Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[laughing dog]

If my understanding is relatively accurate, your characterization is based on false assumptions.

In what way is the characterization based on false assumptions?
Tom

That the intermediaries did not talk with Israel.

Well, if they didn't talk with Israel, what is the point of your complaint?
Tom

I pointed out that the argument was based on the false assumption that Egypt had not talked with Israel. That means Egypt had talked with Israel at some point. We don't know what parameters (if any) Israel gave the intermediaries, but at no time has Israel pooh-poohed these talks which strongly suggests that they know what is going on.

That's not what you actually said,it

It is true, I did not use those exact words in that order. Apparently I gave my audience greater credit. I apologize.

No, no, please give us back the credit or at least the majority of us. We understood.

The vast majority in the audience are fine. I just have to remember that there is a special segment that has real reading comprehension issues.

 

[TomC]

Oh my. There you go again. YOU condemn all "Muslims" while falsely claiming that your opponents in this thread are bigoted against "nasty Jewish fucks.

Let me know when you decide to stop condemning all "Jews".

 

[laughing dog]

Speak for yourself.

I do know a bit about it which is why I know that Israel didn't invent ethnic cleansing since October 7.
Tom

Ethnic cleansing has been around for centuries all over the globe. The text of your post refutes itself.

Whose ethnic cleansing of which region are you talking about? Israel is most assuredly but slowly engaging in ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. And, if exit from Gaza were easier and less costly, I suspect it would be just about empty. So, IMO, Israel is fine with ethnic cleansing as long as they are the cleaners.

Do you know what region we're talking about? That ethnic cleansing has been attempted multiple times before, just since WWII, in that region? The targets have usually been Jews?

You don't seem to know that stuff.

That Zionists don't care what Muslims get up to when it is not a danger to Jews?
Tom

Unlike you, I know ethnic cleansing has been going on in that region for millennia. Hell, the Old Testament brags about it.

I realize your pointless passive aggressive response was to obscure reality.

Just to be clear in order to avoid any “misunderstanding “, any ethnic cleansing of any peoples for any reason by anyone is wrong and should be opposed.

 

[TomC]

Unlike you, I know ethnic cleansing has been going on in that region for millennia.

Here's what you said:

Whose ethnic cleansing of which region are you talking about?

Oh well.

Ethnic cleansing will probably continue for another generation or two.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Unlike you, I know ethnic cleansing has been going on in that region for millennia.

Here's what you said:

Whose ethnic cleansing of which region are you talking about?

Oh well.

“Region “ is a vague term. The Middle East, Palestine, Israel, the West Bank snd Gaza are all “ regions”.

 

[TomC]

“Region “ is a vague term. The Middle East, Palestine, Israel, the West Bank snd Gaza are all “ regions”.

Let me requote you
Yet again

Whose ethnic cleansing of which region are you talking about?

That's you.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

“Region “ is a vague term. The Middle East, Palestine, Israel, the West Bank snd Gaza are all “ regions”.

Let me requote you
Yet again

Whose ethnic cleansing of which region are you talking about?

That's you.
Tom

And the point you think you are making is?

 

[TomC]

“Region “ is a vague term. The Middle East, Palestine, Israel, the West Bank snd Gaza are all “ regions”.

Let me requote you
Yet again

Whose ethnic cleansing of which region are you talking about?

That's you.
Tom

And the point you think you are making is?

You don't seem to recognize ethnic cleansing unless it's someone you don't like doing it.

You don't seem to recognize it when Muslims do it any more than Barbos recognizes it when Russians do it.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

You don't seem to recognize it when Muslims do it any more than Barbos recognizes it when Russians do it.
Tom

Hamas has no ability to commit ethnic cleansing against the Israelis.

 

[Cognoscenti324]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

 

[TomC]

You don't seem to recognize it when Muslims do it any more than Barbos recognizes it when Russians do it.
Tom

Hamas has no ability to commit ethnic cleansing against the Israelis.

No they don't.
That would take a much bigger part of the Muslim community.

