly is a real, and proven cognitive difference between the way conservatives and liberals think. It's a political spectrum, because if people were not cognitively distinct from each other we would all share the same values and all vote for the same party.

At the most basic level (although there is certainly more nuance) Conservatives tend to appeal to authority and tradition. We're going to love our country because that's what we're supposed to do, we're going listen to our preacher because that's what we're supposed to do, we're going to protect our family over everyone else... and on and on.

The problem with this type of thinking is that appealing to authority is inherently logically flawed. It implies an inability to think critically and with any semblance of dynamism. And so in a world that is constantly changing, with new sets of hurdles to jump over and meet with innovative thought, the Conservative mind-set is inherently backward and flawed. Always has been, always will be, and thinking that is too far to the right does nothing but slow progress down.

That's not to say that everyone on the left is an all-knowing, shining beam of light, but usually they are at least focused on promoting prosperity and human rights for all individuals, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and so on.

Lots of studies of this nature have been performed, showing that conservatives and liberals operate from different moral premises. By each premise, the other premise would be considered immoral. The basic five used in a standard Moral Foundations Questionnaire are harm/care, fairness/reciprocity, ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity. Liberals score high in the first two, conservatives score high in the other three. Based on that alone, if someone wishes to refuse to understand the other, each has a moral ground to describe the other as terrible. Libertarians, by the way, score low on all five because they use a moral premise not included in those five, so their harm/care and fairness/reciprocity scores are like those of conservatives but their ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity score are like those of liberals.

This link will take you to a study of all three groups.

So in short - they have a different moral premise, so that's why they are terrible.
 
The regressive left is a problem that actual liberals must deal with
why exactly is it the responsibility of liberals to 'deal with' a completely imaginary delusion cooked up by paranoid alt-right cucks and the media apparatus that exists to feed on them?
the "regressive left" doesn't exist in any meaningful way in which that term is being used,

The regressive left most certainly does exist and without them, Hillary likely would have beat Trump. They not only helped to fuel turnout for Trump, but they actively and deliberately undermined turnout for Hillary.

They not only draw a great deal of attention, but their disdain for liberal principles like free speech has massively impacted millenial voters. Research shows that about 60% of "left-leaning" Americans under the age of 35 believe that the government should punish speech that is offensive to people in minority groups. That is the kind of very meaningfully dangerous authoritarian anti-liberal notion that epitomizes the regressive left.
 
The regressive left most certainly does exist
gonna have to disagree with you there.
the media narrative of there being a regressive left certainly exists, i'll totally grant you that - but the thing itself simply doesn't, it's a fabrication.

and without them, Hillary likely would have beat Trump.
also have to totally disagree with you here - hillary losing was pretty inevitable and pretty clearly predicated by the last 40 years of voter behavior in this country.
she lost for the same reason gore lost for the same reason carter lost: because human beings are, by and large, so incomprehensibly stupid that they are functionally without higher cognitive function, and a bit because the election system in the US is really fucked up and stupid and you can win without winning.

They not only helped to fuel turnout for Trump, but they actively and deliberately undermined turnout for Hillary.
sorry but this is literally factually inaccurate.

They not only draw a great deal of attention, but their disdain for liberal principles like free speech has massively impacted millenial voters. Research shows that about 60% of "left-leaning" Americans under the age of 35 believe that the government should punish speech that is offensive to people in minority groups. That is the kind of very meaningfully dangerous authoritarian anti-liberal notion that epitomizes the regressive left.
yes, i get it, you can quote the media narrative of the boogeyman - that isn't evidence that it exists.

for example: research shows that a small majority of college attendants believe that colleges should take action against people making *intentionally derogatory or offensive* insults towards minorities.
that is a pretty god damn huge difference from "millennials hate free speech because of something-something leftist something-something boogity boogity"

this appears to be you referring to the construct of the idea of there being some liberal conspiracy, but that's just parroting the lie.
 
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Hillary was a bought politician who had already been demonized by the right for decades, and who ran on self-entitlement, identity politics and "no we can't". Of course she lost, and to Donald Trump! She owes America and the world an apology.
 
No. Those republicans would not have even have made it to the general election.

