What does a minimum wage hike have to do with COVID relief?

[ZiprHead]

You guys never cease to astound! When discussing "What does a minimum wage hike have to do with COVID relief?"^* which wage hike will NOT be enacted as part of the final bill, it is off-limits to compare with the decision on FBI HQ because that was NOT enacted as part of the final bill. Do you guys even think before posting?

(Could this be a dialect problem? I've linked the first NOT to an audio of "Not" with a U.K. accent; the second to U.S. pronunciation.)

^* The minimum wage hike has little to do with Covid relief, but has SOME connection: it helps bring financial relief to Americans, some of whom have been financially stung by the pandemic. The FBI, otoh, has NOTHING to do with it. — Or are Hannity and Jones still pushing ther meme that Covid was a plot by Antifa, George Soros and/or Stormy Daniels and we need to get the FBI cracking on that?

There's something irritating about the TFT quote system. For some reason, quotes from someone else get attributed to me.

I didn't post any of that.
Tom

It says Swamerdami in the quote for me.

 

[TomC]

Lol, why should I? I don't even see how what you're proposing would support Tom's claim, which he should be defending himself anyway.

What claim?
That I don't think Republicans started it, exactly?

Is that what you're talking about?
Tom

 

[TomC]

There's something irritating about the TFT quote system. For some reason, quotes from someone else get attributed to me.

I didn't post any of that.
Tom

It says Swamerdami in the quote for me.

In this exact post, I'm in the top slot as poster.
Tom

ETA ~Even in my quote of your post, I'm still the top, right below you. And I didn't post any of it. ~

 

[KeepTalking]

There's something irritating about the TFT quote system. For some reason, quotes from someone else get attributed to me.

I didn't post any of that.
Tom

It says Swamerdami in the quote for me.

In this exact post, I'm in the top slot as poster.
Tom

ETA ~Even in my quote of your post, I'm still the top, right below you. And I didn't post any of it. ~

I'm confused, everything seems right to me.

What browser are you using?

 

[TomC]

In this exact post, I'm in the top slot as poster.
Tom

ETA ~Even in my quote of your post, I'm still the top, right below you. And I didn't post any of it. ~

I'm confused, everything seems right to me.

What browser are you using?

Chrome.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

There's something irritating about the TFT quote system. For some reason, quotes from someone else get attributed to me.

I didn't post any of that.
Tom

It says Swamerdami in the quote for me.

In this exact post, I'm in the top slot as poster.
Tom

ETA ~Even in my quote of your post, I'm still the top, right below you. And I didn't post any of it. ~

Can you screen shot it, please?

 

[TomC]

In this exact post, I'm in the top slot as poster.
Tom

ETA ~Even in my quote of your post, I'm still the top, right below you. And I didn't post any of it. ~

Can you screen shot it, please?

I'm trying. I think I'm sending you something from my gallery.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

In this exact post, I'm in the top slot as poster.
Tom

ETA ~Even in my quote of your post, I'm still the top, right below you. And I didn't post any of it. ~

Can you screen shot it, please?

I'm trying. I think I'm sending you something from my gallery.
Tom

The nested quote still says originally posted by swamerdami. Your words are are quoted around it. I'm thinking you're just misunderstanding what you are seeing.

Here is a screen shot of post number 41



Can you do a screenshot of post number 35, swammer's original post that says you posted it?

 

[KeepTalking]

In this exact post, I'm in the top slot as poster.
Tom

ETA ~Even in my quote of your post, I'm still the top, right below you. And I didn't post any of it. ~

Can you screen shot it, please?

I'm trying. I think I'm sending you something from my gallery.
Tom

That's the way the board works, it is nesting the quotes. The presentation is likely odd because you are viewing it on a phone screen, but for those of us viewing on a pc, it is pretty easy to follow.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

$15 /hr doesn't provide any sort of ALL CAP support. It just moves minimum wage into the 21st century. I haven't worked for less than $15 an hour in over 20 years!

The minimum wage was implemented to keep blacks out of the labor force.

Even presuming this is true, how is that applicable today?

Raising the minimum wage is about keeping more of them out of the labor force.

Today on "The Misconception That Only Blacks Make Less Than $15 An Hour..." we look into maybe broadening the things we discuss on our show.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Not according to this site https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164635. Do you have a link to support your claim of intent? Or are you confusing intent with outcome?

