Women on the Twenty

[Loren Pechtel]

It's amazing to me how many people prefer ANYTHING to the image of an actual real woman-one whose likeness has been captured, recorded/preserved and would not need to be re imagined. Unless she's naked.

I've always objected to people on money, it's just normally it doesn't come up so I very rarely say anything about it.

 

[Angry Floof]

I'd love it if we stopped putting people on money. We have all kinds of ways to memorialize and honor our country's great people, but it's a kind of worship that is fine for statues and holidays but doesn't need to be on something that touches the hands of almost everyone in the nation every day.

 

[laughing dog]

I really don't care who or what is on my money as long as I have enough of it and it is accepted.

 

[rousseau]

Do people even look at money? I can't remember the last time I took more than 3 seconds to look at a bill. But yea, put a woman on there, sure, whatever.

 

[Toni]

I really don't care who or what is on my money as long as I have enough of it and it is accepted.

Really? So you'd be fine with money with images of Adolph Hitler on it?

 

[Angry Floof]

I really don't care who or what is on my money as long as I have enough of it and it is accepted.

Really? So you'd be fine with money with images of Adolph Hitler on it?

My answer for that would be that if the money is legal tender, I'll use it. However, if I live in a place where Hitler's face is on the money, I'd probably rather be dead.

 

[laughing dog]

I really don't care who or what is on my money as long as I have enough of it and it is accepted.

Really? So you'd be fine with money with images of Adolph Hitler on it?

I'd get over it or move because the country had gone to hell.

 

[Ford]

Do people even look at money? I can't remember the last time I took more than 3 seconds to look at a bill. But yea, put a woman on there, sure, whatever.

I glance at money. Every time I have to pull it out of my wallet. Then, because I have to get it correctly in the slot, I look down when I swipe my money.


It is plastic, blue in color, has a hologram and a "Visa" logo on the front.


That's the debit card. The credit card has all that stuff, and is a darker blue.


My other credit card has an eagle on it...I think. Don't use that one as often.




I'm sorry. What was the question again?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

So you think Mrs. Jones down the street would get equal consideration with Elizabeth Cady Stanton?

I dunno.
What has Mr. Jones done for the country?

Married Mr. Jones and saved the rest of us from such a fate.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

So you have for years been trying to remove men from money?

What I actually said is still there. Feel free to read it.

I saw what you typed, i am asking for clarification. If your real problem is wanting to end identity politics, then you would be equally engaged in getting men on money replaced with wild life and since men have been on money your whole life you would have been bothered your whole life by it. It is reasonable to think You would have a history of criticizing men on money. I'm just asking if you do.

Or did your disgust with identity politics and who was on our money just show up after there was a chance that an real woman might make it on a bill?

 

[Terrell]

Funny. I'm sure it had nothing to do with race since we've had Native Americans on the dollar. [/conserv]

The Sacajawea Dollar coin was sort of a dud. She deserves another chance. Maybe we need a $25 bill. There's other denominations to consider. Barney Frank is a natural for the $3.

Aren't dollar coins, in general, a failure in the U.S.? I do remember the Susan B. Anthony dollar coin, but I don't think it's lack of popularity had anything to do with who was on it. Making it almost the same size as the quarter couldn't have helped. Only place I can think of that regularly gave them out as change was the vending machines in the post office. When spending them, one might have to point out that you were using a dollar & not a quarter.

As to people on money, I'm not so sure that I care that much.

 

[ideologyhunter]

First choice: A woman who has earned glory for the U.S. in the world arena -- and spoken out courageously for a minority population. Bruce Jenner.
Second choice: Joan Crawford. Because, dammit, she was a star, first and foremost, nuff said.

Susan B. Anthony is definitely out -- I still hate finding that retarded dollar coin from '79 in my pocket. As Art Buchwald said at the time, Just what America wanted, an eleven-sided coin with an angry suffragette.

 

[Derec]

Aren't dollar coins, in general, a failure in the U.S.? I do remember the Susan B. Anthony dollar coin, but I don't think it's lack of popularity had anything to do with who was on it. Making it almost the same size as the quarter couldn't have helped. Only place I can think of that regularly gave them out as change was the vending machines in the post office. When spending them, one might have to point out that you were using a dollar & not a quarter.

I also has to do with not retiring the one dollar bill.

Also, why such hostility toward poor Andrew Jackson? Just because of Trail of Tears?
If nothing else he makes a dashing figure on his portrait, quite unlike Tubman who is really unphotogenic to put it charitably. And that matters since the portrayals on money are by necessity visual.