The electorate wanted someone who was NOT a swamp member from Washington. And, believe or not thats what they still want. Which is why the democrats are doomed.

You are correct though that Hillary was deeply flawed. Even compared to those other buffoons.

I would agree that it looks bleak for democrats. We have to win with substantially more votes. Your side can win with less votes. That isn't fair. But that's the system that we have. I wouldn't get too cocky. Every 10 to 15 years or so, one party takes every major office. Sweeps everything. Then they get complacent, and assume that their power will last forever. We're already seeing major shifts of popularity across the country turning against the republicans.
Don't automatically assume Trump voters are Republican. I voted for Trump but have been a lifetime democrat. In fact, up until very recently (2017) have been giving money to the democratic political action committee. That does not sound like a strong Republican does it?

But I voted for Trump and many others like me did too. I made the best choice that could be made for someone who would represent manufacturing labor in an organized setting . And if the democrats keep trying to destroy middle class jobs, I (we) will not be voting for the democrat next time around either. Even if the republican is a person that is a racist or has other serious character flaws. You never get to vote for someone who represents all of your interests. But in the final analysis, we vote for our own self interest and that is indeed what happened with Trump. The American middle class is past being tired of both of the parties.

That's not being cocky, it is simply telling it like it is.
 
Wow, that was dumb

It actually makes sense - unto itself. It is only "dumb" in that it's dumb to believe that someone like Trump will actually deliver what he promises.
But in that way, it's REALLY dumb. I don't think a lot of people actually expected him to deliver on any of his promises, except the unspoken, constantly implied promise to advance a racist agenda and shield white supremacists from condemnation for their bigotry.
 
The regressive left is a problem that actual liberals must deal with
why exactly is it the responsibility of liberals to 'deal with' a completely imaginary delusion cooked up by paranoid alt-right cucks and the media apparatus that exists to feed on them?
the "regressive left" doesn't exist in any meaningful way in which that term is being used, so that's basically like if i said "talk free thought needs to deal with the fact that ron burgandy raped my wife"

Oh bullshit. Explain to me why a run-of-the-mill conservative, Ben Shapiro, requires 100's of thousands of dollars worth of security to give a run-of-the-mill conservative talk on college campuses.

Or go read about what happened at Evergreen State college.

Or go read the polling results that show a precipitous decline in the support for the First Amendment among the Millennials. And this is truly scary. I think what a lot of people don't appreciate is that authoritarianism isn't about specifics, it's about broader ideas, like the willingness to use state violence to silence political opponents. And yes, this is rooted in academe, and while I think that this generation has been primed in secondary school for this sort of thing, the willingness to commit and support violence is rooted in their tertiary education.

Look, I think people outside the millennial generation can't really understand this, since this is a very generational phenomenon, so it is understandable that people outside the generation wouldn't believe it. It isn't typical of the liberals you interact with.

The problem, however, is that these people are becoming a louder and louder voice on college campuses, and as much as people don't want to admit this, this all bleeds into the surrounding culture. More importantly, these liberals are *outnumbered* and *outgunned*, and when push comes to shove, they are going to start a fight they cannot win. Hopefully, it won't come to that, but it starts with people on the left recognizing this problem.
 
Hillary was a bought politician who had already been demonized by the right for decades, and who ran on self-entitlement, identity politics and "no we can't". Of course she lost, and to Donald Trump! She owes America and the world an apology.

I have to agree here. Hillary was a bad candidate. If there was another Obama equivalent he would have crushed Trump. Hillary had no charisma or sincerity, and no intrinsic understanding of Americans. I'm not convinced she really cared about much other than her legacy either. I don't think it was due to her gender either, if she was a Merkel she'd have won.

Of course, she was still the better option, but she was just not a good candidate for president.
 
I would agree that it looks bleak for democrats. We have to win with substantially more votes. Your side can win with less votes. That isn't fair. But that's the system that we have. I wouldn't get too cocky. Every 10 to 15 years or so, one party takes every major office. Sweeps everything. Then they get complacent, and assume that their power will last forever. We're already seeing major shifts of popularity across the country turning against the republicans.
Don't automatically assume Trump voters are Republican. I voted for Trump but have been a lifetime democrat. In fact, up until very recently (2017) have been giving money to the democratic political action committee. That does not sound like a strong Republican does it?

