I have now met a real life creationist.

[DrZoidberg]

I'm very grateful Christians continually fail at stoning people for working on Sundays. Imaging the utter mayhem, every damn week. I'm very happy rape is illegal. So, well done failing to apply that Biblical principle.

For everything that's good advice I can find two that is awful advice. That's just doing a quick scan. Wilson must have some sort of special Bible nobody else has read?

What you are describing is the utter FAILURE to apply biblical principles.

I agree. And I think Christians should continue to fail to apply Biblical principals. Can you imagine the mayhem if Christians started following the Bible? We'd have rapes and murders left and right.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Just in case Indian people feel left out . We'd have to include , the hindu version of floods and Manu the Hindu Noah or Nu'u (I think spelt right) and Hawaiian flood story etc. The similar theme seems pretty interesting although admittedly I need a bit of brushing up here.

It's truly a miracle and evidence of God that so many people who live on flood plains have myths revolving massive floods.

 

[Lion IRC]

I'm sorry, but what am I supposed to 'squirm' out of?
I thought you were going to show something from the bible of which Christians weren't aware.
I know both those verses.

Theres no mention of "stones" in Exodus 31:15

It's like youre showing an adult a rule which applies to children and wondering why the adult doesn't equally obey that rule.

I think it's great that modern Christians ignore the evil in the Bible. Please, keep it up. I wasn't aware "put to death" can be interpreted so many ways. Perhaps only put to death a little bit? Perhaps it means they will be forced to sit in the comfy chair?

There's a context. We know what types of punishments were given in the ancient world. So we know what is referred to is stoning. There's a hell of a lot in the Bible that the authors just assume the readers are familiar with. But which modern humans aren't. That's another thing that fascinates me about modern Christians. They don't seem to be all that interested in the Bible and the world that spawned it. It's all just exercises in creative ways to interpret it, without context. Isn't it interesting what the Biblical authors meant?

You didn't show that stoning people for working on the Sabbath was obligatory for everyone.
I asked about Noah working on the Sabbath. He was a righteous man.
Hebrew slaves worked on the Sabbath in Babylon.
Jesus worked on the Sabbath.
So clearly Hebrew casuistic laws didn't and don't apply universally in the way apodictic laws would.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You didn't show that stoning people for working on the Sabbath was obligatory for everyone.
I asked about Noah working on the Sabbath. He was a righteous man.

So? Noah is a character borrowed from Sumerian paganism. The old testament is a pagan work, after the fact re-interpreted as a monotheistic work. It doesn't make any sense. I mean... there's nothing that makes sense about the Noah story. That's what you get when a myth is mangled through a whole bunch of disparate religions and cobbled together from bits.

Hebrew slaves worked on the Sabbath in Babylon.

Well, they weren't in charge, were they?

Jesus worked on the Sabbath.

So? There's nothing that makes sense about Christianity. It would be one thing if Christianity only uses the Bible as their sacred text. But since they insist that the Torah is also sacred to them we get to make fun of them for it. I didn't make the rules. Christians did. I'm just following the rules.

So clearly Hebrew casuistic laws didn't and don't apply universally in the way apodictic laws would.

But you can't argue the text. It says what it says. You can't argue the context either. We know what the text means and how it should be interpreted. If we're not supposed to murder people for working on the Sabbath, why does it say it? Did God miss-write? Did God have a brain fart?

We have no idea how well enforced the ban on working on the Sabbath was. Or even how it was enforced. All we've got is Roman authors making fun of Jews for being lazy. They just saw it as a lame excuse to get out of work.

I suggest not using words you don't master.

 

[wilson]

I'm very grateful Christians continually fail at stoning people for working on Sundays. Imaging the utter mayhem, every damn week. I'm very happy rape is illegal. So, well done failing to apply that Biblical principle.

For everything that's good advice I can find two that is awful advice. That's just doing a quick scan. Wilson must have some sort of special Bible nobody else has read?

No, he's reading the same Bible, it's just that God has spoken to him and let him know which passages were meant ironically.

Can you show me, from ANY bible, where Christians were commanded to stone anyone for ANY reason?

