Why we hate you & why we fight you.

[DrZoidberg]

Can we please not talk about Palestine in this thread. This thread is about ISIS = something different

do you want to talk about why did white people killed iraqis?

Yes. That would be more appropriate

 

[DrZoidberg]

Yeah, even though Lincoln didn't fight the war at first with the goal to end slavery, the South did start the war to keep slavery.

And that's the relevance to the thread. When you want to find out why ISIS is doing things, you can

A) Ask ISIS.
B) Ask someone else.

A) is generally the better option. While it's true that both sides may have political reasons to hide their real rationales, ISIS is out there trying to actively recruit people. In order to do so, they are saying "This is who we are. Come join up if you like what we're saying". To suggest that what they're saying isn't intrinsically tied to their primary motivations is like saying that PETA is really about raising the minimum wage and all that animal rights stuff is just a cover.

Sometimes propaganda from dictatorships at war isn't perfectly honest.

"The first casualty of war is the truth"
-Aeschylus

 

[iolo]

How's the beam in your own eye getting on, Saintly One? If the Nazis in 'Israel' were tried and hanged it would certainly cut down the need for the Resistance.

Would it? Your views seem very Chomskyesque. Perhaps you could go into further detail. Maybe even without the irony of calling Jews Nazis.

I never call Jews Nazis, as you know. The Nazis and the Zionists grew together in racist German nationalism, both hated traditional Jewry, and both tried to set up a racist Volk to replace whatever was good and decent in their people. Jabotinski, the founder of the political movement that gave rise to the current rfacist occupation regime in Palestine deeply admired Mussolini and called his headquarters the Brown House, in imitation of Hitler's in Munich. The terrorists following his model joined the Nazis is killing British troops who fought Hitler, but added the refinement of booby-trapping their bodies, Want more, Goebbels?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

And that's the relevance to the thread. When you want to find out why ISIS is doing things, you can

A) Ask ISIS.
B) Ask someone else.

A) is generally the better option. While it's true that both sides may have political reasons to hide their real rationales, ISIS is out there trying to actively recruit people. In order to do so, they are saying "This is who we are. Come join up if you like what we're saying". To suggest that what they're saying isn't intrinsically tied to their primary motivations is like saying that PETA is really about raising the minimum wage and all that animal rights stuff is just a cover.

Sometimes propaganda from dictatorships at war isn't perfectly honest.

"The first casualty of war is the truth"
-Aeschylus

Yes, I said that. How exactly would that apply to ISIS though?

If the leaders of PETA's true goal is to raise the minimum wage, how would talking about animal rights all the time help them to achieve that? If their recruiting is successful and you then have thousands of people working for PETA in order to promote animal rights but the top 1% of PETA not caring about that, is it not then actually an animal rights organization despite it's leadership only lying about their support for the issue?

It's the same with ISIS. Say, for the sake of argument, that it's leaders are atheists who are just making shit up in order get some cash and women. They still have thousands of members who joined up specifically because they were told the organization was fighting for Islamic causes. Those members doing all the stuff for ISIS for the sake of Islam make it an organization fighting for Islamic causes, no matter how little the leadership cares about that.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Sometimes propaganda from dictatorships at war isn't perfectly honest.

"The first casualty of war is the truth"
-Aeschylus

Yes, I said that. How exactly would that apply to ISIS though?

If the leaders of PETA's true goal is to raise the minimum wage, how would talking about animal rights all the time help them to achieve that? If their recruiting is successful and you then have thousands of people working for PETA in order to promote animal rights but the top 1% of PETA not caring about that, is it not then actually an animal rights organization despite it's leadership only lying about their support for the issue?

It's the same with ISIS. Say, for the sake of argument, that it's leaders are atheists who are just making shit up in order get some cash and women. They still have thousands of members who joined up specifically because they were told the organization was fighting for Islamic causes. Those members doing all the stuff for ISIS for the sake of Islam make it an organization fighting for Islamic causes, no matter how little the leadership cares about that.

In fact their mainly at war with Muslims and other Islamic fighters. Certainly they go for cash and women.

 

[whichphilosophy]

And that's the relevance to the thread. When you want to find out why ISIS is doing things, you can

A) Ask ISIS.
B) Ask someone else.

A) is generally the better option. While it's true that both sides may have political reasons to hide their real rationales, ISIS is out there trying to actively recruit people. In order to do so, they are saying "This is who we are. Come join up if you like what we're saying". To suggest that what they're saying isn't intrinsically tied to their primary motivations is like saying that PETA is really about raising the minimum wage and all that animal rights stuff is just a cover.

Sometimes propaganda from dictatorships at war isn't perfectly honest.

"The first casualty of war is the truth"
-Aeschylus

That's a good example since the US that casualty was already inflicted before the war started.
Year's earlier Goebbels didn't have a problem with worrying about that.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I try to never ignore replies on this forum. Unfortunately, Syed, I've watched you long enough on here to know better than to waste any of my time in reply to anything you post. If you ever decide to actually engage in discussion here, real discussion, then use some original thought that shows some kind light is on in there somewhere, not another programmed robotic response from your programming.

as long jews bulldozed palestisnian homes terrorism will NOT STOP

It's human nature for a home owner to get angry when someone bulldozes his home or turns up with Israeli issued title deeds to say the own the place. This is a problem in the peace process. Even if this gets settled some Arab states may still be hostile to Israel.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Yes, I said that. How exactly would that apply to ISIS though?

