Why Trump seems preferable to Hillary Clinton

[fast]

Panderer? He's the one that's most apt to speak his mind, and you're the one looking at this from a moral perspective and acting like he's intentionally holding back on that front. How about this, if he felt we could come out ahead by going to war, and if doing so was wrong, he'd consider it a win. Why? Because his train of thought is on winning, not being sidetracked with minor ethical concerns.

Yes massive panderer.

Panderer to the bigoted and the prejudiced and the hateful.

Do you honestly think some billionaire gives a shit about Mexican workers? Is it possible to be so naive?

Listening to you talk, you make it sound like he's going to be bad for the US. You of all people here think America isn't great, and he's been telling everyone he's going to make America great again. He's all about winning, and he says he can make great trade deals and bring jobs back; plus, he's gonna build a great big ole wall, and we don't even have to pay for it. You aren't excited for us?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Funny ..how no one here could comment on whether Hillary was preferable?

Maybe it was too difficult?

I prefer sane over insane. Hillary will bomb shit because she's ok with innocent people dying in order for her to achieve her geopolitical goals. Trump will bomb shit because someone insulted him or to prove a point.

 

[untermensche]

Yes massive panderer.

Panderer to the bigoted and the prejudiced and the hateful.

Do you honestly think some billionaire gives a shit about Mexican workers? Is it possible to be so naive?

Listening to you talk, you make it sound like he's going to be bad for the US. You of all people here think America isn't great, and he's been telling everyone he's going to make America great again. He's all about winning, and he says he can make great trade deals and bring jobs back; plus, he's gonna build a great big ole wall, and we don't even have to pay for it. You aren't excited for us?

I think America as an idea is fine but the actions of the US government are too often criminal.

But crime on such a massive scale seems to not bother some.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Funny ..how no one here could comment on whether Hillary was preferable?

Maybe it was too difficult?

It wasn't too difficult. I'll take a chance and the say the following: HRC is favorable 97.8% of the time. And it really isn't close.

 

[untermensche]

Funny ..how no one here could comment on whether Hillary was preferable?

Maybe it was too difficult?

Where you been?

You only get two choices.

If one is utterly repellent and lost your vote with his first mention of a wall, that only leaves one alternative.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Funny ..how no one here could comment on whether Hillary was preferable?

Maybe it was too difficult?

Funny how your OP was debunked in one post and you ignored it. Your basis that Trump is right on was completely wrong. Funny shit!

 

[Will Wiley]

Funny ..how no one here could comment on whether Hillary was preferable?

Maybe it was too difficult?

Where you been?

You only get two choices.

If one is utterly repellent and lost your vote with his first mention of a wall, that only leaves one alternative.

Well I guess we will see more children incinerated by neocons.

 

[Will Wiley]

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[J842P]

Funny how your OP was debunked in one post and you ignored it. Your basis that Trump is right on was completely wrong. Funny shit!

One can't expect Americans to think rationally about issues putting America in such a poor light. This forum is dominated by Americans who resist right to the end, who think Hillary Clintons foreign policy is better than Trumps.
So you guys for the most part pat yourselves on the back , award each other little stars, but basically can't bring yourselves, when push comes to shove, to abandon Hillary Clinton when compared to someone who for the most part is clearly less of a warmonger.
From the time you can walk and talk you are fed bullshit about America and its war machine and how righteous you are, and it seems on some stratum it sinks in very deep. Though you might not see it

War! War! War!

Trump will be awful, but better than a neocon

Have you considered that people merely disagree that Trump will be less of a warmonger than Clinton?

I actually think it's hard to say.

I think you are giving Trump too much credit, and there are many indications that his foreign policy will be either reckless or driven by a need to appease the Republican base, which is reflexively pro-war (even more so than the average American). He is currently pandering to that base by saying that a very unpopular war was a stupid idea. But is he saying we should stop the drone strikes? He has actually claimed to want to escalate the use of targeted assassinations. What you really should consider, however, is how he would respond to provocation. Consider the current situation with ISIS. I think if he had been president, then likely there would have been a much more aggressive American response.