 

[funinspace]

I'm sorry, but what am I supposed to 'squirm' out of?
I thought you were going to show something from the bible of which Christians weren't aware.
I know both those verses.

Theres no mention of "stones" in Exodus 31:15

It's like youre showing an adult a rule which applies to children and wondering why the adult doesn't equally obey that rule.

I think it's great that modern Christians ignore the evil in the Bible. Please, keep it up. I wasn't aware "put to death" can be interpreted so many ways. Perhaps only put to death a little bit? Perhaps it means they will be forced to sit in the comfy chair?

There's a context. We know what types of punishments were given in the ancient world. So we know what is referred to is stoning. There's a hell of a lot in the Bible that the authors just assume the readers are familiar with. But which modern humans aren't. That's another thing that fascinates me about modern Christians. They don't seem to be all that interested in the Bible and the world that spawned it. It's all just exercises in creative ways to interpret it, without context. Isn't it interesting what the Biblical authors meant?

I'm going to have to say that I don't agree with your requirement of forcing the Jewish Tanakh (old covenant) laws upon the Christian re-interpretation as evolved from the reading of the NT. Though the NT is a jumbled messaging mess, as it often is, there are sufficient ideas present within it to argue for one of several revisions to the old covenant. One can easily debate whether dispensationalism, Covenant theology, or New Covenant theology, among other variants is the most reasonable theological interpretation.

One example among the bits and pieces scattered within the NT books is below:
Romans 7:4-6: Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

As a side note: One of the things I find a crack up is that so many fundagelicals luv to Yugely emphasize The 10 Commandments, but then ignore one of them by ignoring the Sabbath.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

No, he's reading the same Bible, it's just that God has spoken to him and let him know which passages were meant ironically.

Can you show me, from ANY bible, where Christians were commanded to stone anyone for ANY reason?

Of course.

They're commanded to stone people for blasphemy

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.

And for adultery:

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.

And for pre-marital sex:

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.

And for breaking the Sabbath:

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses

And for disobeying your parents:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

And for being a witch:

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them

So, there are a lot of times when Christians are commanded to stone people. Now, all the commandments to stone people are, of course, in the Old Testament and I'm not aware of the New Testament ever mentioning the practice, so depending on which definition of "Bible" you're using, your point may be that there's nowhere in the NT where they're commanded to do so. The NT does have this direct quote from the mouth of Jesus, however:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

So, each and every one of those commands apply to Christians.

 

[funinspace]

You haven’t even hit ‘dull imaginations’ let alone ‘wildest imaginations’…aka no ‘wow’.

How will I know? You would not admit it.

<snipped middle snide exchange by both parties>

And I have no interest in reading more of your profanity. I do not talk to people who are unable to control themselves and curse at me. 'Bye.

Hey Wilson, I tell you what, I’ll not use profanity in posts in reply to you, if you refrain from projecting your attitude about what you think I’m thinking or won’t say, as I find that as insulting as you are offended by 7 to 10 words. That way you can reply to me instead of dancing around, sort of kind of, replying to my posts.

 

[DrZoidberg]

No, he's reading the same Bible, it's just that God has spoken to him and let him know which passages were meant ironically.

Can you show me, from ANY bible, where Christians were commanded to stone anyone for ANY reason?

I just did. Just a couple of posts up

 

[Learner]

I see it as; "You have nothing on Jesus or his teachings" in a "Christian" credible way.

I have no idea what this even means. Either the Bible is your ethical guide, in which case you are a monster. Or you use your own judgement, pick and chose what to follow, which might make you a good person, but makes the Bible is irrelevant.

I am saying Christians follow Christ (or should do) , this should be evident to you. Every part of the bible - OT & NT is a guide on 'many levels'. For example ;Showing us the stupidity of some people and all the evil atrocities resulted from selfishness, jealousy/ envy, grandiosity /pride and so on. History is known to repeat itself , what better guide to "remind/ warn" man that he never seems to honour his word making agreements with God - covenant and then more covenants. Jesus is the last straw .. no more covenants!

