Woman Is Fired After Video Shows Her Blocking a Black Man From His Condo

[Worldtraveller]

You don't think there's any merit in making people aware of racial incidents they might otherwise not know of?

I would be curious to know if these incidents are on the rise, or is reporting of these incidents on the rise? Is there something that makes 'dog bites man' sort of stories from the last 50 years suddenly something the media pays attention to?

Maybe that'll be the positive legacy of Trump's presidency...blatant racism became 'news' again.

Well, if pretty much every minority is saying that this sort of thing has been happening all of their lives but people just weren't paying attention to it, then you may want to conclude that it's been going on for a while now, but people just weren't paying attention to it before.

It's become more socially acceptable to express outrage over it now, as opposed to just moving past it as being part of the life of being a minority, and others are more willing to listen to it now as opposed to remembering that they were busy with something else in another room if these incidents were ever brought up.

At the same time, however, overt racism has also become more socially acceptable amongst certain groups due to the US government's support and encouragement of these types of things. With both sides being more willing to be open about where they stand on these types of scenarios, they get talked about more often.

I think, also, that this is one of the few societal benefits we're seeing from the proliferation of cell phone cameras and social media. Ten years ago, who would this guy have complained to? No one that could have mattered and made a difference. Now there's ways of sharing, so although none of individually wield a lot of social or political power, the group dynamic can help overcome that. Add to the fact that companies are very aware of this and most want to avoid bad publicity, and you've got a chance for at least a modicum of social justice.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think, also, that this is one of the few societal benefits we're seeing from the proliferation of cell phone cameras and social media. Ten years ago, who would this guy have complained to? No one that could have mattered and made a difference. Now there's ways of sharing, so although none of individually wield a lot of social or political power, the group dynamic can help overcome that. Add to the fact that companies are very aware of this and most want to avoid bad publicity, and you've got a chance for at least a modicum of social justice.

Very true. The cops are correct that this doesn't really rise to the level of a criminal offense, so there's not a lot they can do and a decade ago, there's really no way that any one in the woman's circle would have ever heard about it. Now there can at least be some consequences for her actions - hurray for the surveillance society!

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

You don't think there's any merit in making people aware of racial incidents they might otherwise not know of?

I would be curious to know if these incidents are on the rise, or is reporting of these incidents on the rise? Is there something that makes 'dog bites man' sort of stories from the last 50 years suddenly something the media pays attention to?

Maybe that'll be the positive legacy of Trump's presidency...blatant racism became 'news' again.

Those are fair questions. My guess, and that's all it is, would "a mixture of both". The penetration of recording devices means more of these will be reported and seen, but it seems that there's been some emboldening going on with Trump's ascent to power and apparent approval of even the more odious forms of bigotry.

 

[southernhybrid]

My black friends tell me that this stuff didn't happen until Trump was elected. And, I'm getting tired of apologizing to them for the actions of these white assholes. Seriously though, I sometimes feel embarrassed being white.

I realize the police have harassed black people for a long time, but I don't think things like what this woman did were very common before Trump. Most racists used to hold their hatred at bay, but Trump has enabled them to let the hate hang out for everyone to see. It's disgusting.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm not certain what these anecdotes (gossip) serve to prove. Is this one meant to show that racism or harassment exists? Or that some companies tolerate racism or harassment and others don't?

More to hilight the kinds of things that African Americans have to endure and deal with every day.

But this is a drop in the bucket compared to what white and Asian people have to deal with every day from affirmative action.

 

[RavenSky]

More to hilight the kinds of things that African Americans have to endure and deal with every day.

But this is a drop in the bucket compared to what white and Asian people have to deal with every day from affirmative action.

Did you say that with a straight face?

 

[Toni]

I'm not certain what these anecdotes (gossip) serve to prove. Is this one meant to show that racism or harassment exists? Or that some companies tolerate racism or harassment and others don't?

More to hilight the kinds of things that African Americans have to endure and deal with every day.