George Bush himself campaigned as a non-interventionist. And yet, in office those peaceful proclivities seemed to have changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsvf1HU0KHM

So it comes down to who you think is more likely to commit to war: a Trump Republican administration, or a Clinton Democratic administration. I could argue for either perspective, I think.

I think what you are seeing here among liberals here is an extreme opposition to Trump rather than a support for Hillary.

 

[repoman]

Bad news, guys!!!

NOTICE THE FIVE THINGS THAT IMMEDIATELY OCCURRED AFTER DONALD TRUMP BECAME THE PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE
1. He was congratulated by the Republican Jewish Coalition for his success:
http://www.rjchq.org/rjc_statement_on_donald_trump
2. He officially received the support of Jewish Zionist billionaire Sheldon Adelson:
http://www.jta.org/2016/05/06/news-opinion/politics/adelson-backs-trump-says-hell-be-good-for-israel
3. He formally condemned anti-Semitism and denounced David Duke for the third time:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...ect-david-dukes-remarks-on-jewish-extremists/
4. He named a Wall Street / Hollywood Jewish banker as his national finance chairman:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...dge-fund-manager-as-national-finance-chairman
5. He instructed his Jewish deputy campaign manager Michael Glassner to plan the Republican convention:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-michael-glassner-convention-222878

However,

 

[untermensche]

Where you been?

You only get two choices.

If one is utterly repellent and lost your vote with his first mention of a wall, that only leaves one alternative.

Well I guess we will see more children incinerated by neocons.

We will see sane Supreme Court nominees.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Where you been?

You only get two choices.

If one is utterly repellent and lost your vote with his first mention of a wall, that only leaves one alternative.

Well I guess we will see more children incinerated by neocons.

I'm baffled that you would put so much faith in Trump's current view. How often does he change his mind? He's completely erratic and non-grounded in reality. He waffles more that any legitimate candidate in recent history. And yet you trust that his current opinion to not send out US troops won't change tomorrow? What happens when his secretary of defense Sarah Palin pushes him to intercede in god knows where?

Sorry, but I'd far rather place my trust in a politician who has a grasp of the facts with a good cabinet.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Bad news, guys!!!

NOTICE THE FIVE THINGS THAT IMMEDIATELY OCCURRED AFTER DONALD TRUMP BECAME THE PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE
1. He was congratulated by the Republican Jewish Coalition for his success:
http://www.rjchq.org/rjc_statement_on_donald_trump
2. He officially received the support of Jewish Zionist billionaire Sheldon Adelson:
http://www.jta.org/2016/05/06/news-opinion/politics/adelson-backs-trump-says-hell-be-good-for-israel
3. He formally condemned anti-Semitism and denounced David Duke for the third time:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...ect-david-dukes-remarks-on-jewish-extremists/
4. He named a Wall Street / Hollywood Jewish banker as his national finance chairman:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...dge-fund-manager-as-national-finance-chairman
5. He instructed his Jewish deputy campaign manager Michael Glassner to plan the Republican convention:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-michael-glassner-convention-222878

However,

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Dude: it's not like you to post so an offensive post.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well I guess we will see more children incinerated by neocons.

I'm baffled that you would put so much faith in Trump's current view.

Simple, he doesn't know or doesn't care to know what he is talking about. A fast web search debunks the OP, but he doesn't change his perspective.

 

[RVonse]

From the debate in December 2015

In my opinion, we’ve spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that frankly, if they were there and if we could’ve spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems; our airports and all of the other problems we’ve had, we would’ve been a lot better off. I can tell you that right now.

We have done a tremendous disservice, not only to Middle East, we’ve done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have (been) wiped away, and for what? It’s not like we had victory.

It’s a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized. A total and complete mess. I wish we had the $4 trillion or $5 trillion. I wish it were spent right here in the United States, on our schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart.