Those are the only two choices. I view all fundamentalist Christian as evil. The Bible, as a whole, is an evil text. The God of it is clearly evil. The fact that some of the advice is solid advice, can't make up for the immoral stuff. In a court of law, nobody cares if the murderer also is a nice guy. They judge him on the murder alone

The bible demonstrates evil by evil doers as well as the good deeds and good things and the "deterents" is the solid advice.

Would you call a president or leader a murderer if he or she sent troops to kill terrorists in a court of law ?

If you had a murderer and he got the conviction for lethal injection are you going to judge the judge?

Christians believes God is the ultimate judge as there is non more fair and righteous! Warnings were given before hand.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I just mentioned two examples of Biblical evil. But there's loads of it. Among the worst is that it encourages passivity under political oppression. It doesn't argue some "picking your battles" type argument. Nope. This is just all out acceptance of dictatorship. It encourages obedience to a king no matter what. That's evil. It's a total focus on the "next life". I'm sorry, but evil rulers need to be removed. A bad ruler mustn't be allowed to cling to power.

And slavery. I understand that in the ancient world slavery was common, and completely normalised to the authors of the Bible. That doesn't make it less evil in today's world. The fact that Christians still cling to the Bible and claim it as a moral guidance is deeply deeply troubling. Yes, evil.

It goes on. The Bible is full of attempts to justify evil. I find the notion that anybody thinks that book is anything but nice inspiration, in parts, abhorrent.

 

[wilson]

Can you show me, from ANY bible, where Christians were commanded to stone anyone for ANY reason?

Of course.

They're commanded to stone people for blasphemy

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.

And for adultery:

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.

And for pre-marital sex:

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.

And for breaking the Sabbath:

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses

And for disobeying your parents:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

And for being a witch:

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them

So, there are a lot of times when Christians are commanded to stone people. Now, all the commandments to stone people are, of course, in the Old Testament and I'm not aware of the New Testament ever mentioning the practice, so depending on which definition of "Bible" you're using, your point may be that there's nowhere in the NT where they're commanded to do so. The NT does have this direct quote from the mouth of Jesus, however:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

So, each and every one of those commands apply to Christians.

A few things:
1. Mistake! I don't believe that God was EVER "in the flesh."
2. Says who?
Have you read the preamble to the Mosaic Law? It reads:
“. . .Then God spoke all these words:  “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.” (Exodus 20:1-3)
“. . .. I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt. 37 So you must keep all my statutes and all my judicial decisions, and you must follow them. I am Jehovah.’”” (Leviticus 19:36, 37)
3. He didn't bring a single Christian "out of the land of Egypt."
4. No Christian was involved the covenant between Israel and Jehovah at mount Sinai in 1513 B.C.E:
“. . .So Moses went and summoned the elders of the people and declared to them all these words that Jehovah had commanded him. 8 After that all the people answered unanimously:
“All that Jehovah has spoken, we are willing to do.” Moses immediately took the people’s response to Jehovah. 9 And Jehovah said to Moses: “Look! I am coming to you in a dark cloud, so that the people may hear when I speak with you and so that they may always put faith in you as well.” Then Moses reported the words of the people to Jehovah.” (Exodus 19:7-9)
5. You misapply the text at Matthew 5:17-19.
Illustration:
If a contractor meets all the terms of a written contract and the customer is satisfied, why do you think that he should still be held accountable to that same contract? If Christ FULFILLED the law, why do you think they still apply to anyone?

What applies to believing, practicing Christians is what came after the advent of Christ.
So...........
Back to my question:
"Can you show me, from ANY bible, where Christians were commanded to stone anyone for ANY reason?"
Another thing:
Stonings were not an arbitrary matter. There had to be a trial and the stoning had to be presided over by the Levitical priests.
Where are the Levitical priests today?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Of course.

They're commanded to stone people for blasphemy

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.

And for adultery:

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.

And for pre-marital sex:

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.

And for breaking the Sabbath:

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses

And for disobeying your parents:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

And for being a witch:

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them

So, there are a lot of times when Christians are commanded to stone people. Now, all the commandments to stone people are, of course, in the Old Testament and I'm not aware of the New Testament ever mentioning the practice, so depending on which definition of "Bible" you're using, your point may be that there's nowhere in the NT where they're commanded to do so. The NT does have this direct quote from the mouth of Jesus, however:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

So, each and every one of those commands apply to Christians.