Google hit #1:

https://mises.org/wire/racist-history-minimum-wage-laws

Hit #2:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carrie...ivations-behind-minimum-wage/?sh=f23a84f11bbd

I've pointed this out before, you just don't want to accept it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm trying. I think I'm sending you something from my gallery.
Tom

That's the way the board works, it is nesting the quotes. The presentation is likely odd because you are viewing it on a phone screen, but for those of us viewing on a pc, it is pretty easy to follow.

Yeah, the quotes get pretty wonky looking when the screen is too narrow. They are accurate but hard to follow.

I have never seen misattributed words other than someone making a mistake breaking up a quote--an easy mistake to make when dealing with multiply-nested quotes. The quote-matching watchdog catches most such mistakes but it won't catch it if you misplace a [quote] or [/quote] tag.

 

[ZiprHead]

Not according to this site https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164635. Do you have a link to support your claim of intent? Or are you confusing intent with outcome?

Google hit #1:

https://mises.org/wire/racist-history-minimum-wage-laws

Hit #2:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carrie...ivations-behind-minimum-wage/?sh=f23a84f11bbd

I've pointed this out before, you just don't want to accept it.

Neither of those articles show clear intent.

And even if so, why should that intent be applied tot today?

 

[Derec]

well, this is what republicans have been doing since the early 80s,

Textbook tu qoque fallacy.

and so conservatives are the ones who set the stage here - they have used any and every trick they could to strong arm and bully the government to their will, while the democrats have sat back and passively let toxic authoritarian libertarianism infest this country.

Authoritarian libertarianism is an oxymoron.
And just because Republicans may do bad things does not mean Democrats should do the same.

this is the republican's fault - they set the precedent of stuffing unrelated bills with riders for their pet causes. they set the standard of never compromising and making every single bill into a political theater stunt.

This is not the backseat of the family car. I don't care who started it. It's wrong either way.

if you don't like things like this, i would suggest you stop voting for republicans.

I didn't. I voted for Biden. For Obama twice. In 2016 I could not stomach either the Giant Douche or the Turd Sandwich (you decide which is a metaphor for which) so I cast a protest vote for the guy who didn't know what Aleppo was and yet was leagues better than either major party offering.

 

[Derec]

I would add that suddenly the right wing cares about 'riders' and unrelated things in legislation. It's not like their motives aren't blatantly obvious to anyone with two brain cells, but that means most right wingers won't notice.

It's more like suddenly people on this forum are fine with them.

 

[Derec]

Is the location of FBI HQ related to Covid stimulus? Whataboutit?

The lefty responses in this entire thread have been one giant exercise in whataboutism, but you actually hung a lampshade on it.

 

[Derec]

COVID-19, like most diseases, hits those in poverty harder, because of reduced access to preventative medical care. Increasing the minimum wage to a living wage reduces the number of people in poverty, therefor, it will lessen the impact of the next pandemic, just as it would have lessened the impact of COVID-19 due to a reduction in the number of people below the poverty line.

That is a pretty tortured connection, even you must admit.
If it included funding for a CDC Emerging Diseases department or to stockpile PPE or something, I could see it. But paying burger flippers $15 is not going to shield them from catching the next superbug.

 

[Bomb#20]

COVID-19, like most diseases, hits those in poverty harder, because of reduced access to preventative medical care. Increasing the minimum wage to a living wage reduces the number of people in poverty, therefor, it will lessen the impact of the next pandemic, just as it would have lessened the impact of COVID-19 due to a reduction in the number of people below the poverty line.

That is a pretty tortured connection, even you must admit.
If it included funding for a CDC Emerging Diseases department or to stockpile PPE or something, I could see it. But paying burger flippers $15 is not going to shield them from catching the next superbug.

No, but kicking them out of the kitchen altogether will stop them from passing the infection on to one another.

Raising minimum wage to $15 would cost 1.4 million jobs, CBO says

 

[Bomb#20]

this is the republican's fault - they set the precedent of stuffing unrelated bills with riders for their pet causes.

Both parties do this all the time. Where are you getting that the GOP started this?

It's clear that the GOP didn't start it -- this follows axiomatically from the fact that the Democratic Party is decades older. It's silly for our current two parties to blame each other for something the Federalists started.

 

[Swammerdami]

It's clear that the GOP didn't start it -- this follows axiomatically from the fact that the Democratic Party is decades older. It's silly for our current two parties to blame each other for something the Federalists started.

Maybe. Do you have any cite for this?