Why not Male Lives Matter?

[Jolly_Penguin]

So you do share the concern in the OP over men being killed by police far more often than women are. Good to hear. Will you join the OP in doing something about it?

You problem isn't with me, your problem is with the OTHER MALES doing to the shooting and killing.

Oh ok then. BLM's problem isn't with me then. It is with white people and other black people killing black people. So that means I shouldn't care and I should oppose BLM?

What exactly is the OP doing about anything?

To a much lesser extent the same thing BLM is. Calling attention to a discrepancy. Only writing the OP didn't block highway traffic or delay an apology by police for abuse to homosexuals, and wasn't written in way to make the writer look like a bigot himself.

And as I wrote above any "Male Lives Matter" movement would most definitely be seen as misogynist and would be very quickly met by a "Female Lives Matter" or "All Lives Matter" retort.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

The kind of racism I have personally been victim of from black people (male and female), the prevalence of that racism, and the reaction of other black people to that racism has very clearly, with no shadow of a doubt at all, indicated to me that, without question, "black lives matter" is certainly a continuation of the long-standing form of "reverse racism" that is widely considered "OK" by that community.

How hard would it have been for the slogan to be "Black Lives Matter Too" or "BLM2".

It is clearly intentionally exclusive.

As is the case for many things like this, it is only intentionally exclusive when it suits them. Call them on it and they will turn around and try to tell you that they don't mean it to be exclusive, then after a while you will hear them use it as exclusive again. Reminds me of when people redefine what "Racist" means so as to exclude black people, insisting that it means institutional racial discrimination instead of just racial discrimination, and then pretend they are not doing so to (racistly) reserve the shame factor of the word exclusively to white people.

 

[PyramidHead]

First of all, questions such as these are predicated on a false premise, namely that the phrase "black lives matter" actually means "ONLY black lives matter". It doesn't. Implicit in the why not of the OP is the requirement that BLM should ensure that every group with a legitimate grievance is encompassed by their motto. This requirement does not seem to extend to all other groups who claim they are discriminated against. For instance, I've never heard of anybody ask: "why not have a HUMAN anti-defamation league?" For some reason, the "_____ lives matter" meme has provoked a reaction that interprets it as an exclusionary statement, rather than a plea for inclusion.

I'd really like to be able to agree with you on this point... which is to say, I wish that were true.

I do not believe it is.

The kind of racism I have personally been victim of from black people (male and female), the prevalence of that racism, and the reaction of other black people to that racism has very clearly, with no shadow of a doubt at all, indicated to me that, without question, "black lives matter" is certainly a continuation of the long-standing form of "reverse racism" that is widely considered "OK" by that community.

How hard would it have been for the slogan to be "Black Lives Matter Too" or "BLM2".

It is clearly intentionally exclusive.

Please tell me with a straight face that if a slogan called "ATHEISTS HAVE MORALS" popped up on the internet one day, you'd be asking them to clarify whether they meant only atheists have morals. After all, I'm sure there are plenty of atheists who are immoral, and plenty of moral theists. Maybe they should have called themselves "SOME ATHEISTS HAVE MORALS TOO". But we all know you wouldn't be so concerned about the literal meaning of that particular meme, because you only give people the benefit of the doubt when they belong to the same in-group as you.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I will bite. Many theists do lack morals, replacing them with obedience. So I actually would read that as atheists being morally superior (on average). We are.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

You problem isn't with me, your problem is with the OTHER MALES doing to the shooting and killing.

Oh ok then. BLM's problem isn't with me then.

Did you think it was? WOW! Now that is some kind of vanity. How many people in the BLM movement even know you?

It is with white people and other black people killing black people.

The problem is with a system that allows for the killing of black folk with no one being called to account for the killing.

So that means I shouldn't care

no.

and I should oppose BLM?

You should do what you feel you should do. Just know that when you express an opinion, you just might get a reaction you won't like and will hurt your feelings.

What exactly is the OP doing about anything?

To a much lesser extent the same thing BLM is. Calling attention to a discrepancy.

OK Attention called, now what?

Only writing the OP didn't block highway traffic or delay an apology by police for abuse to homosexuals, and wasn't written in way to make the writer look like a bigot himself.

So the injustice goes on. The OP doesn't stop anything or call to form a movement to stop anything.

And as I wrote above any "Male Lives Matter" movement would most definitely be seen as misogynist and would be very quickly met by a "Female Lives Matter" or "All Lives Matter" retort.

So?

If all it takes is a retort to shut down your plea for justice, it was't much of a plea.

 

[tantric]

Male lives are expendable.

biologically speaking, very true

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

OK Attention called, now what?

What are you demanding? Do you expect the same from everybody who mentions that they agree with BLM's issues and then just talk and do nothing about it? Or are people allowed to point out an issue and then not dedicate themselves to fixing it? Pointing it out alone is at least something.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

OK Attention called, now what?

What are you demanding?

That is question, not a demand. See the question mark?

Do you expect the same from everybody who mentions that they agree with BLM's issues and then just talk and do nothing about it?

Do i expect people who regularly talk about how much they care about an injustice to actually do something about it? If they don't want to be called on their bullshit, then yes.

Or are people allowed to point out an issue and then not dedicate themselves to fixing it?

No one is asking you to wear sackcloth and ashes, but it is hard to take someone seriously when they complain and do nothing.

Pointing it out alone is at least something.

Emphasis on least.

 

[Mumbles]

If all it takes is a retort to shut down your plea for justice, it was't much of a plea.

A very good point.

"Well, I'd be called misogynistic if I started 'Male Lives Matter'." "If I started 'White Lives Matter', I'd be called a racist."

Newsflash - Black Lives Matter has been called racist, homophobic (especially bizarre given their emphasis on LGBT black people), terrorists, cop-killers, Soros puppets, and far more. They've been beaten, shot with rubber bullets, tear gassed, and arrested, all without cause. And they haven't just said "Here's a problem.", they've also said "Here's a list of solutions we've come up with." And other groups, such as Campaign Zero, have done much the same.

And actually, I can understand not becoming an activist. I'm not an activist at all. But at least, don't make excuses like "I'll be called a bad name".