He makes perfect sense. Perfect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/u...idential-debate.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

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Trump says he will get rid of TPP and other NAFTA rigged trade deals. Just his mere mentioning of this has caused US Steel stock to triple in price since January 2016. If he defeats Hillary, it is predicted that the US steel industry will prosper again and stock prices even higher. He is on the side of industry.

 

[repoman]

Dude: it's not like you to post so an offensive post.

Well, actually the only thing that is serious about the post are the first five numbered facts. The rest is just 4chan fuckery.

However, it does show that he was willing to play the rubes and be tough verbally against Israel (such as that Israel will have to pay for some of our support and that Palestinians will have to be treated more fairly) to secure that voting base. There are MANY other things he has played the rubes about that he will make obvious later.

I am not saying it is dumb to be against excessive amount of Jewish or Israeli influence in our government (that is actually a sensible stand), but it is dumb to think Trump will act that way.

Oh, and many who will rail against my pointing out excessive Jewish influence in our government rail against excessive white influence. Take the beam out of your own eye.

Should we have a reverse affirmative action to get Jewish numbers in government positions in line with their population in the U.S.? If not, then affirmative action should be ended as a whole.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

If I lived in the USA, I would vote Trump over Hillary, and I am a pretty far left liberal. Trump will shake things up. Hillary is the status quo, that isn't working. Trump will probably just have one term in office and the presidency after him may look quite different, and more open to those outside the political establishment. I would have preferred Bernie Sanders, and I'd take Hillary over Ted Cruz, but I'd take Trump over Hillary. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only liberal thinking that way.

 

[Godless Raven]

Yes massive panderer.

Panderer to the bigoted and the prejudiced and the hateful.

Do you honestly think some billionaire gives a shit about Mexican workers? Is it possible to be so naive?

Listening to you talk, you make it sound like he's going to be bad for the US. You of all people here think America isn't great, and he's been telling everyone he's going to make America great again. He's all about winning, and he says he can make great trade deals and bring jobs back; plus, he's gonna build a great big ole wall, and we don't even have to pay for it. You aren't excited for us?

You sound like you are describing a pre-HIV announcement Charlie Sheen on his "winning" tour, not Donald Drumpf, an allegedly serious candidate for POTUS.

 

[laughing dog]

Where you been?

You only get two choices.

If one is utterly repellent and lost your vote with his first mention of a wall, that only leaves one alternative.

Well I guess we will see more children incinerated by neocons.

Since Trump has publicly advocated the killing of the families of terrorists, you are fine with more civilians (including children) being killed as long as it is not done for neocon reasons. Brilliant.

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If I lived in the USA, I would vote Trump over Hillary, and I am a pretty far left liberal. Trump will shake things up. Hillary is the status quo, that isn't working. Trump will probably just have one term in office and the presidency after him may look quite different, and more open to those outside the political establishment. I would have preferred Bernie Sanders, and I'd take Hillary over Ted Cruz, but I'd take Trump over Hillary. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only liberal thinking that way.

That does not involve thought.

 

[Godless Raven]

If I lived in the USA, I would vote Trump over Hillary, and I am a pretty far left liberal. Trump will shake things up. Hillary is the status quo, that isn't working. Trump will probably just have one term in office and the presidency after him may look quite different, and more open to those outside the political establishment. I would have preferred Bernie Sanders, and I'd take Hillary over Ted Cruz, but I'd take Trump over Hillary. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only liberal thinking that way.

I'd say you are heavily in the minority since most liberals wouldn't vote for someone whose against minorities, woman's right to make decisions with their own bodies (without criminal prosecution, let alone without a creeper like Donald telling them what they should do), the nomination of a bunch of extreme right judges and SCOTUS, the forced deportation and separation of families, repeal health care finally covering millions that were uncovered with no replacement plan for those people, closing down immigration to a religion, and on and on.

Nothing says liberalism like an uber arrogant billionaire that literally is telling people he doesn't give a shit about the poor, minorities or women...especially one running on his success as a businessman that's burned more businesses to the ground than the entire history of arson.