A few things:
1. Mistake! I don't believe that God was EVER "in the flesh."
2. Says who?
Have you read the preamble to the Mosaic Law? It reads:
“. . .Then God spoke all these words:  “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.” (Exodus 20:1-3)
“. . .. I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt. 37 So you must keep all my statutes and all my judicial decisions, and you must follow them. I am Jehovah.’”” (Leviticus 19:36, 37)
3. He didn't bring a single Christian "out of the land of Egypt."
4. No Christian was involved the covenant between Israel and Jehovah at mount Sinai in 1513 B.C.E:
“. . .So Moses went and summoned the elders of the people and declared to them all these words that Jehovah had commanded him. 8 After that all the people answered unanimously:
“All that Jehovah has spoken, we are willing to do.” Moses immediately took the people’s response to Jehovah. 9 And Jehovah said to Moses: “Look! I am coming to you in a dark cloud, so that the people may hear when I speak with you and so that they may always put faith in you as well.” Then Moses reported the words of the people to Jehovah.” (Exodus 19:7-9)
5. You misapply the text at Matthew 5:17-19.
Illustration:
If a contractor meets all the terms of a written contract and the customer is satisfied, why do you think that he should still be held accountable to that same contract? If Christ FULFILLED the law, why do you think they still apply to anyone?

What applies to believing, practicing Christians is what came after the advent of Christ.
So...........
Back to my question:
"Can you show me, from ANY bible, where Christians were commanded to stone anyone for ANY reason?"
Another thing:
Stonings were not an arbitrary matter. There had to be a trial and the stoning had to be presided over by the Levitical priests.
Where are the Levitical priests today?

It's for saying things like this that makes people fear Christians and think they're evil. As long as you try to defend or gloss over the Biblical evil you come across as evil.

All of Tom's examples are examples of Biblical passages where Christians are commanded to stone people for a variety of reasons

I don't think the correct priestly headgear gives anybody the right to sentence people to death. Especially for things that should't be crimes to begin with. Laws should be managed within the legal establishment, and that needs to be separate from any religious institution. Or you get corruption.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

A few things:
1. Mistake! I don't believe that God was EVER "in the flesh."
2. Says who?
Have you read the preamble to the Mosaic Law? It reads:
“. . .Then God spoke all these words:  “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.” (Exodus 20:1-3)
“. . .. I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt. 37 So you must keep all my statutes and all my judicial decisions, and you must follow them. I am Jehovah.’”” (Leviticus 19:36, 37)
3. He didn't bring a single Christian "out of the land of Egypt."
4. No Christian was involved the covenant between Israel and Jehovah at mount Sinai in 1513 B.C.E:
“. . .So Moses went and summoned the elders of the people and declared to them all these words that Jehovah had commanded him. 8 After that all the people answered unanimously:
“All that Jehovah has spoken, we are willing to do.” Moses immediately took the people’s response to Jehovah. 9 And Jehovah said to Moses: “Look! I am coming to you in a dark cloud, so that the people may hear when I speak with you and so that they may always put faith in you as well.” Then Moses reported the words of the people to Jehovah.” (Exodus 19:7-9)
5. You misapply the text at Matthew 5:17-19.
Illustration:
If a contractor meets all the terms of a written contract and the customer is satisfied, why do you think that he should still be held accountable to that same contract? If Christ FULFILLED the law, why do you think they still apply to anyone?

What applies to believing, practicing Christians is what came after the advent of Christ.
So...........
Back to my question:
"Can you show me, from ANY bible, where Christians were commanded to stone anyone for ANY reason?"
Another thing:
Stonings were not an arbitrary matter. There had to be a trial and the stoning had to be presided over by the Levitical priests.
Where are the Levitical priests today?

OK, so you're saying that Jesus fulfilled the terms of the OT contract and thus all clauses and subsections of said contract were rendered obsolete. They didn't disappear from the Law, but the Law is now just a historical artifact which no longer applies.

