fromderinside
Mazzie Daius
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Given conditions at t = 0, thereafter everything occurs IAW natural law. What's so hard comprehend. Bottom up requirement for evaluating complex things. Complexity doesn't permit analysis from top down re causality. Top down analysis may serve to explain why such complexity appears, why the complex thing has particular behavior, but that is not the same as explaining it's causality.
Senses are only partly responsive to external events ergo one has no way of knowing what conditions are at t=0, much less the way things are there after. So what it comes down to are what are actual choices re t=0 and what are the perceived choices re t=0. I've already conceded given man isn't privy to all nature he is free relative to information available to choose freely. However from the vantagepoint of everything being known view he is behaving IAW natural law. One isn't privy to sufficient information to realize one is behaving IAC laws of nature.
As for consciousness I'm on record as saying awareness, consciousness, self are subjective umbrellas primarily there because they work with Descartes view of "I" being something other than the being itself. They don't actually exist. They serve as cover for failure to understand the relationship between evolutionary law (fitness) re life and the physical activity of the brain.
We know there are many solutions evolved as nervous construction and activity to the same detected conditions in the world. The cerebellum gives testimony to this state of affairs. Similarities between verbal behavior and physical behavior testify to this viewpoint as well. That is to say the same brain processes may underlie both.
As for reality we can't connect with it except through experimentation and we aren't capable of experimenting with everything in the world so we can't arrive at reality by that means either. However it is interesting that electrons and other particles are conditioned by interactions with another particle of the same sort at distance and time and that families of physical things exhibit symmetry.
Senses are only partly responsive to external events ergo one has no way of knowing what conditions are at t=0, much less the way things are there after. So what it comes down to are what are actual choices re t=0 and what are the perceived choices re t=0. I've already conceded given man isn't privy to all nature he is free relative to information available to choose freely. However from the vantagepoint of everything being known view he is behaving IAW natural law. One isn't privy to sufficient information to realize one is behaving IAC laws of nature.
As for consciousness I'm on record as saying awareness, consciousness, self are subjective umbrellas primarily there because they work with Descartes view of "I" being something other than the being itself. They don't actually exist. They serve as cover for failure to understand the relationship between evolutionary law (fitness) re life and the physical activity of the brain.
We know there are many solutions evolved as nervous construction and activity to the same detected conditions in the world. The cerebellum gives testimony to this state of affairs. Similarities between verbal behavior and physical behavior testify to this viewpoint as well. That is to say the same brain processes may underlie both.
As for reality we can't connect with it except through experimentation and we aren't capable of experimenting with everything in the world so we can't arrive at reality by that means either. However it is interesting that electrons and other particles are conditioned by interactions with another particle of the same sort at distance and time and that families of physical things exhibit symmetry.
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