If the leaders of PETA's true goal is to raise the minimum wage, how would talking about animal rights all the time help them to achieve that? If their recruiting is successful and you then have thousands of people working for PETA in order to promote animal rights but the top 1% of PETA not caring about that, is it not then actually an animal rights organization despite it's leadership only lying about their support for the issue?

It's the same with ISIS. Say, for the sake of argument, that it's leaders are atheists who are just making shit up in order get some cash and women. They still have thousands of members who joined up specifically because they were told the organization was fighting for Islamic causes. Those members doing all the stuff for ISIS for the sake of Islam make it an organization fighting for Islamic causes, no matter how little the leadership cares about that.

In fact their mainly at war with Muslims and other Islamic fighters. Certainly they go for cash and women.

So what? That doesn't mean that it's not an Islamic fight anymore than the Catholics fighting the Protestants made the fight somehow non-Christian.

 

[Syed]

as long jews bulldozed palestisnian homes terrorism will NOT STOP

It's human nature for a home owner to get angry when someone bulldozes his home or turns up with Israeli issued title deeds to say the own the place. This is a problem in the peace process. Even if this gets settled some Arab states may still be hostile to Israel.

thats mean terrorism will NOT STOP

 

[Syed]

do you want to talk about why did white people killed iraqis?

Yes. That would be more appropriate

so why did white people killed innocent iraqis?

 

[Syed]

their interpretation of islam TRUE OR FALSE islam?

Doesn't matter if it's true or false. And it certainly doesn't matter whether I think ir's true or false. It only matters that they think it's true.

do you believe isis following true islam?

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

Doesn't matter if it's true or false. And it certainly doesn't matter whether I think ir's true or false. It only matters that they think it's true.

do you believe isis following true islam?

As I said, it doesn't matter what I think. They think it's the "true" Islam, and act accordingly. But, if you must know, I don't think there is such a thing as the "true" Islam. Not only because I think it's all a bunch of bullshit, but because it's so vague and open to interpretation to start with.

 

[Syed]

do you believe isis following true islam?

As I said, it doesn't matter what I think. They think it's the "true" Islam, and act accordingly. But, if you must know, I don't think there is such a thing as the "true" Islam. Not only because I think it's all a bunch of bullshit, but because it's so vague and open to interpretation to start with.

if they following TRUE islam, soon ALL muslims will join them and terrorism will not stop, true islam say TO kill all non muslims RIGHT?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

As I said, it doesn't matter what I think. They think it's the "true" Islam, and act accordingly. But, if you must know, I don't think there is such a thing as the "true" Islam. Not only because I think it's all a bunch of bullshit, but because it's so vague and open to interpretation to start with.

if they following TRUE islam, soon ALL muslims will join them and terrorism will not stop, true islam say TO kill all non muslims RIGHT?

That makes no sense. Just because they have a true interpretation of Islam doesn't mean that other interpretations of Islam are therefore false. You can have multiple valid interpretations of a religion.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

As I said, it doesn't matter what I think. They think it's the "true" Islam, and act accordingly. But, if you must know, I don't think there is such a thing as the "true" Islam. Not only because I think it's all a bunch of bullshit, but because it's so vague and open to interpretation to start with.

if they following TRUE islam, soon ALL muslims will join them and terrorism will not stop

No, people don't follow things because they are "true". They follow things because they believe they are true. Doesn't matter if it really is "true" or not.

true islam say TO kill all non muslims RIGHT?

Says who? Like I said, I don't believe there is such a thing as "true" Islam, only varying interpretations of koran/hadith/sunna, etc. So you're asking the wrong person if you want a definition of "true" Islam.

 

[braces_for_impact]

There's a lot if Muslims that believe whoever is following the "true" version of Islam will be the one that establishes and maintains the caliphate.

 

[skepticalbip]

Can we please not talk about Palestine in this thread. This thread is about ISIS = something different

do you want to talk about why did white people killed iraqis?

According to Muslim thought, they did it because it was the will of Allah. Nothing happens except by the will of Allah.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Yes. That would be more appropriate

so why did white people killed innocent iraqis?

Because freedom? Didn't really pan out that way. But that was the plan.

 

[Syed]

do you want to talk about why did white people killed iraqis?

According to Muslim thought, they did it because it was the will of Allah. Nothing happens except by the will of Allah.

allah also said evil doer will pay for their crime in this world and hereafter

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so why did white people killed innocent iraqis?

Because freedom? Didn't really pan out that way. But that was the plan.

you killed iraqi for whose freedom?

 

[iolo]

Ranting on about other people's religions has always seemed to me a huge waste of time - it is hard enough to argue about the one you were brought up in, and displaying your ignorance of and hatred of other people's is hugely counter-productive. Other than expressing spite, what do those always running down what they think is 'Islam' think is useful about whsat they are doing?