From that point of view, yes, stonings are as obsolete as opposition to abortion and gay marriage and there's no more command to perform them than there are commands to avoid worshiping another god before Jehovah or coveting your neighbor's ass.

 

[wilson]

So...........
Back to my question:
"Can you show me, from ANY bible, where Christians were commanded to stone anyone for ANY reason?"
Another thing:
Stonings were not an arbitrary matter. There had to be a trial and the stoning had to be presided over by the Levitical priests.
Where are the Levitical priests today?

It's for saying things like this that makes people fear Christians and think they're evil. As long as you try to defend or gloss over the Biblical evil you come across as evil.

Instead of a rebuttal, you offer a criticism.
Try to deal with the subject at hand.

All of Tom's examples are examples of Biblical passages where Christians are commanded to stone people for a variety of reasons

You say that but offer no evidence; only your opinion. The request is simple. Show me ONE text from the Christian Greek Scriptures that commands any Christian to stone anyone for any reason. I said the Mosaic Law applied only to ancient Israel and here's a text to prove it:
“. . .He declares his word to Jacob, His regulations and judgments to Israel. 20 He has not done so with any other nation; They know nothing about his judgments.. . .” (Psalm 147:19, 20)

I don't think the correct priestly headgear gives anybody the right to sentence people to death.

This has nothing to do with what YOU think. The right was given to the priests by the maker of the Laws. The Israelites swore an oath to obey the laws and had to be disciplined when they refused to keep it.
If the "headgear" was a military helmet and a sworn soldier willfully went against military protocol, would it then be OK to try him for treason?

Especially for things that should't be crimes to begin with.

Now you set yourself up as arbiter of good laws and bad laws. How can you tell the difference? Your feelings?

Laws should be managed within the legal establishment, and that needs to be separate from any religious institution. Or you get corruption.

That is irrelevant.
You have not shown any text that commands Christians to stone anyone for any reason.

 

[blastula]

And if God only commanded the Jews, and not Christians, to stone people, it's all good then. Praise Him!

 

[funinspace]

And if God only commanded the Jews, and not Christians, to stone people, it's all good then. Praise Him!

Fortunately for the sinning Jews, the Jewish religion did get more than a couple updates...Praise Yahweh!

 

[wilson]

I just mentioned two examples of Biblical evil. But there's loads of it. Among the worst is that it encourages passivity under political oppression. It doesn't argue some "picking your battles" type argument. Nope. This is just all out acceptance of dictatorship. It encourages obedience to a king no matter what. That's evil. It's a total focus on the "next life". I'm sorry, but evil rulers need to be removed. A bad ruler mustn't be allowed to cling to power.

And slavery. I understand that in the ancient world slavery was common, and completely normalised to the authors of the Bible. That doesn't make it less evil in today's world. The fact that Christians still cling to the Bible and claim it as a moral guidance is deeply deeply troubling. Yes, evil.

It goes on. The Bible is full of attempts to justify evil. I find the notion that anybody thinks that book is anything but nice inspiration, in parts, abhorrent.

Out of love for his child, a father administers discipline. To the kid, that discipline is evil.
I don't think you know what evil is.
Will you define it, please?
Remember, there are people who think that nothing is evil, that nothing is morally wrong or bad, no malevolent spirits, etc; so your definition would have to take these things into consideration.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Remember, there are people who think that nothing is evil, that nothing is morally wrong or bad, no malevolent spirits, etc; so your definition would have to take these things into consideration.

Oh,. poppycock. Aside from the fact that this is a demand for definition from someone who's refused to define 'spiritual' more than once,
that would mean that we would ALSO have to take into consideration people who believe that there ARE malevolent spirits, and once you start catering to those lunatics, you lose all consistency in the language.

 

[Lion IRC]

The premiss of this whole stoning/Sabbath fake 'gotcha' is that Christians today are expected to adhere to specific laws given for a very specific purpose to the ancient Israelites. (From the time before Messiah)
But according to this premiss if I see Jesus working (healing folks) on the Sabbath I'm supposed to stone Him.