Hamas can commit ethnic cleansing concerning the Gazans. The generic term is "human shields", but yeah. Hamas and their supporters are very capable of that, as we all know.
Tom

 

[TomC]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

What?
Who is making choices that result in dead babies in Gaza?
Tom

 

[Cognoscenti324]

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Rav Yosef says: Come and hear a resolution from a mishna (Nidda 44b): A girl who is three years and one day old whose father arranged her betrothal is betrothed with intercourse, as the legal status of intercourse with her is that of full-fledged intercourse. And in a case where the childless husband of a girl who is three years and one day old dies, if his brother, the yavam, engages in intercourse with her, he acquires her as his wife; and if she is married, a man other than her husband is liable for engaging in intercourse with her due to the prohibition of intercourse with a married woman. - Sanhedrin 55B

This bizarre level of anti -Jewish bias is probably why I come across as more staunchly Zionist, in this thread, than I really am.
Tom

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

Well your very first sentence is incredibly bigoted. Then you cite some bizzare quote “rabbinal idea” to describe how all Jews think? Most Jews I know are atheist. But do you think it would be fair to describe Americans as people who get their values from Leviticus?

My Jewish friends would disagree with you. Many have said out loud that its Ok to kill children if Hamas hides behind them. They clearly have found a comfort level. Certainly, there are others who think as I do that Israel should be smart enough to figure out how to stop Hamas without killing children. It's an ethics thing....

 

[TomC]

Certainly, there are others who think as I do that Israel should be smart enough to figure out how to stop Hamas without killing children.

Have any of your Muslim friends offered suggestions?

Or is this just another example of anti-jewish bigotry?
Tom

 

[Cognoscenti324]

Citing rabbinical ideas is anti-Jewish? Ok….

When the post starts with:

I wonder if beliefs like the following could explain Israel's comfort with killing children?

Then yeah, your post is viciously anti-jewish.
Tom

Or, just ethically anti-infanticide.

What?
Who is making choices that result in dead babies in Gaza?
Tom

Israel is. They shoot the bullets and drop the bombs. Their inability to find ways to attack actual Hamas members without killing children demonstrates either gross incompetence or an abject lack of empathy for children. How many actual Hamas terrorists have been killed? How many dead children per Hamas terrorist is acceptable to you?

 

[Cognoscenti324]

Certainly, there are others who think as I do that Israel should be smart enough to figure out how to stop Hamas without killing children.

Have any of your Muslim friends offered suggestions?

Or is this just another example of anti-jewish bigotry?
Tom

My Muslim friends are by and large disgusted and appalled with both Hamas and Israel. What? Did you just let your anti-Muslim bigotry slip out?

 

[TomC]

How many dead children per Hamas terrorist is acceptable to you?

How many are acceptable to the people in charge? That would be Hamas.
How many deaths in Gaza are okay with Hamas and their supporters like Iran if it protects Hamas?

Israel is.

Israel is not. Israel is stuck dealing with the out come of Muslim choices, like the "human shields" tactic.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

“Region “ is a vague term. The Middle East, Palestine, Israel, the West Bank snd Gaza are all “ regions”.

Let me requote you
Yet again

Whose ethnic cleansing of which region are you talking about?

That's you.
Tom

And the point you think you are making is?

You don't seem to recognize ethnic cleansing unless it's someone you don't like doing it.

You don't seem to recognize it when Muslims do it any more than Barbos recognizes it when Russians do it.
Tom

What ethnic cleansing do you think I don’t recognize?

 

[TomC]

My Muslim friends are by and large disgusted and appalled with both Hamas and Israel.

Have they any more useful advice or information?
Or are they in the same position Netanyahu is? No idea how to fix anything.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

You don't seem to recognize it when Muslims do it any more than Barbos recognizes it when Russians do it.
Tom

Hamas has no ability to commit ethnic cleansing against the Israelis.

No they don't.
That would take a much bigger part of the Muslim community.

Then why do you continue to claim Hamas is committing ethnic cleansing?