I went to a UK public school (for US residents, this is what you call a private school). Standards were very high. We had a teacher exchange with an inner-city comprehensive. The results were interesting. The teacher we got was extremely good. He held the attention well, he covered the material in a manner both interesting and comprehensive. However, he ran out material about 30 mins through a 40 minute class. Why? Because his lesson plans were from his old school, where lessons were a hour long, but he had to constantly stop to keep order. We didn't interrupt him, the class was just over half the size of his usual one, and he didn't have to do anything to keep us in our seats and focused on the class. As he put it 'I've got a lot more time to teach the same course. I can afford to take more questions and take time to help out individuals. I don't think you guys are any smarter than my usual students, but there's so much more we can do here.'
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Yeah, that's an example of what I'm talking about--schools reflect the average of the students they get. The more disruptive students they get the less actual learning goes on even if some of the students want to learn.
Except that you've ignored the class size, the financial status of the attendees and the culture of the school, and focused on blaming individual students for being disruptive.
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Loren always casts the blame for failure on 'bad' individuals...you know, the kind that are not like him. You get a whole class full of those ragamuffins, then everything goes to hell. He is blind to those other factors you mentioned. We are all equal...no matter what our childhood was like. Well it just ain't like that.Those students who "want to learn" are merely luckier than most of the ragamuffins. Loren really doesn't know what it takes to "want to learn." Of course, if the students don't want to learn, that is the starting point...turning that around...not just babbling education stuff in an under-funded, under-maintained classroom full of underfed, under-parented, kids. There is the question of how this come to be...bad individual parents. Loren will explain this to you too. You will get the idea there are just some inferior people in the world...people who deserve less. Like union teachers who work in these places.
The issue was class time spent on things other than teaching. Financial status has nothing to do with that.
If class size were the cause look what happens: Figure half as much time is lost due to disruptions as the class is half the size.
x+y = 40
2x+y = 60
Thus x = 20, y = 20--he was losing 2/3 of the classtime to disruptions, now he's losing half. That's not what you said, though. Thus class size isn't the cause.
I do agree the culture of the school matters--but that shows up in student behavior. You can't treat it as a separate factor.