But I voted for Trump and many others like me did too. I made the best choice that could be made for someone who would represent manufacturing labor in an organized setting . And if the democrats keep trying to destroy middle class jobs, I (we) will not be voting for the democrat next time around either. Even if the republican is a person that is a racist or has other serious character flaws. You never get to vote for someone who represents all of your interests. But in the final analysis, we vote for our own self interest and that is indeed what happened with Trump. The American middle class is past being tired of both of the parties.

That's not being cocky, it is simply telling it like it is.

Quite frankly, if you actually believe that Trump's administration, composed of multimillionaires and billionaires, give two fuck's about organized labor, then you are a rube.

Economic adviser Gary Cohn got a $285 million severance package from Goldman Sachs. That is more than Obama's or Bush's **entire cabinet's net worth**.
 
Study predicts political beliefs with 83% accuracy

Without tracking down every last study done on the subject, there most certainly is a real, and proven cognitive difference between the way conservatives and liberals think. It's a political spectrum, because if people were not cognitively distinct from each other we would all share the same values and all vote for the same party.

At the most basic level (although there is certainly more nuance) Conservatives tend to appeal to authority and tradition. We're going to love our country because that's what we're supposed to do, we're going listen to our preacher because that's what we're supposed to do, we're going to protect our family over everyone else... and on and on.

The problem with this type of thinking is that appealing to authority is inherently logically flawed. It implies an inability to think critically and with any semblance of dynamism. And so in a world that is constantly changing, with new sets of hurdles to jump over and meet with innovative thought, the Conservative mind-set is inherently backward and flawed. Always has been, always will be, and thinking that is too far to the right does nothing but slow progress down.

That's not to say that everyone on the left is an all-knowing, shining beam of light, but usually they are at least focused on promoting prosperity and human rights for all individuals, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and so on.

Lots of studies of this nature have been performed, showing that conservatives and liberals operate from different moral premises. By each premise, the other premise would be considered immoral. The basic five used in a standard Moral Foundations Questionnaire are harm/care, fairness/reciprocity, ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity. Liberals score high in the first two, conservatives score high in the other three. Based on that alone, if someone wishes to refuse to understand the other, each has a moral ground to describe the other as terrible. Libertarians, by the way, score low on all five because they use a moral premise not included in those five, so their harm/care and fairness/reciprocity scores are like those of conservatives but their ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity score are like those of liberals.

This link will take you to a study of all three groups.

So in short - they have a different moral premise, so that's why they are terrible.

In short, conservatives value authoritarianism, obedience, and racial purity, while having no regard for whether people are harmed or treated unequally or unfairly.
Psuedo-libertarians don't care about anyone or anything but their own profit, which they don't want to be impeded by any notions of decency.
 
Oh no, they have different moral premises than you do, that makes them the essence of evil.

According to studies like that, conservatives actually think ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity (which doesn't mean racial purity) are good for society and the people in society.

According to studies like that, libertarians actually think liberty is good for society and the people in society.

That means they don't care about anything or anyone.

I was going to make mocking references to those who are trying to be more fair that they're making the mistake of treating Republicans as if they are actually human. Now I do not need to, you did it in all seriousness.
 
Submitting to authority is the opposite of conscience. Those who do will always serve as a liability and in numbers create a warm and welcoming society for fascists, zealots, and con men.

But doing as you are told is so much easier than working out for yourself what should be done.

And if it turns out badly, you can just say 'I was only obeying orders'. If a course of action you determined for yourself turns out badly, you have nobody but yourself to blame. And nobody likes being responsible for their actions. Much better to let someone else take responsibility.

If they weren't better people than us, then surely they wouldn't have been put in charge.

Surely?

But we all know in reality people in charge are put in charge because they have a character that will let them deceive, cheat, and throw mom off the bus if they have to. This is where I definitely disagree with the conservative mindset. I read in several books that conservatives tend to think you got into a position of wealth or authority because you were better morally and/or spiritually than those who aren't. From what I have observed in my life I do not think it is true. People are placed in power or get wealth because they are willing to lie, cheat, not play by rules when no one is looking or are simply willing to do what their superiors say without question like a robot following programming. I think discipline and hard work did not have as much to do with it as conservatives would like to think.