But this is a drop in the bucket compared to what white and Asian people have to deal with every day from affirmative action.

Somehow it is unsurprising that you would equate maybe not getting into Harvard with being barred from your own apartment, being shot by police, having the police called on you for: selling lemonade, having a barbecue, reading a book, being in your own home, babysitting white children, harassed by shopkeepers, contaminated drinking water in homes and schools, and hundreds of other indignities and unjustified police actions and racially driven injustices that black people deal with every single day.

But hey: some white or Asian kid only made it into Princeton. Oh the injustice!!!

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm not certain what these anecdotes (gossip) serve to prove. Is this one meant to show that racism or harassment exists? Or that some companies tolerate racism or harassment and others don't?

More to hilight the kinds of things that African Americans have to endure and deal with every day.

But this is a drop in the bucket compared to what white and Asian people have to deal with every day from affirmative action.

I love good sarcasm.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

More to hilight the kinds of things that African Americans have to endure and deal with every day.

But this is a drop in the bucket compared to what white and Asian people have to deal with every day from affirmative action.

Did you say that with a straight face?

What's worse, being temporarily blocked from entering your condo, or permanently blocked from medical school?

 

[Deepak]

Did you say that with a straight face?

What's worse, being temporarily blocked from entering your condo, or permanently blocked from medical school?

Having to go to Tufts instead of Harvard certainly is a demoralizing and demeaning experience. Why, whenever I take the Red Line up to Cambridge I'm always surprised at the total lack of Whites and Chinese people - it's eerie.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Did you say that with a straight face?

What's worse, being temporarily blocked from entering your condo, or permanently blocked from medical school?

Having to go to Tufts instead of Harvard certainly is a demoralizing and demeaning experience. Why, whenever I take the Red Line up to Cambridge I'm always surprised at the total lack of Whites and Chinese people - it's eerie.

Note that I said "medical school". There are always lesser colleges to go to for those tho are discriminated against, but there aren't lesser medical schools.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Having to go to Tufts instead of Harvard certainly is a demoralizing and demeaning experience. Why, whenever I take the Red Line up to Cambridge I'm always surprised at the total lack of Whites and Chinese people - it's eerie.

Note that I said "medical school". There are always lesser colleges to go to for those tho are discriminated against, but there aren't lesser medical schools.

How many have been turned away? Please link a source so that we may see the scope of the problem.

 

[laughing dog]

Did you say that with a straight face?

What's worse, being temporarily blocked from entering your condo, or permanently blocked from medical school?

Did you get a hernia from shifting that goal post?

 

[Deepak]

Having to go to Tufts instead of Harvard certainly is a demoralizing and demeaning experience. Why, whenever I take the Red Line up to Cambridge I'm always surprised at the total lack of Whites and Chinese people - it's eerie.

Note that I said "medical school". There are always lesser colleges to go to for those tho are discriminated against, but there aren't lesser medical schools.

How many have been turned away? Please link a source so that we may see the scope of the problem.

In addition I'd like to know more about the process - do children pick one venue for medical school with the AMCAS at age 12, then if they don't get accepted they must go work as an attendant at a coin-op laundromat or Barnes and Noble?

Even if we banned Affirmative Action why would anyone apply to Harvard Medical if missing your one chance means you're unable to go to another medical school? Seems like a huge financial risk to take on

 

[thebeave]

How many have been turned away? Please link a source so that we may see the scope of the problem.

In addition I'd like to know more about the process - do children pick one venue for medical school with the AMCAS at age 12, then if they don't get accepted they must go work as an attendant at a coin-op laundromat or Barnes and Noble?

Even if we banned Affirmative Action why would anyone apply to Harvard Medical if missing your one chance means you're unable to go to another medical school? Seems like a huge financial risk to take on

Isn't that a bit like a white person saying to a black person, "Why do you have to sit at the front of the bus? The seats in the back are fine, and you'll still get to your destination. Its not like we're making you walk. Geez, lighten up dude!".

