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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

barbos said:
TV and credit cards said:
Note, also passed was the Rebuilding Economic Prosperity and Opportunity for Ukraine or REPO Act. So, what sovereign Russian assets held in US financial institutions can be placed into a Ukraine Support Fund for the rebuilding of Ukraine once hostilities have ceased. This amounts to $5B. I say can. We likely won't unless the G-7 goes along. Acting unilaterally may bring some loss of confidence in the US dollar among other nations.
Now to get the G-7 to go along. There is a meeting June 15-17 and I suspect it will be a hot topic for discussion. The G-7 has pledged that Russian assets will remain frozen until Russia repays Ukraine for the damage it has done. Fat chance of that happening as the most conservative estimates have that damage exceeding all frozen Russian assets, roughly $300B. There will be the matter of expediency in helping Ukraine to rebuild so I think, I hope the G-7 will come along. It would not be in the EU's interest to have a broken and cash-strapped Ukraine reliant on possibly sporadic funding from Western nations.
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Some measured that Russia has more western assets in Russia than Russia in the West.
In case there is not enough western assets in Russia itself we can go to ...... China and arrest/grab them there.
Yeah, and you will pay reparations for rebuilding Ukrainian Oblast too.
You're screwed :D
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Any western companies that were foolish enough to trust Russia should have their assets stolen by Russia. But I'm not sure why you are whinning about this. You need to read more carefully. The REPO act can be used to rebuild Ukraine after the war is over.

Additional good news! UK is also stepping up with a big donation to help Ukraine:

 
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
TV and credit cards said:
Note, also passed was the Rebuilding Economic Prosperity and Opportunity for Ukraine or REPO Act. So, what sovereign Russian assets held in US financial institutions can be placed into a Ukraine Support Fund for the rebuilding of Ukraine once hostilities have ceased. This amounts to $5B. I say can. We likely won't unless the G-7 goes along. Acting unilaterally may bring some loss of confidence in the US dollar among other nations.
Now to get the G-7 to go along. There is a meeting June 15-17 and I suspect it will be a hot topic for discussion. The G-7 has pledged that Russian assets will remain frozen until Russia repays Ukraine for the damage it has done. Fat chance of that happening as the most conservative estimates have that damage exceeding all frozen Russian assets, roughly $300B. There will be the matter of expediency in helping Ukraine to rebuild so I think, I hope the G-7 will come along. It would not be in the EU's interest to have a broken and cash-strapped Ukraine reliant on possibly sporadic funding from Western nations.
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Some measured that Russia has more western assets in Russia than Russia in the West.
In case there is not enough western assets in Russia itself we can go to ...... China and arrest/grab them there.
Yeah, and you will pay reparations for rebuilding Ukrainian Oblast too.
You're screwed :D
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Any western companies that were foolish enough to trust Russia should have their assets stolen by Russia. But I'm not sure why you are whinning about this. You need to read more carefully. The REPO act can be used to rebuild Ukraine after the war is over.

Additional good news! UK is also stepping up with a big donation to help Ukraine:

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Further, it is my understanding that the seized funds are sovereign funds deposited through the Central Bank of Russia mostly in EU financial institutions. The CBR is considered an arm of the Russian government. Barbos' tit for tat is referring to assets of persons. The US position is that sovereign foreign assets are not subject to judicial review. Russia has violated the norms of international law and it is a diplomatic matter as to whether or not seized assets are returned.

Ref that often does not load is:
www.lawfaremedia.org

The REPO Act: Confiscating Russian State Assets Consistent With U.S. and International Law

The REPO Act is a timely, carefully constructed bipartisan bill that signals that the U.S. is prepared and willing to take on a leadership role for an economic counteroffensive to support Ukraine.
www.lawfaremedia.org www.lawfaremedia.org
I don't know what's up with Lawfare these days.
 