I also think the reason a lot of people do not want to move into positions of authority in business, start a business, or run for office even on the local level is that they do not want to have to be like that or have to deal with people like that everyday.
 
Submitting to authority is the opposite of conscience. Those who do will always serve as a liability and in numbers create a warm and welcoming society for fascists, zealots, and con men.

But doing as you are told is so much easier than working out for yourself what should be done.

And if it turns out badly, you can just say 'I was only obeying orders'. If a course of action you determined for yourself turns out badly, you have nobody but yourself to blame. And nobody likes being responsible for their actions. Much better to let someone else take responsibility.

If they weren't better people than us, then surely they wouldn't have been put in charge.

Surely?

Absolutely. Right wing authoritarian minds are nothing if not lazy.
 
Oh bullshit. Explain to me why a run-of-the-mill conservative, Ben Shapiro, requires 100's of thousands of dollars worth of security to give a run-of-the-mill conservative talk on college campuses.
for two reasons:
1. absurd blow hard self important jackasses have always been trapped between the duality of their need to feel important and to preach their idiocy into the faces of other people who don't want to listen to it,
and
2. college aged humans have always been passionate about their beliefs in a way that often expresses itself in a way that is not conducive to civilized society and to which somebody always feels inordinately threatened.

ben shapiro feels like he needs to spends hundreds of thousands of dollars, good for him.
someone actually plowed a car into a group of people and killed a woman.

point being that violence is baked into the DNA of a certain worldview, and it sure as shit ain't liberalism.
this attempt to paint misguided youths getting too worked up in their protests against agents of oppression as some kind of burgeoning violent social upheaval is nothing more than a desperate attempt to deflect from the fact that the ideology these kids are opposing is actively killing people left and right and degrading the cultural, technological, and economic development of our species.

Or go read about what happened at Evergreen State college.
so what you're saying is that free speech only matters when it's something you morally agree with?

Or go read the polling results that show a precipitous decline in the support for the First Amendment among the Millennials. And this is truly scary.
it's also truly false, but don't let that get in the way of a good knicker twisting.

I think what a lot of people don't appreciate is that authoritarianism isn't about specifics, it's about broader ideas, like the willingness to use state violence to silence political opponents. And yes, this is rooted in academe, and while I think that this generation has been primed in secondary school for this sort of thing, the willingness to commit and support violence is rooted in their tertiary education.
given the long and sordid history of ring wing violence in the US this is just more of the same idiotic blame-others-for-shit-you-did rhetoric that's been stewing around in the cultural zeitgeist for the last 30 years.

this is exactly like homophobia.
homophobia is the condition of men being terrified that another man is going to treat them the same way that they treat women.
"the regressive left" is just a delusion concocted by the right wing to justified being scared that someone might do unto them as they've been doing unto others for the last 200 years.

Look, I think people outside the millennial generation can't really understand this, since this is a very generational phenomenon, so it is understandable that people outside the generation wouldn't believe it. It isn't typical of the liberals you interact with.
those damn kids these days!
the children now love luxury. they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.

it's a brand new thing that is only just happening now! panic! everybody panic!

The problem, however, is that these people are becoming a louder and louder voice on college campuses, and as much as people don't want to admit this, this all bleeds into the surrounding culture. More importantly, these liberals are *outnumbered* and *outgunned*, and when push comes to shove, they are going to start a fight they cannot win. Hopefully, it won't come to that, but it starts with people on the left recognizing this problem.
you seem to see a concerted effort to shift the culture away from racist, sexism, oppression, and cultural regression as an attempt to start a military conflict.
there's nothing i could really say to that kind of nonsensical thinking.
 
Wow, that was dumb

It actually makes sense - unto itself. It is only "dumb" in that it's dumb to believe that someone like Trump will actually deliver what he promises.
But in that way, it's REALLY dumb. I don't think a lot of people actually expected him to deliver on any of his promises, except the unspoken, constantly implied promise to advance a racist agenda and shield white supremacists from condemnation for their bigotry.

He successfully took down TPP during his first few days in office. That is more than enough to prove delivery of a promise that would never have materialized under anyone else.

So NOT dumb.
 
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