 

[Deepak]

Isn't that a bit like a white person saying to a black person, "Why do you have to sit at the front of the bus? The seats in the back are fine, and you'll still get to your destination. Its not like we're making you walk. Geez, lighten up dude!".

So it's actually an alright argument, structurally, but I don't think it holds especially in regards to medical school. The way I hear things told at the undergrad level is that stereotypical usually-Chinese overachieving students (not generally-Asian, more on this) are specifically being disadvantaged because they need higher test scores than some other variety of student who doesn't deserve to be there.

The problem with medical school is that you've already established a track record at a university and there's very few students at that level who don't deserve to be there - the argument that a black candidate needs to go to community college to have a better chance at not being overwhelmed is moot. The argument would have us believe that academic qualifications are the only things that should be considered for applicants - which is dubious at best at the undergrad level, and catastrophic when you have doctors who have to interact with real people. Bedside manner, ability to connect with your patients, and your general demeanor and personality play a large part in success in the field. On the matter of academic qualifications, those are and have pretty much been pegged at the redline for a while https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/05/college-admissions-gpa-sat-act/561167/

More importantly, the specific profile of person being disadvantaged isn't Asians in general nor East Asians specifically, but a very specific profile of student https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ajsp.12165

So really, it's a matter of the driver saying the ticket they bought doesn't take them to the destination and the person complaining that they bought the most expensive ticket. Those two things aren't necessarily squared, nor are medical schools common carriers. If every doctor is Han Chinese, an expert fencer, and plays the violin I'm not sure if we'd actually have better doctors or better healthcare.

And again, one can visit Boston, buy a pass for the MBTA and tour around both schools and medical facilities to see that the admissions and hiring process are not barring whites or Asians from practicing medicine.

 

[Tinker Grey]

How many have been turned away? Please link a source so that we may see the scope of the problem.

In addition I'd like to know more about the process - do children pick one venue for medical school with the AMCAS at age 12, then if they don't get accepted they must go work as an attendant at a coin-op laundromat or Barnes and Noble?

Even if we banned Affirmative Action why would anyone apply to Harvard Medical if missing your one chance means you're unable to go to another medical school? Seems like a huge financial risk to take on

Isn't that a bit like a white person saying to a black person, "Why do you have to sit at the front of the bus? The seats in the back are fine, and you'll still get to your destination. Its not like we're making you walk. Geez, lighten up dude!".

No. It's more like "This bus is full. But, the next one pulls up in 5."

 

[RavenSky]

Having to go to Tufts instead of Harvard certainly is a demoralizing and demeaning experience. Why, whenever I take the Red Line up to Cambridge I'm always surprised at the total lack of Whites and Chinese people - it's eerie.

Note that I said "medical school". There are always lesser colleges to go to for those tho are discriminated against, but there aren't lesser medical schools.

How many have been turned away? Please link a source so that we may see the scope of the problem.

And this source will need to demonstrate that a minority of lesser capability/scholastic history got admitted ahead of this perfect white dude.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

How many have been turned away? Please link a source so that we may see the scope of the problem.

And this source will need to demonstrate that a minority of lesser capability/scholastic history got admitted ahead of this perfect white dude.

Exactly. Post hoc reasoning is a bitch.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Having to go to Tufts instead of Harvard certainly is a demoralizing and demeaning experience. Why, whenever I take the Red Line up to Cambridge I'm always surprised at the total lack of Whites and Chinese people - it's eerie.

Note that I said "medical school". There are always lesser colleges to go to for those tho are discriminated against, but there aren't lesser medical schools.

How many have been turned away? Please link a source so that we may see the scope of the problem.

Think that number is public information?!?!

There's a chart that gets posted on here now and then showing average admission scores by race. Big differences. The sample size is large enough that this isn't just a statistical fluke.

Therefore we can conclude that people have been denied medical school due to their race.

We have one person kept out of their condo, thus one person kept out of medical school is enough to make my point.