TV and credit cards said:
The US position is that sovereign foreign assets are not subject to judicial review. Russia has violated the norms of international law and it is a diplomatic matter as to whether or not seized assets are returned
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The US position is that they can do whatever they want.

If Russia were seizing US assets, any time US violated international law, we would have been the richest country in the world.
 
US should pay reparation for Vietnam, Whole South and Central America, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Nord Stream, now Ukraine. Illegal NATO (North American Terrorist Organization) expansion, countless election interference in every single country in the world including Russia.
Illegal color revolutions, funding terrorist organizations (In Afghanistan, Syria, Russia, Central America again)
Great Britain and France should pay reparations too. (India, Africa, Middle East, etc)
 
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It looks like Russian assets that have been converted to cash in the EU will work for Ukraine by transferring interest accrued to them. This eases doubt by some EU members who are hesitant to outright confiscate the assets. Most of these assets are held by Euroclear and will generate about $5B a year for the good Ukrainian people.
That'll work for now. I'm sure as Putin continues to be Putin more EU nations will come around to outright confiscation of those funds.
 
barbos said:
US should pay reparation for Vietnam, Whole South and Central America, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Nord Stream, now Ukraine. Illegal NATO (North American Terrorist Organization) expansion, countless election interference in every single country in the world including Russia.
Illegal color revolutions, funding terrorist organizations (In Afghanistan, Syria, Russia, Central America again)
Great Britain and France should pay reparations too. (India, Africa, Middle East, etc)
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Right back atcha there, chief.:
  • Ukraine (Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Belarus (Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Kazakhstan (Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Uzbekistan (Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Georgia (Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Azerbaijan (Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Lithuania (Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Moldova (Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Kyrgyzstan (Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Armenia (Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Tajikistan (Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Turkmenistan (Turkmen Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Latvia (Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Estonia (Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic)
You actually took over control of those counties. The US doesn't control any of the counties on your list.
 
ZiprHead said:
barbos said:
US should pay reparation for Vietnam, Whole South and Central America, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Nord Stream, now Ukraine. Illegal NATO (North American Terrorist Organization) expansion, countless election interference in every single country in the world including Russia.
Illegal color revolutions, funding terrorist organizations (In Afghanistan, Syria, Russia, Central America again)
Great Britain and France should pay reparations too. (India, Africa, Middle East, etc)
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Right back atcha there, chief.:
  • Ukraine (Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Belarus (Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Kazakhstan (Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Uzbekistan (Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Georgia (Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Azerbaijan (Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Lithuania (Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Moldova (Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Kyrgyzstan (Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Armenia (Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Tajikistan (Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Turkmenistan (Turkmen Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Latvia (Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Estonia (Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic)
You actually took over control of those counties. The US doesn't control any of the counties on your list.
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That's stupid. I know for a fact that that Georgia asked to join Russian Empire, same with Armenia. Ukraine has been part of Russia since the beginning except short period of times of Polish occupation of western parts.
Kazakhstan was not a country. Belarus is basically the same story as Ukraine.
What are you talking about? Yes Russian Empire had a lot of different people/tribes in it.
Russians themselves is an aggregation of bunch of smaller tribes we don't remember about now.
You want to go back to City States period? How far back?
Russian Empire grew out of necessity to defend from neighbours (Poland, Turkey, Sweden, mongol-tartars)
American and western empires in general were flat out colonization and pillaging of Africa, South/North America, Asia, the whole world. And you continue to do so, but in slightly less direct way. You think you are smarter, better, more sophisticated and should rule the rest of the planet of lesser humans.
Speaking of which, in Russia has always been this belief that this is in fact true and that westerners are better than we are.
Well, Jens Stoltenberg and the rest of clowns which run the West destroyed that belief :D
 
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ZiprHead said:
barbos said:
US should pay reparation for Vietnam, Whole South and Central America, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, Nord Stream, now Ukraine. Illegal NATO (North American Terrorist Organization) expansion, countless election interference in every single country in the world including Russia.
Illegal color revolutions, funding terrorist organizations (In Afghanistan, Syria, Russia, Central America again)
Great Britain and France should pay reparations too. (India, Africa, Middle East, etc)
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Right back atcha there, chief.:
  • Ukraine (Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Belarus (Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Kazakhstan (Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Uzbekistan (Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Georgia (Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Azerbaijan (Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Lithuania (Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Moldova (Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Kyrgyzstan (Kirghiz Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Armenia (Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Tajikistan (Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Turkmenistan (Turkmen Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Latvia (Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic)
  • Estonia (Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic)
You actually took over control of those counties. The US doesn't control any of the counties on your list.
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To add to all these Soviet Socialist Republics, Russia was the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.
 