 

[Derec]

First choice: A woman who has earned glory for the U.S. in the world arena -- and spoken out courageously for a minority population. Bruce Jenner.

LMAO.

Second choice: Joan Crawford. Because, dammit, she was a star, first and foremost, nuff said.

I guess it's a testament to my age that I had to look her up.

Susan B. Anthony is definitely out -- I still hate finding that retarded dollar coin from '79 in my pocket. As Art Buchwald said at the time, Just what America wanted, an eleven-sided coin with an angry suffragette.

She was also into banning alcohol. Fuck her (but not literally).

 

[Derec]

Woman on the twenty? I think I'd prefer a good twenty dollar woman. I'm horny and poor.

Although $20 was quite a bit more money back then.

 

[Derec]

Definitely time for it. Women have been on our money, but never on our paper money.

The problem is that current paper money is mostly presidents with two non-president founding fathers, Hamilton and Franklin thrown in. Any woman would have to be of similar stature for her selection not to seem (and quite rightly) as identity politics driven token. I do not think any of the women from that survey qualify.
In fact, of non-president figures of the more recent history who could compete would be MLK Jr.

I quite like hyadea's science based money, although the redesign might be too radical visually. A redesign that incorporates traditional dollar look with more modern features would be a better way to go I think.

Of the women mentioned in the OP, I would like to see either Susan B. Anthony, Alice Paul, or Elizabeth Stanton.

Anthony and Stanton were prohibitionsits. Don't know about Paul.

I would add Carrie Chapman Catt and Lucy Stone to the list.

Too obscure for the $20 bill for sure.

We could even drop US Grant from the 50, and make room for two women.

Why?

 

[thebeave]

I never even heard of three of the ones on the list. At least three that I know of, Rachel Carson, Margeret Sanger and Betty Freidan, have said or written some pretty controversial, if not outright bullshit stuff. They shouldn't be in the running at all, IMHO.

 

[dismal]

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What I actually said is still there. Feel free to read it.

I saw what you typed, i am asking for clarification. If your real problem is wanting to end identity politics, then you would be equally engaged in getting men on money replaced with wild life and since men have been on money your whole life you would have been bothered your whole life by it. It is reasonable to think You would have a history of criticizing men on money. I'm just asking if you do.

Or did your disgust with identity politics and who was on our money just show up after there was a chance that an real woman might make it on a bill?

My comment was about the process for putting people (or water fowl) on money. Or the criteria, if you will.

I would say generally we have used the criteria of putting "our greatest Americans" on money. This leads us to Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Ben Franklin, even Roosevelt on the dime, etc. Hamilton was first secretary of the treasury so there's some sense in that. Conventional politics and sentimentality are bound to enter the "who are the greatest Americans" and as values change we end up with some people we would not think are so great today - Grant, Jackson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, maybe wouldn't make the list now. It's probably not a bad idea to require someone to be dead for 50 years and be chosen by a bipartisan panel of experts or some such if you really care about avoiding these sorts of things.

As much as you try desperately to claim otherwise, I don't object to a woman being on money -- if we have an objective process and objective criteria that results in a woman being on money. I object to reducing the process and criteria for who is on money to identity politics. I'd rather go with assorted water fowl and spare our children the debate over whether to put Ru-Paul or Bruce Jenner on the $5.

If you're saying that we are applying an objective scale of greatness here I struggle to believe a panel of objective historians would rank, say, Patsy Mink over say, James Madison.

 

[Draconis]

Over here we had a minor fuss about this; being as the £5 note is about to have Churchill on it instead of Elizabeth Fry, so now Jane Austen has been hurriedly put on the £10 instead, shoving poor old Darwin off (which is rough luck). But... we have the Queen on all the notes - but apparently that doesn't count to those obsessed with this issue. She looks like a woman to me. The main criteria for consideration being that they're famous, done something important, etc - and dead. Haven't a clue why the latter is required.

Uh-ho did a bit of looking around and apparently there's a push to get a famous Black Briton on a note too.

This is going to get difficult.

 

[dystopian]

but apparently that doesn't count to those obsessed with this issue.

I'm not obsessed with the issue, but I too think the queen doesn't really count. Why? Because there's not really a choice about it. It's always been the case that kingdoms put the monarch's face on their money; so it doesn't earn any special points when the monarch happens to be a woman. It's meaningless as an expression of gender equality if there's no choice to be had about who to put on the money in the first place.