ZiprHead said:
The US doesn't control any of the counties on your list.
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That's pretty imbecilic.
US definitely controls the following countries from your list:
Ukraine
Lithuania
Moldova (to some degree)
Latvia
Estonia

You do have some control of Georgia, but not much at this point. You have a president which reports to State Department but president is mostly ceremonial position in Georgia now.

Moldova have (small) regions (other than russian controlled Transnistria) which are publicly pro-Russia.
They say they will split from Moldova if they continue to move to EU. That would be very problematic and embarrassing for neocon regimes of EU. And they are not even russians. They are turkic speaking ortodox bulgarians/turkic who moved there during Ottoman Empire. I don't really know why exactly they want to stay in Russia I suspect they don't like becoming romanians. Compared to Russian Federation all these smaller republics are hell-bent on making everybody mono-ethnic.
I mean neocon installed president of Moldova openly supports russian banning Nazi Regime in Ukraine so, it's no wonder that they expect the same from her.
In Russia, nobody cares about russifying everybody. You have to learn russian to do anything, but other than that, you can do whatever you want.

Speaking of language wars.
I have spoken about it before and I know you don't care. But it's not easy to ban russian in former USSR.
Most languages are not suited for higher education and it's easier to switch the whole thing to english than to adapt a language which was never used in education. Georgia apparently is doing that in some universities.
In Kazakhstan they are kinda moving towards switching to kazakh in order to placate uneducated populace but most of the urban educated population speak perfect russian and don't know kazakh that well.

There was a recent surprising study/report about ukrainian in Ukraine. And despite all of these years of ukrainization today's children still fail at ukrainian. That suggests that people still prefer russian at home, ukrainian is a foreign language to them.
 
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By the way, Moldavan (ethnic moldovans included) opposition is being harassed by the current regime right now.
Apparently they all went to Moscow to a conference and Moldovan government is not letting them back.
So you will have troubles occupying Moldova.
 
barbos said:
By the way, Moldavan (ethnic moldovans included) opposition is being harassed by the current regime right now.
Apparently they all went to Moscow to a conference and Moldovan government is not letting them back.
So you will have troubles occupying Moldova.
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Pro-Russian Transnistrians?

Russia has some troops in Transnistria to "protect" pro-Russian people there.
 
lpetrich said:
Pro-Russian Transnistrians?
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No, pro-russian moldavans. I know it's hard for you to understand but they are not united in joining shit show called EU/NATO.
Previous president of Moldova was pro-russian. Then US/EU installed US made woman-puppet.
 
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barbos said:
Loren Pechtel said:
What I don't think you understand is that weapons like HIMARS are more about denial than actual hits.
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Too late for that. Russian forces learned how to deal with that during HIMARS era.
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What you don't understand is that what HIMARS does is deny the Russians any sort of facility within the zone it can fire on. It's about degrading your logistics, not actually about blowing anything up.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
barbos said:
Loren Pechtel said:
What I don't think you understand is that weapons like HIMARS are more about denial than actual hits.
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Too late for that. Russian forces learned how to deal with that during HIMARS era.
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What you don't understand is that what HIMARS does is deny the Russians any sort of facility within the zone it can fire on. It's about degrading your logistics, not actually about blowing anything up.
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What you don't understand is that I am not dumber than you and know about all of that. And more importantly russian army knows about that and took all the necessary measures.
 
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